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The Walrus posted:was there ever any official word of wtf Macklunkey was put in the film? the most plausible explanations I've heard are
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It was a non-issue to begin with. Greedo was obviously going to kill him. We knew that, Han knew that. Even in the original theatrical version it's not as though he just murders him for no reason.
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Jan 20, 2020 21:18
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christmas boots posted:It was a non-issue to begin with. Greedo was obviously going to kill him. We knew that, Han knew that. Even in the original theatrical version it's not as though he just murders him for no reason.
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Jan 20, 2020 21:21
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yeah even as a little kid you understood ugly green man wanted to kill the cool guy also did they ever explain who the knights of ren are? like kylo's jedi friends? who he just up and kills?
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Jan 20, 2020 21:22
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Toplowtech posted:Lucas is turning into the standard good guy/bad guy/no moral ambiguity/thing of the children! dumb American as he gets older and the whole thing behind his previous "GREEDO shot first" attempt is that he wants Solo to be a pure hero without any trace of gray. Of course the whole "Han Shot first" protest against his first attempt pissed him off so he decided to try if he could have greedo say "MA KLUNKY" which is Huttese(Jaba Language) for "I will kill you" before Solo shot first and BOOM suddenly Solo is morally justified for shooting first. Lucas walks around in a “Han shot first” t-shirt, he’s clearly just toying with the diehard purists at this point.
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Jan 20, 2020 21:27
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Could it simply be that Lucas has severe undiagnosed schizophrenia?
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Jan 20, 2020 21:34
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Burns posted:Could it simply be that Lucas has severe undiagnosed schizophrenia?
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Toplowtech posted:Or he is getting more catholic as he grows older. What is his force planet family? The father, the (angry) son and the (now holy ghostly) sister. doubt it.. it's more a massive sense of self importance & perhaps now he's old, a slight touch of dementia.. either way.. the latest films are still poo poo 
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Jan 20, 2020 22:05
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Burns posted:Could it simply be that Lucas has severe undiagnosed schizophrenia? I think he's just has a mix of bad ideas and the spirit of a troll. I remember the infamous story about The Force Unleashed where he suggested the use of Darth Icky and Darth Insanius and no one could tell if he was being serious or not.
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Jan 20, 2020 22:07
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Savage Oppress
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Chomp8645 posted:Savage Oppress
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I would have liked to have seen dark lord cocky bastard Kylo Ren
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appropriatemetaphor posted:also did they ever explain who the knights of ren are? like kylo's jedi friends? who he just up and kills? Basically there was a darkside user that followed the Ren (name for his lighsaber / maybe a sith word) and his adherents served as his knights. Ben defeats him and takes the group over. Then he chooses Kylo as his name (apparently discarding bits from sKYwalker/soLO) to show how badass he is.
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FilthyImp posted:chooses Kylo as his name (apparently discarding bits from sKYwalker/soLO) to show how badass he is.
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Jan 20, 2020 22:31
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Good ol' Swolo Ren, thickest of Forceboi's.
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Moola posted:I would have liked to have seen dark lord cocky bastard Kylo Ren star crossed lovers Poe and Finn desperately trying to turn their best friend Rey away from the dark side instead here's the Emperor and Poe and Finn suddenly have girlfriends for uhhhh reasons 
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Jan 20, 2020 22:38
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I like the panel right below the Kylo's foot, clearly placed so that he could kick the poor schmuck who has to use it so he can get into his floating circle throne.
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SelenicMartian posted:So, it could have been Salo, Swallo, Soker, Loler, Wako or even Syko? Syko Ren would have been awesome
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Jan 20, 2020 22:57
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Toplowtech posted:I do agree but George stated multiple time he never wanted Han to shoot first. Hell, he changed the scene specially for that. I guess he is afraid the public is too stupid to understand the armed threatening green bug is dangerous and obviously armed Going by the insane reactions to the change, he was correct and they saw Han as someone he wasn't intended to be. If they had understood the characterization from the beginning, they would presumably not have cried historical revisionism over a simple clarification, however maclunky it may have been. Or maybe they would have. People also hated the 1981 re-release when they added "A New Hope" to the opening crawl to make the first film fit with the rest.
