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Mr SuperAwesome posted:you will end up writing lots of YAML. its not necessarily a bad thing. devops/SRE money is also pretty good these days, esp compared to dev roles (ive seen people paying significantly more). quote:what sort of on-call pay is considered reasonable? i get ~1 day's pay for doing 1 (week-long) shift of on-call. it sure doesn't feel like much 1) 30-minute expected response time (as in, within 30 minutes you're in front of a working computer/internet starting to work on the problem). Pay is 1/3 of an hour of comp-time for every non-business hour you're oncall. Typically done in a continuous (24 h/day) multi-day shift, with <1 page per day. 2) 5-minute expected response time (ie no swimming or going to the movies without someone to cover). Pay is 2/3 of an hour. Typically done in a series of 12 hour shifts with a second team in another time zone handling the overnight. ~2 pages per shift; any more and the service is considered unhealthy. A minimum of 6-8 people per time zone are required, meaning you'll go oncall a few days once every few weeks, or for a whole week once every other month. Comp-time can be converted to cash or bonus vacation days. For both tier 1 and 2 a single weekend day spent oncall = 8 hours of comp time, or an entire vacation day. I love oncall and try to max it out (80 hours comp time == 2 weeks bonus vacation/pay, every quarter) Most companies are far less reasonable than this though. Make sure they tell you what sort of oncall incentive is offered.
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am i understanding you're paid less for being on call, or is it pay in addition?
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that sounds pretty reasonable i get ~1/15th of my hourly pay for on call, pretty comparable to your first scenario, so lmao owned i guess oh and our rotations are way worse because we are understaffed!
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Boiled Water posted:am i understanding you're paid less for being on call, or is it pay in addition? On-call pay is in addition to your regular salary, at least for the hours where you're not otherwise at work. For the hours where you are at work, I'm not sure whether you still get something extra or if it's just considered part of your regular duties. I haven't been on-call in half a decade.
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I never got paid extra for on-call, but the job's base salary is high enough that I don't really complain.
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jesus WEP posted:how common is it for devs to be expected to provide 24/7 support on their product I used to manage a team that supported software at GE Healthcare used 24x7 by hospitals, so about as 24x7 as it gets how it worked there was there would be support associates on call for 2nd and 3rd shift. when a call came in, if the support associate couldn’t solve it they would reach out to me, and I would coordinate appropriate resources. sometimes it was the hospitals implementation person, sometimes it was a higher-up support associate, like an architect, sometimes it was a developer, really depended on the situation. so, if the issue was deemed to be serious enough that it needed a fix NOW, or much more often, someone to review code NOW so that support could determine if this was a legit bug or something client-side, then engineers would be brought in to do so, any time of day or night at GE Healthcare our support associates got a base oncall pay rate, then a per-call fixed amount, then a 1.5x rate that kicked in If they were on the call for more than an hour. so, what I’m saying is yeah, depending on the software you make, it is very normal for devs to be oncall. a friend of mine is a software dev, works for a financial bigco and supports their legacy cobol software. another 24x7 gig. random fart apps? tell them to gently caress off, no oncall. mission critical apps used by 24x7 operations? yeah, devs are oncall Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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but what if someone doesn’t get their Yo???
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missile defense system yo?
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welp just got news that i didn’t get it. as soon as the tech interview started i knew i was on thin ice because he was asking google-style brain teasers and spring batch trivia. for a nosql job. feedback was that my personal skills were top notch and what they wanted to hire me on but my tech skills, ‘didn’t go deep enough’ interviewing is garbage
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:what sort of on-call pay is considered reasonable? i get ~1 day's pay for doing 1 (week-long) shift of on-call. it sure doesn't feel like much I don't know, my career generally doesn't require it, which was by design. I just know that people on-call at my job get it, and all say that it adds up if you're on call a lot and that it makes it worth it for them. as for your specific situation, I'd generally think that your rate is fine if they give you more if you actually get paged. otherwise it wouldn't be good for me at all. everybody's different though 🤷♀️ e: I work at google, so shadowhawk's details above are what's setting the happiness levels Achmed Jones fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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man i’m gonna be upset about this at least for the rest of the week. all three competitors that i interviewed with were all several rounds of getting incredibly strong feedback and essentially signaling to me that i was a shoe-in until the second-to-last interview where someone would thumbs down for extremely arbitrary reasons. i know that’s the risk you run with smaller start ups but going 0-for-3 when it was my ticket out from being slow walked on my current underpayment situation kind of hurts. feels bad man. now i’m in the uncomfortable position of making it clear i was unhappy about my pay to my boss and now over half a year later still haven’t left so they know they don’t have to do much to keep me here. loving hell
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poo poo rex, that sucks. I'm sorry man
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i mean i’m still in a good situation overall. i’m highly paid for pittsburgh and my job is pretty alright. it’s just the knowledge that i’m making 20-30% under my peers, including those a level below me, is pretty demotivating. i’ll survive. just gonna be upset for a few days about it
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i felt like the convo was heading south after the riddle & spring batch question so i tried to steer it towards all my experience in, you know, building actual mission-critical database clusters and all of the insane details you have to be aware of to prevent them from spontaneously bursting into flames. nope. you didn’t know spring batch when you never loving claimed to while interviewing with a nosql company. fail. interviewing is garbage
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I used to manage a team that supported software at GE Healthcare used 24x7 by hospitals, so about as 24x7 as it gets i am on call as a professional dev but our team is big enough that i only have to do it for 1 week at a time every few weeks
