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The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

So my phone story.
Almost three years ago I recieved a bunch of cash from a number of cases I had done, and like a mook I blew it on a new phone instead of saving it.

But rather than sign up to a two year plan (and I needed a good plan as I made lots of phone calls as part of work so needed minutes.) I signed up to a really good, reliable Sim only plan.

Then I bought my phone Sim Free online. I wanted a Samsung, since I'm a tech sheeple but I love their phones.

Anyway my trick was rather than buy the phone Sim Free from Samsung or Vodafone I bought it from Amazon.
But not just any Amazon, I bought it from Amazon Italy.
It was a pain going through the translations on their website over and over but I found one for €250 less than what the main stores were selling.
The only drawbacks were I had to make sure it was an Unlocked version of the phone. And the plug for the charger had the European pins on it not the Irish/UK ones.

But after fixing them and changing the default language to English, the phone has worked well for almost three years now.

If you are looking for a phone consider Importing it from another EU country while you still can.

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

CoolCab posted:

Northumbria actually - I meant the town, sorry.

Northumbria has a campus in London with a really nice pizza place at the bottom of it, hmu if you ever make it there.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The Northumbrian Centre For Excellence in Precision Geolocation, London.

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Can someone quickly explain to me the connection/link between Lisa Nandy and Blue Labour? I’m trying to google stuff up but results are swamped with useless stuff.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Terry Jones is dead, only one good Python left.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005



Ratjaculation posted:

Terry Jones is dead, only one good Python left.

gently caress. RIP :smith:

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT


why aren't white community leaders denouncing this???

thrashingteeth
Dec 22, 2019

depressive hedonia
always tired
taco tuesday

baka kaba posted:

why aren't white community leaders denouncing this???

I do love that BBC is celebrating local woman with zero imagination, dreams or self-respect.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

forkboy84 posted:

I just remembered that I need to think about whether or not my new phone has a headphone jack. Truly we live in the stupidest loving age.

I do not want to have to buy expensive new earbuds. Sake. Especially ones I will inevitably lose.

I've got some cheap Anker Bluetooth earphones and they're vastly superior to wired ones because the short wire can't get tangled up or anything else

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

^^^ you can get a USB-C adaptor and just use your usual earbuds too

zentigeist posted:

I do love that BBC is celebrating local woman with zero imagination, dreams or self-respect.

hell it wouldn't be so bad if it was one individual doing her own thing, they're pushing a movement entirely based around regressive gender roles and women knowing their place

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


I heard a bit of PMQs earlier and Iain Blackford said something about Holocaust Memorial Day and how antisemitism and all other forms of racism are bad so I guess the SNP hates Jews now.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

baka kaba posted:

^^^ you can get a USB-C adaptor and just use your usual earbuds too
There can be issues with USB-C DACs and various phone models, so you do need to check phone compatibility.

baka kaba posted:

hell it wouldn't be so bad if it was one individual doing her own thing, they're pushing a movement entirely based around regressive gender roles and women knowing their place
She's not even being a #tradwife, where are the parents? Unless you have at least three generations in the same household and at least one brother or cousin sleeping in the spare room you're not doing anything traditional, you're just cosplaying at baking pies and making your husband do the bills.

Bet she doesn't even change sockets or taps either.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Borrovan posted:

Flops backs Nandy

e: & I'm sticking with Raynor for deputy purely to maintain Momentum's political influence, we're not done with it yet

How would Butler as deputy PM damage Momentum's long term influence? She's very much ideologically aligned with them.

thrashingteeth
Dec 22, 2019

depressive hedonia
always tired
taco tuesday

baka kaba posted:

hell it wouldn't be so bad if it was one individual doing her own thing, they're pushing a movement entirely based around regressive gender roles and women knowing their place

I still think any woman who wants to be a tradwife needs to get a grip, but yea if it's the actual white supremacist poo poo it's completely worse.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

someone in the replies said Christofascist and :kiss:

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Rarity posted:

How would Butler as deputy PM damage Momentum's long term influence? She's very much ideologically aligned with them.