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Jan 20, 2020 23:06
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Toplowtech posted:I do agree but George stated multiple time he never wanted Han to shoot first. Hell, he changed the scene specially for that. I guess he is afraid the public is too stupid to understand the armed threatening green bug is dangerous and obviously armed The original 1976 script literally says "Suddenly the slimy alien disappears in a blinding flash of light. Han pulls his smoking gun from the beneath the table as the other patrons look on in bemused amazement." after the "I bet you have..." line. George Lucas can pretend otherwise all he wants in retrospect, but he totally intended for Han Solo to be an amoral murderous rear end in a top hat when he wrote the script. Which is fine. Characters are allowed to change and grow over the course of a story and that's a good thing!! Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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Jan 20, 2020 23:40
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“It was never my intention to make Han Solo look like a guy who only wants to look out for number one so I changed this scene.” *spends most of the rest of the film having Han Solo only looking out for number one unless forced to otherwise*
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FilthyImp posted:Then he chooses Kylo as his name (apparently discarding bits from sKYwalker/soLO) to show how badass he is. Probably a big fan of the pirate Kybo Ren from Star Wars: Droids. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gir_Kybo_Ren-Cha 
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Gee I wonder if changing Han's bloodthirsty morally grey into undercuts his return at the end?
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Is part of the reason Han shoots second because in the original cut of the movie the implication is that Jabba is planning to kill him whereas in the Special Edition the added Jabba scene shows that Jabba just wants to have a nice chat so Han shooting first is no longer a clear cut case of self defense?
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The green monster man was pointing a gun at him and threatening him with it. Han shooting first is absolutely an act of defense, him waiting to shoot doesn’t change that fact. What it does do though is make him a big ol softie which isn’t supported for the rest of the movie. At least not until the moment he returns to help a friend which was SUPPOSED to be a character moment and not “well of course this big ol softie would come back” Alternatively it just makes him loving stupid, like he didn’t realize that greedo was threatening him the whole time.
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porfiria posted:Is part of the reason Han shoots second because in the original cut of the movie the implication is that Jabba is planning to kill him whereas in the Special Edition the added Jabba scene shows that Jabba just wants to have a nice chat so Han shooting first is no longer a clear cut case of self defense? Sort-of. Han shoots first in the original because he’s a terrible smuggler in massive debt and, on top of that, Greedo the debt collector’s trying to extort his last few dollars. (Greedo’s lying about how angry Jabba is so that he can get the money for himself.) Greedo shoots first in the Special Editions because, with the new scene, Han is depicted as good at smuggling and not very desperate. He and Jabba are almost friends - but Jabba‘s a psychopath who sends an incompetent hitman as a joke. “Why’d you have to fry poor Greedo? Haw haw.” He’s just trying to gently caress with Han’s head.
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The UK megathread has some starwars chat going on & I thought the following is a great take on the films.Random Integer posted:The Star Wars sequels are cargo-cult film making. They imitate the shape and form of what they think a Star Wars is in order to make money appear. Random Integer is not wrong.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:The original 1976 script literally says "Suddenly the slimy alien disappears in a blinding flash of light. Han pulls his smoking gun from the beneath the table as the other patrons look on in bemused amazement." after the "I bet you have..." line. George Lucas can pretend otherwise all he wants in retrospect, but he totally intended for Han Solo to be an amoral murderous rear end in a top hat when he wrote the script. Which is fine. Characters are allowed to change and grow over the course of a story and that's a good thing!! In ANH, Vader wasn't Luke's father, and Luke and Leia weren't related. In ESB, Lucas came up with the idea that Vader WAS Luke's father instead of just KILLING Luke's father. In ROTJ, they took the "there is another" line and fit Leia into that. Even though this causes incest. For the prequels, there is literally video of Lucas sitting down with a blank sheet of paper and wishing he had a clue. For the postquels, some morons still imagine Lucas had a vision all along and if only JJ would ask him to help steer the ship. Some people are beyond saving. Gutcruncher posted:The green monster man was pointing a gun at him Seriously. A green monster man was pointing a gun at him you assholes christ why are you trying to do film theory here. Monster man shoot hero bad, hero shoot monster man good. If Hero also look like badass, doublegood. Man go back and remake movie change scene people already like real dumb. Tell man stop. Movie good. No change.