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PIZZA.BAT posted:man i’m gonna be upset about this at least for the rest of the week. all three competitors that i interviewed with were all several rounds of getting incredibly strong feedback and essentially signaling to me that i was a shoe-in until the second-to-last interview where someone would thumbs down for extremely arbitrary reasons. i know that’s the risk you run with smaller start ups but going 0-for-3 when it was my ticket out from being slow walked on my current underpayment situation kind of hurts. feels bad man. i feel the same way dude, felt great through a few recent interviews at a couple places and was turned down for the tech skills for arbitrary reasons. some places really want you to solve the problems completely, some places really only care about the process and don't care if you finish it, and there's no way to know which is which to calibrate yourself. i also only got a 2% raise at my current which is laughable considering i know work i have personally completed in a single recent quarter has netted the company an extra several hundred thousand a year in increased revenue. thanks for making us many times over your salary. here's an extra ~$2,500
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sorry pizza.bat that sounds incredibly lovely. interviewing is already a game of roulette just to get spoken to so its extra demoralizing to get the shaft for no good reason. thanks for everyone who responded to my  ive read the chome sre book a while back. gonna check out some more devops literature and maybe get an aws cert in the mean time. by then itll be graduation / decision time. automating scripts and a yaml can be pretty fun, but ultimately i think itll come down to how much original code and to what complexity i get to write. realistically i do not see myself having a lot of time for independent dev projects after graduation cause ~reasons~
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what’s the word for a secret test where someone is checking to see if you belong to their ‘in’ group? it’s at the tip of my tongue but i can’t remember
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PIZZA.BAT posted:what’s the word for a secret test where someone is checking to see if you belong to their ‘in’ group? it’s at the tip of my tongue but i can’t remember dogwhistle? :\
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a cyberpunk goose posted:i am on call as a professional dev but our team is big enough that i only have to do it for 1 week at a time every few weeks oh, yeah ours was that way too. forgot to mention that part, it was a rotating schedule and each dev took a half week shift once every maybe 6 weeks or so. once a month for support associates. there were more of them but we ran 3 oncall support people a night.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:what’s the word for a secret test where someone is checking to see if you belong to their ‘in’ group? it’s at the tip of my tongue but i can’t remember shibboleth? quick how do you pronounce unionized are we talking teamsters or chemistry
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JawnV6 posted:shibboleth? yes that’s it. thank you. i’m tired of shibboleth tech interviews. fortunately they’re more rare than they were even five years ago but man google really did a number on us with that garbage
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PIZZA.BAT posted:what’s the word for a secret test where someone is checking to see if you belong to their ‘in’ group? it’s at the tip of my tongue but i can’t remember tech interviews
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uncurable mlady posted:interviews
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PIZZA.BAT posted:i felt like the convo was heading south after the riddle & spring batch question so i tried to steer it towards all my experience in, you know, building actual mission-critical database clusters and all of the insane details you have to be aware of to prevent them from spontaneously bursting into flames. nope. you didn’t know spring batch when you never loving claimed to while interviewing with a nosql company. fail. interviewing is garbage nobody who asks riddles or trivia has read or will ever care about anything on your resume
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JawnV6 posted:shibboleth? heh
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Acer Pilot posted:yikes you hear about this thirdhand all the time but I never thought I'd see a direct report of it like that lmbo owned
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Achmed Jones posted:as for your specific situation, I'd generally think that your rate is fine if they give you more if you actually get paged. otherwise it wouldn't be good for me at all. everybody's different though 🤷♀️] on top of our ~1 day's pay per (week long) shift, we get paid 1.5x (weekday) or 2x (weekend) our hourly rate for pages, and get the hour(s) back as hoilday. you get anywhere from zero pages (most weeks) to 10 pages (bad weeks). each page is fixable in ~30 mins, minimum paid increment is 30m, so the actual "per page" pay is piddling for being woken up at 3am, you will get  . based on what shadowhawk posted above, at Google you get 5 times as much as us. lol. compared to another friend at a similarish org, he gets 3 times as much. i guess i will try my hand at renegotiating this with my boss, because we are getting paid literally €2 per hour of on call which is ridiculous a cyberpunk goose posted:i am on call as a professional dev but our team is big enough that i only have to do it for 1 week at a time every few weeks  1 week every 2 months is reasonable, imo
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PIZZA.BAT posted:i felt like the convo was heading south after the riddle & spring batch question so i tried to steer it towards all my experience in, you know, building actual mission-critical database clusters and all of the insane details you have to be aware of to prevent them from spontaneously bursting into flames. nope. you didn’t know spring batch when you never loving claimed to while interviewing with a nosql company. fail. interviewing is garbage welp. this is very lovely. did they justify why they were asking sprint batch questions when you never claimed to know that?
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:welp. this is very lovely. he said no big deal if i couldn’t answer any of the questions but didn’t justify why he was asking them in the first place. i was more direct when the guy was giving me the feedback but he wasn’t a technical guy so he didn’t even really know what spring batch was or why i’d find it strange to be asked about it.
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I mean you kind of have to respect the hustle there
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Sapozhnik posted:I mean you kind of have to respect the hustle there in fact you do not
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"euro" is the problem, because it indicates that you do not live in a figgieland
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Captain Foo posted:in fact you do not
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Sapozhnik posted:I mean you kind of have to respect the hustle there in the same way you have to "respect the hustle" of amazon literally working people to death on the warehouse floor which is to say, not at all edit: here's the thing: that would actually be a pretty okay way of interviewing, if and only if the candidate was paid a full contracting rate for those 3 days
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I'm the hospital using this companies software that was written by interviewees who may not have even been qualified for the job. I'm also the support team that has to deal with that I'm thirdly the vendor putting its rear end on the line with regards to HIPAA compliance by having outside contractors except with less than zero accountability modifying source code. Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Poopernickel posted:i pronounce it so that it rhymes with di-uh-beet-us, and say it with a twang too thank u for this beautiful post
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