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DandyLion posted:Its not a real trial. Its a wacky senate party that has the word 'Trial' in its label. HootTheOwl posted:It's a trial where the jury both has a vested interest in the outcome and gets to vote on every rule in real time. Scipiotik posted:It's a trial where co-conspirators get to sit on the jury and pick the rules. These are all things I would think the judge should be willing and able to straighten out.
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syntaxrigger posted:These are all things I would think the judge should be willing and able to straighten out. The judge has arrived with an opposing team's jersey.
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syntaxrigger posted:These are all things I would think the judge should be willing and able to straighten out. He can try, but he's not a real judge. And the co-conspirators can tell him to pound sand and ignore his rulings anyway.
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Scipiotik posted:He can try, but he's not a real judge. And the co-conspirators can tell him to pound sand and ignore his rulings anyway. Plus the judge is on the side of the majority of the jury
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haveblue posted:Plus the judge is on the side of the majority of the jury Yeah, judge works for the defendant, so what?
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The trial analogy has never been less apt.
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I'm sure Republicans are going to be super pleased when, god willing, whenever we get a Democrat president back in office, they have no reason not to sleaze it up and manipulate foreign governments to help rig elections, since that's exactly what they're saying is okay here with Trump. Oh, wait. They'd say Dems rigged the election no matter what anyway. So who cares at this point.  I just can't believe these people can look at facts presented so clearly and just say that nothing is wrong-- under oath, no less. They're all a bunch of mongrels so desperately eager to slurp the fairway grass off Trump's shoes like the good little puppies they are, no matter how complicit it makes them in his crimes. Framboise fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Framboise posted:I'm sure Republicans are going to be super pleased when, god willing, whenever we get a Democrat president back in office, they have no reason not to sleaze it up and manipulate foreign governments to help rig elections, since that's exactly what they're saying is okay here with Trump. They will turn around and impeach him/her immediately for the exact same thing. Dozens of them are on record taking diametrically opposed positions against Clinton. They do not care one bit and are perfect embodiments of doublethink.
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syntaxrigger posted:These are all things I would think the judge should be willing and able to straighten out. He has no grounds. The problem is the constitution
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Whelp I've called my senators. One had a staffer pick up quickly. The other didn't answer either on the local or the Washington number. Not sure what else can be done beyond that.
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Zotix posted:Whelp I've called my senators. One had a staffer pick up quickly. The other didn't answer either on the local or the Washington number. Not sure what else can be done beyond that. Take a look at the GoonPAC thread. I like the idea of Goons agreeing a particular politician is worthless regardless of political leanings and working to unseat said sack of poo poo.
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Faustian Bargain posted:At what point does Schiff come out and literally call Trump a chicken on national TV? Use his ego against him I’m surprised the coward insult hasn’t been used more honestly. It perfectly characterized these bootlickers.
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If I had a choice, I'd let Hunter Biden testify because I think the republicans are bluffing. Call their bluff and let them call Hunter Biden. What the hell are they going to get out of it? I think the republicans want Biden to not testify because then they can use it politically. If you call him, what can he possibly say? There is no evidence that Hunter was guilty for anything but nepotism. Then he can just point to all the Trump kids. Worst case scenario is they prove Hunter got his job because his daddy was VP. Well, big loving deal. If they can even manage to do that. What does it matter? Neither Joe or Hunter Biden are on trial. It doesn't really help Trump's case. At best it gets negative attention on Biden which, in my view, is a win/win.mcmagic posted:He didn't have the cult of personality around him that Trump does. People were having their children literally praying in front of a cardboard cut out of Bush Jr. If Trump loses this year they will drop him almost immediately and his entire cult would pretend they never heard of him.
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1glitch0 posted:If I had a choice, I'd let Hunter Biden testify because I think the republicans are bluffing. Call their bluff and let them call Hunter Biden. What the hell are they going to get out of it? I think the republicans want Biden to not testify because then they can use it politically. If you call him, what can he possibly say? There is no evidence that Hunter was guilty for anything but nepotism. Then he can just point to all the Trump kids. Worst case scenario is they prove Hunter got his job because his daddy was VP. Well, big loving deal. If they can even manage to do that. What does it matter? Neither Joe or Hunter Biden are on trial. It doesn't really help Trump's case. At best it gets negative attention on Biden which, in my view, is a win/win. Seems like a huge waste of time and an insult to our intelligence to bring him in.
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Plays into the GOP's hand. Hunter testifying -> we were right all along -> Trump did nothing wrong. Instead it will be we don't care if Trump did the crimes and neither do our supporters, #MAGA2020.
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Spun Dog posted:Seems like a huge waste of time and an insult to our intelligence to bring him in. Donald Trump is your president. You honestly telling me your intelligence can get insulted any further?
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Schiff was mentioning the Sergeant at Arms and imprisonment there at the top but I missed the context. Anyone else catch what he was saying there?