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Honestly people should read the novelization of the original star wars movie that came out the year before. One of the big differences is that the Emperor--described, not actually making an appearance--is portrayed as an easily manipulated puppet, with Tarkin and the Imperial bureaucracy actually being in charge. E: I think Lucas knew, in broad strokes, what he wanted to accomplish with the prequels. He wanted the fall of the Republic, the destruction of the Jedi, the rise of Palpatine, and the birth of Darth Vader. I'm not going to suggest that he had it plotted out in any more detail than that, but I still think that--despite being worse movies individually--the prequels hold together as an overarching story better because there was a specific status quo they were being written toward. christmas boots fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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christmas boots posted:Honestly people should read the novelization of the original star wars movie that came out the year before. One of the big differences is that the Emperor--described, not actually making an appearance--is portrayed as an easily manipulated puppet, with Tarkin and the Imperial bureaucracy actually being in charge. Being even semi-coherent puts them miles above the new trilogy story wise.
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christmas boots posted:I think he's just has a mix of bad ideas and the spirit of a troll. Hold up. Are you suggesting he's an SA goon?
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christmas boots posted:Honestly people should read the novelization of the original star wars movie that came out the year before. One of the big differences is that the Emperor--described, not actually making an appearance--is portrayed as an easily manipulated puppet, with Tarkin and the Imperial bureaucracy actually being in charge. The other big element that I think you can say was always there is that Palpatine presented himself as a reformer opposed to corporate interests but was in reality tied up with those same interests. This doesn’t come through in the OT at all, but it IS in the novel (albeit with the result that Palpatine is being run rather than running the show) and it’s the central point on which the plot of TPM hangs.
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Personally I think the biggest problem with the starwars is I've got old.. I loved starwars at 7, was pretty chuffed to see empire & return of the jedi was a couple years before I left school. All in all, a pretty good thing, similar to kids now with harry potter etc. If I was 7 again & started watching the new movies they'd be awesome.. Moaning about starwars is like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkCJDkG3fg
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Toplowtech posted:I do agree but George stated multiple time he never wanted Han to shoot first. Hell, he changed the scene specially for that. I guess he is afraid the public is too stupid to understand the armed threatening green bug is dangerous and obviously armed
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Saint Drogo posted:bear in mind anything Lucas says he originally intended (that isn't backed up by scripts, art or other people from the time) is total bullshit by default.
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Trainee PornStar posted:The UK megathread has some starwars chat going on & I thought the following is a great take on the films. 7 and 9, absolutely. 8 tried to do its own thing and break awat from cargo-culting the OT.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:7 and 9, absolutely. 8 tried to do its own thing and break awat from cargo-culting the OT. 8 is, just like 7 and 9, a rehash of the OT. Despite having had their big machine planet base in the last movie Imperial forces have the rebels on the run; they audaciously escape their base only just in time before it is smashed by the overpowering force of the enemy. The dark side warrior who leads the forces of evil now has a personal connection with the hero and relentlessly hunts them down to turn them to the dark side. The rebels are having difficulty getting away because their ship won’t go fast enough. The hero, a novice with a lightsaber, seeks out a remote, wet world where a crotchety old Jedi master is in hiding. The hero learns how to lift rocks with their mind and has visions of the dark side in a sinister cave there, before departing with their training incomplete to imprudently confront the dark warrior, who reveals the shocking secret of their parentage. The hero’s friends seek refuge from the forces of evil in a burgeoning city, but the swarthy scoundrel they encounter there sells them out to the bad guys out of profit motive. In the end the military victory of the bad guys is symbolically outweighed by the hero being reunited with their friends who help restore their bright-eyed hope for the future. the most “original” content in the movie, the Leia/Holdo/Poe plot, was the most half-assed and negatively received part of it
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Preaaaach
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And like the movie it's cribbing from, the best scenes are the ones where mentors are trolling their students
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B-b-b-but muh subversion
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