She's aligned with them on a lot of policies but I've been told (by momentum people) butler makes some momentum people nervous because she isn't aligned officially with any faction. I take that to mean she hasn't kissed the ring, essentially, which I don't care about. I don't think it'll hurt momentum, they don't have to dictate to the party all the time. Anyway a lot of people in the org aren't happy about rayner and want burgon from what I'm hearing so we'll see how the deputy thing goes down. I think butler probably won't make it, but I'm gonna push to get her on the ballot at least if I can.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
The fascist undertones are basically just tones

https://twitter.com/bbcstories/status/1218216597111951362

Featuring the classic "a time when you could leave your front door unlocked"

When has that ever been true lol

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Before consumer capitalism and in the time of extended families, because there would always be a few people at home and not much worth taking.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
So when homes were crowded and everyone was dirt poor *dreams nostalgically*

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

When has that ever been true lol

Well I guess it depends, do you mean locked when home because we don't lock the door when at home. If we leave we lock the door just in case. I don't think I ever bother locking my car though.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

The fascist undertones are basically just tones

https://twitter.com/bbcstories/status/1218216597111951362

Featuring the classic "a time when you could leave your front door unlocked"

When has that ever been true lol

"jewing... DURING"

:vince:

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005



Back in rural Wales we only ever locked the door when we went away for a few days, because well...

Guavanaut posted:

there would always be a few people at home and not much worth taking.

Plus most locks are just a psychological deterrent. If someone wants to get in, they'll find a way

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Am I on a huge limb here to say that if women want to take on more 'traditional' roles of their own free will that should be up to them?

I get their desire to do so could be down to structural issues (ingrained mysogony, nostalgia etc.) but I don't tend to criticise other people for making choices based on societal influence beyond their control. For example I think the current tenancy to bash the working class people who voted for Brexit as idiots etc is very unhelpful.

The majority of them seem intelligent and privaledged people. I mean I wouldn't pick it for my daughter but that's kind of the point, it's not mine to pick.

Challenge mysogony and confront the hard right but I don't think that necessarily means kicking this lot. It's at worst a symptom, not a cause. Although the fact they seem to be making a big song and dance about it is a bit sus I don't see why it's inherently fascist or sexist or even right wing.

Edit: I crossed over with the vids bove so haven't watched and obvs if they're being coerced in some way that's different.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jan 22, 2020

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


e:^^^ because of the poo poo in JeremoudCorbynejad's post. "I am perfectly happy with traditional gender roles & voluntarily choose them as an independent person" is fine (as long as it is a free & independent choice, which is sometimes iffy). "I am happy with this and everyone else should be too" is not.

Rarity posted:

How would Butler as deputy PM damage Momentum's long term influence? She's very much ideologically aligned with them.
Honestly I think Butler, Burgon or Rayner (spelled it right this time) would be fine - and in particular that more POC representation would be great - but the Momentum slate not getting in would represent a symbolic fracturing of power. Without Corbyn as a unifying force we've got to band together right now, and I'm perfectly happy with Rayner so I'm sticking to the slate.

If we end up with Starmer+non-Rayner, Momentum is done, and we're not done with it yet.

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jan 22, 2020

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Zalakwe posted:

Am I on a huge limb here... if... haven't watched

yeah

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Debbie Does Dagon posted:

Plus most locks are just a psychological deterrent. If someone wants to get in, they'll find a way
Locks are for politeness and insurance purposes and not much else.

They will buy time though. You can walk in an open door on a street and look like you belong there, whereas someone loving about with a lock for 10 minutes or throwing a brick through a window usually doesn't. What results from that depends on the type of community and environment in the area.

Zalakwe posted:

Am I on a huge limb here to say that if women want to take on more 'traditional' roles of their own free will that should be up to them?

I get their desire to do so could be down to structural issues (ingrained mysogony, nostalgia etc.) but I don't tend to criticise other people for making choices based on societal influence beyond their control. For example I think the current tenancy to bash the working class people who voted for Brexit as idiots etc is very unhelpful.

The majority of them seem intelligent and privaledged people. I mean I wouldn't pick it for my daughter but that's kind of the point, it's not mine to pick.

Challenge mysogony and confront the hard right but I don't think that necessarily means kicking this lot. It's at worst a symptom, not a cause. Although the fact they seem to be making a big song and dance about it is a bit sus I don't see why it's inherently fascist or sexist or even right wing.

Edit: I crossed over with the vids bove so haven't watched and obvs if they're being coerced in some way that's different.
When they go around talking about national identity and all that shite then yeah that's a problem. I don't have an issue with women wanting to wear an apron and bake biscuits if they want, as long as they're aware that it's at best cosplaying, and the material and social conditions that could authentically make someone a 'tradwife' are neither present nor desirable.

