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It is great that, simultaneously, the argument is being made that Bernie can't be the candidate because as a leftist he'd get crushed in the general elections, and that Bernie can't be the candidate because people who aren't democrats support him. It's always this "heads I win tails you lose" with him.
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joepinetree posted:All you have to know about how sincere these people are with regards to this whole Rogan thing is that all the other democratic campaigns asked to go on his show. I'm sure it's pretty easy to view going on a lovely show to get non-lovely viewpoints in and rt'ing their endorsements when they're still lovely as separate acts . Doesn't make a poor choice of rting as a sign Bernie will let Transphobes influence his LGBT policy or that it will really promote shitiness by itself mind.
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Jan 24, 2020 07:58
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for every chapo trap house voter we lose we'll pick up two from the joe rogan podcast
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Jan 24, 2020 07:58
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Rockit posted:I'm sure it's pretty easy to view going on a lovely show to get non-lovely viewpoints in and rt'ing their endorsements when they're still lovely as separate acts . This is entirely post facto rationalization and makes no sense. Are you suggesting that these candidates wanted to go on his show to confront him on his transphobia? Or that these candidates would have balked if, in that program, Rogan had positive things to say about them? Or is it that it is ok to go on the show, and it is ok to hope to get positive comments by going on the show, but somehow retweeting a nice thing said about you crosses the line?
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Jan 24, 2020 08:00
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I dislike Joe Rogan but his audience is significant. I don’t know how but I’m assured that’s the case. Still can’t believe the schmuck from Fear Factor is a cultural icon. A relic from a bygone age given new and terrible life. He’s the bizarro Bryan Cranston.
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Jan 24, 2020 08:04
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joepinetree posted:This is entirely post facto rationalization and makes no sense. In this case only that last question but it's more like spilling someone's drink accidentally than what twitter's making it out to be.
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Jan 24, 2020 08:10
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Wait wasn't Hillary Clinton on Howard Stern's show like 2 weeks ago? If we want to have a discussion about problematic broadcasters,hoooo boy
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Jan 24, 2020 08:14
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oxsnard posted:Wait wasn't Hillary Clinton on Howard Stern's show like 2 weeks ago? If we want to have a discussion about problematic broadcasters,hoooo boy If not 2 weeks ago, at least in December 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kHUA-Zma1U https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/04/entertainment/hillary-clinton-howard-stern/index.html
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Jan 24, 2020 08:17
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Rockit posted:In this case only that last question but it's more like spilling someone's drink accidentally than what twitter's making it out to be. Do you think that when the Warren campaign was trying to get on the Joe Rogan show, they had decided internally that they wouldn't boost any content from that show? That they would have tried to let the whole thing go by and not mention it at all? This is a ridiculous attempt to draw some distinction. Presumably when Warren wanted to go on the Joe Rogan show, she wanted positive exposure. And presumably if she had received positive comments during the show, her team would have boosted it's visibility. Because that is what campaigns do.
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Jan 24, 2020 08:22
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Craig K posted:for every chapo trap house voter we lose we'll pick up two from the joe rogan podcast I get the joke and all, but fwiw the Chapo people and their regular listeners will be just fine with this. They might think Rogan is a hilarious manchild moron, but they also understand realpolitik. And one of them literally released a whole YouTube series viewing MMA through a vaguely leftist lens
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Jan 24, 2020 08:26
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Failed Imagineer posted:I get the joke and all, but fwiw the Chapo people and their regular listeners will be just fine with this. They might think Rogan is a hilarious manchild moron, but they also understand realpolitik. And one of them literally released a whole YouTube series viewing MMA through a vaguely leftist lens The Jon Bois "Fighting in the Age of Loneliness" videos?
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Jan 24, 2020 08:31
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i mean, the absolute most generous i'm willing to be is that i get that there will be otherwise awful people that will support someone you like, but it's still a completely loving idiotic reason to not support someone because SOMEONE ELSE who's a lovely person gave them their endorsement. theoretically, people would vote for those who advocate policies they agree with, not who supports them.
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Jan 24, 2020 08:35
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Mekchu posted:The Jon Bois "Fighting in the Age of Loneliness" videos? Yep
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Failed Imagineer posted:I get the joke and all, but fwiw the Chapo people and their regular listeners will be just fine with this. They might think Rogan is a hilarious manchild moron, but they also understand realpolitik. And one of them literally released a whole YouTube series viewing MMA through a vaguely leftist lens yeah, i think that poster's comment would be more properly directed at say, the pod save america crew than chapo
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Jan 24, 2020 08:44
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Jan 24, 2020 08:45
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joepinetree posted:Do you think that when the Warren campaign was trying to get on the Joe Rogan show, they had decided internally that they wouldn't boost any content from that show? That they would have tried to let the whole thing go by and not mention it at all? Though i can definitely buy Warren's team is ignorant enough to act like that. There's also a chance they know what's good for them and not piss off twitter.
