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Fidelitious posted:The blame lies pretty heavily on Crytek. The last statement CIG ever made regarding access to SQ42 is that it would be through the Star Citizen client, thus not breaking any terms of the GLA. That statement was publicly available, so it was pretty weird for Crytek to try and sue them over their release of SQ42 when I've checked and it's not in my correspondence with CIG when I got my refund (maybe because I've left early enough?) but I think I recall e-mails from CIG warning the leavers that after voiding their account which included both SC and SQ42, they would need to buy SQ54 separately when they come crawling back... Was that not a thing? Maybe it was only reported in the "press" and I'm misremembering?
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Jan 20, 2020 19:45
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peter gabriel posted:Latest update on that, had a meeting with my surgeon dude a few days ago, it's all systems go for the operation, so just waiting for a date now. Heh, ask them for the post x-ray. The surgeon went nuts drilling screws into my shoulder. You'll probably be able to pick up shortwave radio with your setup.
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Jan 20, 2020 19:46
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shrach posted:Question for people who still think there's some gotcha in the engine swap and Crytek have a good case relating to it CIG switched to Lumberyard, only it didn't really switch to it and continued working with CryEngine 3.7 fork. So, yeah, Amazon says "we had the right to re-sell the historic versions of CryEngine" but is it so? Did Crytek just sell off their rights to their own engine to Amazon to do whatever with it? Is this... normal? It doesn't sound normal. Maybe Crytek hosed up with the contract or they didn't anticipate how it could backfire. I mean they are the ones that sued CIG for doing just that. Switching to Lumberyard and still using their code instead of Amazon's new fork / code.
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Jan 20, 2020 19:53
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peter gabriel posted:Latest update on that, had a meeting with my surgeon dude a few days ago, it's all systems go for the operation, so just waiting for a date now. Best of all luck with the operation man. And a quick recovery!
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Jan 20, 2020 19:55
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Colostomy Bag posted:Heh, ask them for the post x-ray. The surgeon went nuts drilling screws into my shoulder. You'll probably be able to pick up shortwave radio with your setup. Titanium is a terrible radio wave conductor unfortunately.
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Jan 20, 2020 19:55
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ITT: we convince pgabz to get a brass skull plate and revive steampunk
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Jan 20, 2020 20:01
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Beet Wagon posted:ITT: we convince pgabz to get a brass skull plate and revive steampunk OOOH, can we also have a boiler/furnace installed to power his cochlear implant?
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Jan 20, 2020 20:03
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Thanks all you rock  It'll be a while but I am in the queue or something now, I'll be press studding all kinds of crap to my head no doubt, I am thinking of balloons or kites or something
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Jan 20, 2020 20:10
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AbstractNapper posted:I mean...
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Jan 20, 2020 20:13
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shrach posted:Question for people who still think there's some gotcha in the engine swap and Crytek have a good case relating to it. It's what isn't in Lumberyard code that is in Cryengines. Easy to identify stuff like Scaleform is in Cryengines but if you look on all the builds of Lumberyard, it's absent and it's guaranteed there's other stuff that prevents "we switched in 2 days" statement from being true. The question can now be posed "did CIG go get a license for that bit of software?" because the debate is are they still using Cryengines things when they shouldn't. Does Amazon have all the previous builds of Cryengine and everything attached to them, probably but unless they themselves released it via their builds of the engine, then it's still off limits unless you go pay for it through a 3rd party.
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Jan 20, 2020 20:16
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Songbearer posted:If Common Knowledge had the same weight as evidence nobody would have funded Star Citizen If common sense was common the world would have been a better place. But it's not.
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stingtwo posted:It's what isn't in Lumberyard code that is in Cryengines. Easy to identify stuff like Scaleform is in Cryengines but if you look on all the builds of Lumberyard, it's absent and it's guaranteed there's other stuff that prevents "we switched in 2 days" statement from being true. The question can now be posed "did CIG go get a license for that bit of software?" because the debate is are they still using Cryengines things when they shouldn't. One of us must be missing something because Amazon literally said that they licensed to CIG the exact old versions of CryEngine to that which they licensed from Crytek. Lumberyard might as well be irrelevant, no one (CIG/Amazon/Crytek) is claiming CIG are actually using anything other than an old version of CryEngine. In my opinion, Chris Roberts' mouth is not a trusted source of information, the "we switched in 2 days" was Chris being allowed to talk when he shouldn't. Except now Chris Roberts never talks and we get less humour out of it...