I've got no problem with people who want to dress up and shoot matchlocks on the weekend and doff their broad hat to another guy in fancy dress on a shire-horse either, but I wouldn't like a return of the material conditions that made that anything other than a hobby, and I'd think anyone who treats it as an authentic condition is a bit weird.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

"I had no idea this movement could be seen as resembling a nationalist/fascist state" I exclaim while sitting in front of my portrait-sized Truly Great British flag picture.

Zalakwe posted:

Am I on a huge limb here to say that if women want to take on more 'traditional' roles of their own free will that should be up to them?

Yep, absolutely. There's nothing wrong with a women wanting to be a homemaker. What is a problem is when an inherently patriarchal system uses these women to promote it as an aspirational ideology

Plus yeah, the tradwife identity specficially is inherently mixed with other ideologies that you can absolutely have a go at them for

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Advocating for a "return" to an imagined & idealised version of a repressive past is inherently fashy as gently caress basically, that's literally fascists' whole thing.

Live how you want, but don't do that. & don't act like people are wrong for not doing it.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

I mean individual choice is still a tricky subject because we do live in a patriarchy, feminism hasn't won, there's still pressures and coercive elements pushing women towards domestic roles and the like. So there's still the question of why individuals choose to do this stuff, how much society still pushes people in these directions, and whether people embracing this stuff just entrenches and normalises it, and makes it harder to fix those issues

But people going on about a movement and :siren:we don't know what our national identity is:siren: can do one

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
I wish I could be the homemaker. I would quite like to be a stay at home Dad and look after the house/kids and all that.
I am sure I would get more out of it emotionally and mentally than in the workplace.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

you will come home to your pipe and slippers and like it!!

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

oh god glinner is a #TradDad isn't he

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Rarity posted:

"I had no idea this movement could be seen as resembling a nationalist/fascist state" I exclaim while sitting in front of my portrait-sized Truly Great British flag picture.


Yep, absolutely. There's nothing wrong with a women wanting to be a homemaker. What is a problem is when an inherently patriarchal system uses these women to promote it as an aspirational ideology

Plus yeah, the tradwife identity specficially is inherently mixed with other ideologies that you can absolutely have a go at them for

All of the above is interesting and helpful thanks folks.

This was my main takeaway though, there is a difference between doing something for yourself and becoming part of a movement to commodity it with suspect motives.

Also all the nationalist stuff is obviously naff but as I said I didn't watch what was shared.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

VideoGames posted:

I wish I could be the homemaker. I would quite like to be a stay at home Dad and look after the house/kids and all that.
I am sure I would get more out of it emotionally and mentally than in the workplace.
I think that's also part of the foundational issue. There's so much in the way of bullshit jobs now, and being a woman in the workplace can be made worse by all kinds of things, so I can see why some women might romanticize the idea of being in the home.

Especially now that the social hierarchies have been ameliorated a bit and the parts that made housework a back breaking chore have been automated.

But because of that last bit they're essentially building something that never existed, and could not have existed within its own alleged timeframe outside of houses with a dozen servants.

What you end up with is pining for the luxury automated version of 50s America that set the stage for the 60s without all the things that caused it to set the stage for the 60s. It's a form of free floating parasitic nostalgia that has landed on and perverted the part of the brain that recognizes that work is poo poo and there are fulfilling things to do within the home.

baka kaba posted:

oh god glinner is a #TradDad isn't he
Trans Exclusionary Dad.

Father TED :ohdear:

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


My partner and I have a pretty "traditional" family structure but we've discussed it at length and decided that actually it's a shining example of Socialism In One Country Household

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Phyllis Schlafly used to get obeisant columns about her in liberal rags like the NYT, this isn't much new.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
There's also a big logical paradox in the whole tradwife thing if it is to be subjected to analysis.

If it is fine for tradwives to give power of decision making to their husbands as long as it is their free choice to do so, what happens if their husband decides that the wife is to be a radical feminist?

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
If you're going to regress to an idealised past please go to one where the bare minimum number of people work on a Sunday. Also give every citizen a plot of land to grow their food on and teach us how to use a longbow.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


I ended up with a Samsung android I don't care about anything else, this new phone is so such better than my old museum model.

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Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Guavanaut posted:

what happens if their husband decides that the wife is to be a radical feminist?

Funnily enough this isn't a problem that ever seems to come up :thunkher:

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