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I've been replaying as a cheating supercop and it feels great to do the full autopsy with Cuno commentary. They're so loving excited!
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I feel like the whole dream/ex-something/Dolores bit was crazy foreshadowed. The idea of that coming out of nowhere seems bizarre to me. That sequence is also a stand out moment in a game full of those. The events following your meeting with Ruby are a roller coaster of real things you have to deal with, and it almost makes you forget Harry's hosed up situation. You finally get to solve the case. You're finally finishing things up, and maybe you did all sorts of good for the city and yourself, but oh wait, now this is happening and will happen every day forever? Holy shitballs. It does such a tremendous job of explaining the protag's behavior before the game.
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Jan 24, 2020 10:48
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Has anyone else stopped and enjoyed the cold weather falling down on you since playing the game, or am I just insane? I did it before this game, but I am glad people are able to find out how good that feels thanks to it. Finding beauty in the small things.
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Jan 24, 2020 10:55
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bobtheconqueror posted:I feel like the whole dream/ex-something/Dolores bit was crazy foreshadowed. The idea of that coming out of nowhere seems bizarre to me. Waypoint's take is amazingly bad. Austin, the video game writing is great guy, thought it wasn't great st first, was convinced to continue, and then liked it but his main criticism was 'it portrays politics well but a game which laughs at centrism should pick a side'. It's like, bro, do you need the box to literally say 'btw socialism is good'? Being able to miss that particular bit of the game's outlook requires obliviousness and ignorance I thought only chuds like the banned guy in this thread were capable of. Now they make casts talking about it for three hours? It reeks of 'oh poo poo, this game we do not understand is a loving hit with our readers uhhhh we gotta pretend we get it.' I normally like Austin but it feels loving pathetic.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:38
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DE is basically completely alien to people who get paid to write about video games who are all bourgie centrists whose parents got them the next best thing to do-nothing jobs but are also completely obsessed with social media because it's the only aspect of their lives that has any real challenge and variety
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Jan 24, 2020 11:46
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dex_sda posted:Waypoint's take is amazingly bad. Austin, the video game writing is great guy, thought it wasn't great st first, was convinced to continue, and then liked it but his main criticism was 'it portrays politics well but a game which laughs at centrism should pick a side'. It's like, bro, do you need the box to literally say 'btw socialism is good'? Being able to miss that particular bit of the game's outlook requires obliviousness and ignorance I thought only chuds like the banned guy in this thread were capable of. Austin Walker has been furiously doubling down on his 30-minutes'-play take that it's basically South Park because he doesn't want to say he was wrong, pretty much.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:50
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Ghost Leviathan posted:DE is basically completely alien to people who get paid to write about video games who are all bourgie centrists whose parents got them the next best thing to do-nothing jobs but are also completely obsessed with social media because it's the only aspect of their lives that has any real challenge and variety It's especially amazing because the writing takes cues from twitter (voices chime in with their snappy hot takes under 140 chars very often) so twitter liberals get really confused. Unfortunately that is what games journalists are, but what do you expect from a profession so privileged it can consume entertainment for a living.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:51
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dex_sda posted:It's especially amazing because the writing takes cues from twitter (voices chime in with their snappy hot takes under 140 chars very often) so twitter liberals get really confused. Unfortunately that is what games journalists are, but what do you expect from a profession so privileged it can consume entertainment for a living. Been said that DE is basically a liberal's very own Silent Hill. They can't deal with Cuno. I want to hear their takes on Sunday Friend.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:53
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Been said that DE is basically a liberal's very own Silent Hill. They can't deal with Cuno. I want to hear their takes on Sunday Friend.
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Jan 24, 2020 11:58
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Austin Walker correctly identified Sunday Friend as monstrous but in the same article wrote about how moralists are just well-meaning but ineffectual centrists, which feels like a very basic misreading of the world presented by the game (not to mention the actual world we live in).
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Jan 24, 2020 12:20
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John Charity Spring posted:Austin Walker correctly identified Sunday Friend as monstrous but in the same article wrote about how moralists are just well-meaning but ineffectual centrists, which feels like a very basic misreading of the world presented by the game (not to mention the actual world we live in). Part of being a liberal in the 2020s is the pathological inability to connect certain dots
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Jan 24, 2020 12:24
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dex_sda posted:Waypoint's take is amazingly bad. Austin, the video game writing is great guy, thought it wasn't great st first, was convinced to continue, and then liked it but his main criticism was 'it portrays politics well but a game which laughs at centrism should pick a side'. It's like, bro, do you need the box to literally say 'btw socialism is good'? Being able to miss that particular bit of the game's outlook requires obliviousness and ignorance I thought only chuds like the banned guy in this thread were capable of. What gets me is the developers lived in the Soviet Bloc, so they've heard all the talk of revolution and change before. The Waypoints guys critique them for not offering something more, and seem to not realize that. Like, my dad, who had to flee soviet Romania because he pissed off the dictator's wife, used to call Communism a "dream", and I suspect he wasn't simply being negative with that phrasing; he viewed it as admirable but didn't think truly achieving it was possible.