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Faustian Bargain posted:Plays into the GOP's hand. Hunter testifying -> we were right all along -> Trump did nothing wrong. They've already used Hunter Biden like that and they'll continue to use him like that. You cannot say that an action shouldn't be taken because republicans are going to continue doing what they're going to do anyway (a lesson that the democrats desperately need to learn in general). There is nothing lost by letting the republicans wave their insane conspiracy theories around and a decent gain in getting people who already have paper trails about their involvement in the crimes tell the American public about the crimes.
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Tunafish posted:Schiff was mentioning the Sergeant at Arms and imprisonment there at the top but I missed the context. Anyone else catch what he was saying there? They start each day with the SaA saying that the senators have to remain silent on pain of imprisonments, so Schiff was making a chuckle that it’s rare house members can get the silent attention of senators, so the threat of prison helps with that
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oxsnard posted:i left a message with john cornyn today, making GBS threads on them and also getting a stab in that I thought he was "not a coward like ted cruz, but I guess I was mistaken" I use Craven Cornyn in my correspondences with him for a reason.
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Random Stranger posted:They've already used Hunter Biden like that and they'll continue to use him like that. You cannot say that an action shouldn't be taken because republicans are going to continue doing what they're going to do anyway (a lesson that the democrats desperately need to learn in general). There is nothing lost by letting the republicans wave their insane conspiracy theories around and a decent gain in getting people who already have paper trails about their involvement in the crimes tell the American public about the crimes. Yes there is something lost, you're giving their insane conspiracy theories more air time on legitimate news networks. Yeah they're going to do whatever the gently caress they want on Fox and the rest of the echosphere but there is no reason to concede any ground to them. Particularly since there is no negotiation and if the Republicans really wanted to call Biden or son in they can do so with zero input or support from the Democrats. Making any kind of "Deal" with them would only lend legitimacy to their lunacy and the Democrats should not do that. In the end this whole process is about getting the Republicans to show their asses and demonstrate to the public in no uncertain terms exactly who they are, then we just have to hope that enough of the public cares to do something about it.
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Nadler's presentation on what constitutes a high crime so far has used quotes from Dershowitz, Barr and Graham as framing tools. I see what they're doing here. Don't think it'll do much, but it's good.
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The Democrats are doing a good job generating soundbites out of this. They will have lots of ammunition all the way down the ballot in the next election.
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Framboise posted:
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Framboise posted:
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1220410391668371457 Trump is having one.
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Ehud posted:I understand there is no chance for them to take this seriously, but shouldn't an adult in the room scold them about this? Someone get the Sergeant at Arms a metal ruler, it's the only thing these old fogeys understand.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1220410391668371457 Trump is having one. God he is stupid. Honestly at this point I almost want them to call all of the above just to see how bad it all comes off.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1220410391668371457 Trump is having one. The movie star! And the rest! Are here on Gilligan's Isle!
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HootTheOwl posted:The judge has arrived with an opposing team's jersey. Scipiotik posted:He can try, but he's not a real judge. And the co-conspirators can tell him to pound sand and ignore his rulings anyway. haveblue posted:Plus the judge is on the side of the majority of the jury DandyLion posted:Yeah, judge works for the defendant, so what? Fart Amplifier posted:He has no grounds. The problem is the constitution What I didn't expect from this proceeding is to loose even more faith in my government. Cool......cool cool cool 
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If they really wanted Hunter to testify Republicans have the majority. They could do it any time they want to.
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syntaxrigger posted:What I didn't expect from this proceeding is to loose even more faith in my government. Cool......cool cool cool Sabotaging public faith in government has been the republican agenda for the last thirty years, and they're doing a bang-up job at it.
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Djarum posted:God he is stupid. Honestly at this point I almost want them to call all of the above just to see how bad it all comes off. What would the point to them being witnesses even be? I honestly don't know much about how court cases/trials/etc work but it sounds like they'd just be there for the republicans to be like "See! Those people ARE bad!" And even if that was 100% true and it comes out that the whistleblower and Schiff colluded, it wouldn't excuse Trump for what he's being impeached for. So I really don't understand what the point of them being witnesses is. I say let them go because I feel like most of what the republicans would ask wouldn't be relevant the fact that Trump abused his power and obstructed congress. The fact that those are two things he's being impeached for was a pretty smart move in that regard. For example, here's my train of thought... I can't rob a bank and my defense be "Well the bank manager also did crimes." If that guy was a witness in my court case and it came out he did in fact do crimes, I'm still the one that robbed the bank. Him doing something bad doesn't give me the green light to rob the bank. It's not going to lessen my sentence or anything. Or am I completely missing something with what their roles are in all of this?
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My attorney! My other attorney who went to jail! The whistleblower who told about my crimes! The other one who also told about my crimes! The document of my crimes that I wrote! A video of me confessing to the crimes! My assistants who said on TV I did crimes! Why won't anyone believe I am innocent?!
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