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Jan 24, 2020 08:49
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This is a good take on the Rogan thing imo: https://twitter.com/wesinjapan/status/1220522547076222977 https://twitter.com/wesinjapan/status/1220552761906880512
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Jan 24, 2020 08:50
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Now, just to highlight how this entire thing is vapid and meaningless: The Warren campaign was endorsed, and publicly promoted the endorsement, of one George E Little. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Little quote:Little was appointed director of public affairs at the Central Intelligence Agency in October 2010, where he served as the CIA's chief media spokesman, provided strategic counsel to the director and his senior leadership team, coordinated internal communications to CIA employees in the United States and abroad, and managed communications and outreach to the American public. Little began his communications work at the CIA in April 2007 as chief of media relations. As you may recall, there was this little thing called the CIA torture program during the Bush years. Now, you may say "well, he was only chief of media relations for the CIA for 2 of those years, and his job is PR anyways, so why is this bad?" Well, remember that movie Zero Dark Thirty? You know, the one that was as explicitly propaganda as you can get? And, perhaps more importantly, that changed the story so that, according to the movie, the only reason Bin Laden was found was the torture program, which is depicted as working? https://shadowproof.com/2013/05/07/declassified-memo-shows-zero-dark-thirty-filmmakers-were-willing-propagandists-for-cia/ quote:On July 20, 2011, in an e-mail, Boal thanked then-CIA Director of Public Affairs George Little for “pulling for him” inside the agency. It made “all the difference.” Little responded, “…I can’t tell you how excited we all are (at DOD and CIA) about the project…PS – I want you to know how good I’ve been not mentioning the premiere tickets [smiley face].” So she has been bragging about the endorsement of a guy whose job literally was to do propaganda in favor of torture. And here's the thing, unlike Rogan, a guy like this would likely have a spot in a Warren administration.
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Jan 24, 2020 08:53
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Bo Berry posted:I dislike Joe Rogan but his audience is significant. I don’t know how but I’m assured that’s the case. Still can’t believe the schmuck from Fear Factor is a cultural icon. A relic from a bygone age given new and terrible life. He’s the bizarro Bryan Cranston. He's entertaining to a big subset of the population, despite being an idiot. Even his tepid endorsement is a good thing for Bernie. Need those kind of voters to not vote for pure evil for once.
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Jan 24, 2020 08:59
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joepinetree posted:Now, just to highlight how this entire thing is vapid and meaningless: On scale of 1 to 10 how vapid is "I concede that this is way worse than what Bernie did even if that's still an minor issue."? Cause that's what i'm going with.
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Jan 24, 2020 09:04
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Cool, so we are agreed that this is a dumb issue being weaponized by people who would never vote Bernie anyways.
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Jan 24, 2020 09:07
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Those were really good and the people in the UFC thread here on SA loved them. Edit - We also love to mock the living hell out of Dana White. Someone went out and found out what color of reddish/purple his face turns to whenever he's huffing and puffing angrily. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Jan 24, 2020 09:09
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Majorian posted:This is a good take on the Rogan thing imo: also this is just one comment from rogans bernie episode:  of course it doesn't mean this guy will start reading lenin and marx, but it's still a push in a better direction
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Jan 24, 2020 09:14
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Almost like united in a shared struggle and winning makes people see each other as allies.
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Jan 24, 2020 09:17
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joepinetree posted:Cool, so we are agreed that this is a dumb issue being weaponized by people who would never vote Bernie anyways. No poo poo. I knew that beforehand but my mind was easily distracted so that was unclear. Mea cupla. May I see a source for that Warren acceptance of that endorsement? Might go on the twitter pit to inform others.