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Jan 20, 2020 20:32
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$50 million for a full game engine is relatively cheap when you consider a game engine used to cost 1-3million PER game, I think even Ubisoft payed Crytek millions over a decade ago for the rights to use build off Cryengine for their own in-house engine that became Dunia, so the cost is pretty cheap to open it up to everyone.
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Jan 20, 2020 20:32
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:Keep your hands off Irony being the tiny goblin character is chris roberts in some ways.
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DandyLion posted:Titanium is a terrible radio wave conductor unfortunately. Look at this fudster.
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Jan 20, 2020 20:44
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shrach posted:Question for people who still think there's some gotcha in the engine swap and Crytek have a good case relating to it. to me that feels like something that should not be possible. Amazon doesnt want it because that just allows ppl to license their multiplayer games with cryengine license if they dont use lumberyard's features.(by using older version of lumberyard) Crytek doesnt obviously want it either because it lets ppl skip 5% royalty on single player games by going to amazon license instead. That is for all those 10 games that are still being developed using lumberyard/cryengine (new world, hunt showdown, and all the other longer term projects )
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Jan 20, 2020 20:44
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And more to the point that interests the end consumer / gamer and/or backer. (because gently caress if will try and find more reason to Crytek's actions, screw them) How misleading is the "built with Lumberyard" tag for Star Citizen in the Amazon's official Lumberyard page?
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Jan 20, 2020 20:53
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peter gabriel posted:Thanks all you rock i hope it all works out for you in the best possible way dancing cat man
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Jan 20, 2020 20:55
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The whole fun about space court was always that Discovery or eventually the court case would dig up stuff that the most open development ever kept hidden because well, they would not work well as marketing or it would expose their incompetence / scam further. We may have known about the fake engine switch, and trust me, if you have some development experience what happened is hilarious -- yea, so is their use of "refactoring", etc. or their first hellish Gantt charts but imagine a higher degree of hilarity. But that poo poo being admitted by Amazon (in the e-mail) and being used by CIG to prove they are within their rights (while having lied to their own backers about what they did) in a legal document, two years after the "switch" and into the legal drama... this is what space court was supposed to bring all along 
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Jan 20, 2020 21:05
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Fidelitious posted:The last statement CIG ever made regarding access to SQ42 is that it would be through the Star Citizen client, thus not breaking any terms of the GLA. That statement was publicly available, so it was pretty weird for Crytek to try and sue them over their release of SQ42 when Cry got to discovery in part by arguing that selling & marketing SQ42 solo was enough to break the contract. So it’s not like it was a totally sketchy position or a waste of time exactly. CIG naturally have focused mainly on the rest of the clause, regarding actual delivery (because they like to keep us entertained). But it was still up for debate in court. quote:Also, CIG has already paid all the costs required by their contract. They made a payment to get the license as well as including Crytek's work on the original prototype/demo thing. They also gave all their patches to the engine back to Crytek (eventually). As far as we know, CIG owes nothing to Crytek at this point. The patch stuff came post legal action, so they get legal points there. Which may help any dismissal get ‘without prejudice’ status. So there’s that. (And I want to see jury selection, Agent’s margarita posting, and at least one more giant redaction. Stop trampling on my dreams XD) Pixelate fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jan 20, 2020 |
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shrach posted:Question for people who still think there's some gotcha in the engine swap and Crytek have a good case relating to it. quote:I don't understand what anyone who thinks there's some gotcha moment in the headers or whatever, actually thinks should have happened and how there can be a gotcha? I just don't even know where an alternative to CryEngine-source3.7.zip could come from that people still think CIG should have used to swap to? I dunno about ‘good case’, I’m just not sure it’s a dead case just yet. Here are my massive guesses as to why... * Cry says the GLA was never terminated. The grounds for termination were pretty high. CIG don’t seem to have argued back at all on this. I’m guessing the GLA is still in effect (at least in theory). * Code audits seem to be able to tease out some form of history timeline. (I’m damned if I’m going to read all the Linux court cases, but that’s the gist I’m getting). Assuming the current code hasn’t been re-written wholesale, then there’ll be some code in use from the pre-Lumberyard times. That, I’m extra-guessing, would keep the GLA in play. (Potentially up to any SQ42 launch). e: The Amazon license to use that same CE codebase doesn’t necessarily supersede the Cry license. They’re possibly both in effect. I don’t know if any of the above is true. But it seems to be what Cry’s argument is. And these bits also got over the line to the discovery stage. Plus there seems to be some precedent for the audit stuff. So who knows 
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Dark Off posted:to me that feels like something that should not be possible. CIG does add a bit more and mentions "rights which Amazon granted in order to minimize the engineering time it would take CIG to migrate to Lumberyard." The implication is clear, that CIG did get a special licence from Amazon and part of the deal is that CIG are probably supposed to switch over to the actual Lumberyard engine. The fact that they haven't actually switched to Lumberyard yet feels like that is something between CIG and Amazon that we may get to look forward to on another day. AbstractNapper posted:And more to the point that interests the end consumer / gamer and/or backer. (because gently caress if will try and find more reason to Crytek's actions, screw them)
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Jan 20, 2020 21:13
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He’s pretty invested in SC isn’t he? From what I’ve seen nearly all his videos slant in favor of CIG.