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Mekchu posted:Those were really good and the people in the UFC thread here on SA loved them. It's the exact same kind of vibe you get on Chapo about half the time - but with added Adam Curtis impersonation
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People in the race eagerly solicit endorsements from people who are a million times worse than Rogan, so this is just the usual centrist double standard bullshit. And even if Rogan was the king of assholes, then so what? Let him dig his own grave then. Bernie ain't gonna change a thing about himself no matter who endorses him. E: To expand a little on this, the really dumb thing here is that the establishment assholes are essentially asking for literal doublethink here. On the one hand we're supposed to believe that Bernie is some stubborn relic from the past who hasn't changed in 40+ years and thus you shouldn't support him and simultaneously we're supposed to believe that Bernie appearing on platforms that aren't ideologically approved is bad, apparently because that would reinforce the inherent bad message of said platform somehow. But since Bernie will just always do his own thing and he's not gonna change either, then how exactly is that even supposed to be possible? All that could be happening here, by their own logic, is that said platform is giving up precious airtime to the good guys. the_steve posted:Same. I thought for sure WWE would lean closer to chud territory WWE as a company is chud central, but the audience isn't. Though a big part of that is that WWE held a virtual monopoly on pro wrestling in the US for decades and it's only recently that any real alternatives have become available, so who knows how the demographics have shifted. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Jan 24, 2020 10:26
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I still trying to figure out how you insist that a candidate must earn your vote, and also say you'll write in a guy who isn't even running within the same tweet.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:29
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Funny how all these people weren't whining about Joe Rogan back when Bernie Sanders actually went on his show, and would be touting the poo poo out of Rogan if he endorsed someone like Biden, Warren, or Mayo Pete. Like him or not, Joe Rogan saying "I think I'll vote for Bernie" is 1000 times more valuable than getting an endorsement by the NYT or an MSNBC hack. I totally get why centrist succ dams are coming trying to hit Bernie with this because they literally got nothing else at this point and he's still surging, but if you're a Sanders supporter and this is problematic for you then you're out of your goddamn mind. Joe Rogan's audience is massive and a LOT of his listeners are the type that don't vote or have given up on politics a long rear end time ago and thats exactly the type of people Bernie Sanders and his movement needs to join him in enacting significant change in this country because Bernie is not gonna be able to do it by himself in office, there needs to be an overwhelming groundswell of support. Focusing on some of the things Rogan as said in the past or some of his listeners is a classic example of self defeating missing the forest for the trees nonsense. I just hope Bernie do something incredibly loving stupid and "reject" Joe Rogan now.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:37
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hanales posted:The president of the United States was literally a b-list celebrity when he ran. He was more like the A-list of the D-list.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:39
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Ague Proof posted:If you don't let Joe Rogan call you slurs, Biden wins. VitalSigns posted:Seems weird that criticizing bigotry is the only thing that's not allowed in a "big tent" Doctor Jeep posted:also this is just one comment from rogans bernie episode: No matter how one wants to phrase it, onboarding platforms for leftist politics and leftist opinions have to start somewhere, and that usually involves education, changing minds, and catching the attention by popular appeal of those who skip-out or see themselves as existing outside of the culture war, in a space of more fluid vulgarity. You don't need to like people to have solidarity with them, you just need to identify the route of common struggle, appeal to it, and see if it persuades. And then keep trying. Appealing to people who might hate you for what you are is one of the hardest parts of this poo poo, since it's much easier to end up divided than it is to unite. It takes discipline, thick skin, wit, and perseverence. Usually a person's hatred for what you are is rather skin-deep and socially imposed over years or decades. Beneath that, the hope is that there is common interest that can be built upon in order to overcome prejudice, phobias, racial bribes, etc, and generate lasting class solidarity.
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I think it's a pretty good sign this is the closest thing to a controversy that Bernie has had so far. And echoing that above guy's tweets, yes, you have no idea how big Rogan is in the gym/male athleisure community. It's...baffling to be quite honest.
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Rogan's audience isn't interested in politics, except when Rogan is interested. He is a commercial messiah, spiritual leader of cool people who smoke weed and work out at the gym, and it is by his will that some things are deemed not within the realm of nerd losers for a brief period of time.
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Jan 24, 2020 12:39
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Sundae posted:*trend keeps going up and looks awesome for Bernie* Let's not kid ourselves, we all gonna be drunk either way.
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Jan 24, 2020 12:48
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At least we’ll have plenty of capable volunteers to help hoe and harvest the freedom wheat.
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joepinetree posted:It is great that, simultaneously, the argument is being made that Bernie can't be the candidate because as a leftist he'd get crushed in the general elections, and that Bernie can't be the candidate because people who aren't democrats support him. An added third option is that up until now, convincing moderate conservative/Republicans was a reason we needed to nominate a moderate. Now that bernie is pulling them in, like you said, it's now a bad thing.
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Yeah, if anybody else would have done the exact same thing the people who now act shocked and appalled would be praising it as a political masterstroke.
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Majorian posted:It's Michael Tracey, who sucks and is extremely dumb, but I'm guessing he was listening to the episode:
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Meatball posted:An added third option is that up until now, convincing moderate conservative/Republicans was a reason we needed to nominate a moderate. Now that bernie is pulling them in, like you said, it's now a bad thing. They've always done that, all evidence that Bernie appeals to Trump voters and Republicans was used to claim Bernie is a secret Republican and just like Trump. Then five seconds later the people claiming that will tout the genius of moving right to appeal to Trump voters and Republicans
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