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Jan 20, 2020 21:15
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MarcusSA posted:He’s pretty invested in SC isn’t he? From what I’ve seen nearly all his videos slant in favor of CIG.  
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Jan 20, 2020 21:49
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Ok yeah that’s what I thought. Honestly he’s a lawyer and a SC fan so I really don’t trust anything that comes out of the dudes mouth.
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Jan 20, 2020 21:53
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Did this just happen? Kinda reads like a joke.
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Jan 20, 2020 22:20
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I'm still kinda divided on the trial. While I'm rooting for Crytek, I wouldn't mind if they were cryRekt. CR would lose a golden way out of this mess and the poo poo show would continue for longer.
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Jan 20, 2020 22:30
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I'd much rather CIG continue to shamble on eventually releasing some kind of SQ42 which gets reviewed poorly and Chris can't blame anyone but himself.
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Jan 20, 2020 22:38
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Which one of you bastards is part of the new Moderators team on starcitizen_refunds? Before I submit my entry request, I'd like to know which goon I'm dealing with...
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Jan 20, 2020 22:45
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mjotto posted:Which one of you bastards is part of the new Moderators team on starcitizen_refunds? Before I submit my entry request, I'd like to know which goon I'm dealing with... To gain entry, first bring anime to the cockroach king
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AbstractNapper posted:
It's certainly possible: a licensor (Crytek) can grant his licensee (Amazon) the right to license the product to third parties (CI-not-G). Like everything regarding IP and contracts, the contract must address the scope and limits of this right to sub-license. For instance, the original licensor might be entitled to a fee on every sub-license, or the licensee might be allowed to sub-license only to a specific customer or geographic market, etc. And again, like everything regarding IP and contracts, if your licensing agreement was drafted without addressing those issues, that will be up to the court to interpret if you did or not. Of course you can also explicitly have granted your licensee the right to freely sub-license your product because you were starving for cash. Until we see what is in Crytek/Amazon agreement, we'll never know. People tend to forget that the Yerli brothers are almost as exceptional as Croberts. Megalobster fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 20, 2020 |
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Jan 20, 2020 22:51
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Did this just happen? I'm trying to figure out what's going on, today has been loving wild
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Jan 20, 2020 23:05
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Jan 20, 2020 23:11
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https://youtu.be/Bw-opH4f8Qg Man, the more videos I watch about MS Flight Simulator the more amazing it seems. Like this is the actual cutting edge of game development, not shoving a bunch of empty and lifeless planets into a broken CryEngine mod from 2011. It has all of the fiddly details that any tedious game dad sim junkie could want, it even has fully simulated cockpit controls and gauges; all combined with a gorgeous 1:1 recreation of Earth with terabytes of real world satellite data streamed from Microsoft’s servers. And you don’t have to spend $1000 for a single airplane.
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Jan 20, 2020 23:22
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Did this just happen? the new stargur fiasco i would guess  Citizens nuking the only resource they could turn to if RSI/CIG went bankrupt . This is like repeat of that bot that scoured SA thread for pic's and mass reported em to imgur. Taking down tons of citizen submitted pictures in process and even more cute cat pictures.
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Jan 20, 2020 23:27
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Beet Wagon posted:I'm trying to figure out what's going on, today has been loving wild Are we in trouble for these "hate crimes" I mean do I need to get a lawyer? I hear Ortwyn is amazing.
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Jan 20, 2020 23:33
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Did this just happen? CRIMES AGAINST VIDEO GAMES
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Did this just happen? #FreeBORTWAGGEN
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