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Jan 24, 2020 12:30
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John Charity Spring posted:Austin Walker correctly identified Sunday Friend as monstrous but in the same article wrote about how moralists are just well-meaning but ineffectual centrists, which feels like a very basic misreading of the world presented by the game (not to mention the actual world we live in). lmfao, just as foretold
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Jan 24, 2020 12:39
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Mr. Lobe posted:Part of being a liberal in the 2020s is the pathological inability to connect certain dots I mean, it takes a special kind of brain to think the Dora dream - a thing that is a major theme of the game foreshadowed on a dozen occassions with writing that emphasizes rephrasing and repeating the information so you absorb it - comes out of nowhere. The proof is in the pudding
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Jan 24, 2020 12:41
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Austin seems to want the game to point out a gameplan and I think that's such a weird thing to ask of art. It's impossible to come out of it without seeing it as pro-Communism, although it's deeply critical of Socialism, since it was developed by Estonians, and I don't think Austin missed that, but he craves some sort of final answer on what the Good Strategy should be. I think if you're making that sort of ultimate statement you're probably full of poo poo. Plus it doesn't fit a game that's very much character-driven. Honestly I think he isn't bothered by that aspect because he's a liberal, quite the opposite, he's an American Communist through and through, and any sort of jaded approach to being a communist tends to be met with strong rejection by those.
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Jan 24, 2020 13:01
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Dias posted:
Nonsense, there's plenty of jaded American communists, they're just the ones who have been doing nonelectoral organizing work for at least a couple of years
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Jan 24, 2020 13:13
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imo Austin is a very intelligent and well-spoken dude, but even intelligent and well-spoken dudes sometimes can't see the forest for the trees.
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Jan 24, 2020 14:03
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The actual timing on the Last Dream is kind of awkward, considering how many people missed it because 'this doesn't seem like a good time for a nap'. The actual Last Dream itself is a really important moment and that it's coming is well foreshadowed.
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Jan 24, 2020 14:08
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It's also fair to point out that the game is not exactly showcasing Communist Harry in the best light either. I mean, here's one of the quotes from one of the Skills on Harry's behavior:quote:You keep saying things like *down with the bourgeoisie*, *eat the rich*, *sodomise the land-owners*, *impale all people who have more than 25 reál in their pocket*, *literally murder all human beings regardless of their political beliefs* -- that kind of stuff It's very clearly over-the-top and absurdist. Various communist responses involve an utterly asocial response to many situations in the most communisty way possible, up to and including things like telling a child how people were shot because they were the bourgeoisie, insisting to Sunday Friend that classic "real communism hasn't been tried yet", and asserting the impending rise of the working class in revolt in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Maybe a lot of people on twitter don't notice that because twitter is full of lunatics who use the same language. Obviously the developers are leftists who shout out Marx and Engels, but they're also taking the piss out of communist zealotry, and possibly implying that Harry's communist bent, like all of his over-the-top possible politics, are an elaborate coping mechanism and/or evidence of his "eccentricity".
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Jan 24, 2020 14:24
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John Charity Spring posted:Austin Walker has been furiously doubling down on his 30-minutes'-play take that it's basically South Park because he doesn't want to say he was wrong, pretty much. My hot take: All the recent Twitterati hand-wringing about how South Park is literally a fascist indoctrination tool is also extremely dumb bullshit.
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Jan 24, 2020 14:52
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Xanderkish posted:It's also fair to point out that the game is not exactly showcasing Communist Harry in the best light either. I mean, here's one of the quotes from one of the Skills on Harry's behavior: Aren’t all the political responses absurdist and asocial regardless of flavor?
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Jan 24, 2020 15:02
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ConfusedPig posted:Aren’t all the political responses absurdist and asocial regardless of flavor? Absolutely. It's also not endorsing their particilar points of view either. Like an unreliable narrator, Harry's an unreliable idealist.
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Jan 24, 2020 15:06
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Megazver posted:My hot take: All the recent Twitterati hand-wringing about how South Park is literally a fascist indoctrination tool is also extremely dumb bullshit. Is that a thing? Cause it's extremely loving stupid if so
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dex_sda posted:Is that a thing? Cause it's extremely loving stupid if so look into your heart it's 2020 ofc it's a thing
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Jan 24, 2020 15:10
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Xanderkish posted:It's also fair to point out that the game is not exactly showcasing Communist Harry in the best light either. I mean, here's one of the quotes from one of the Skills on Harry's behavior: It's also undercut when you reach the island, where a real communist talks about the bourgeoisie and Harry chimes in with "Oh!!! I'm a communist too!! Isn't communism great comrade??" and he completely shuts you down for being a "communist" living in Revachol. You and him have nothing alike, as you promote a socialist movement working with the capitalist/centrist state that he risked his life to fight and accepted exile from society so he could still only view the capitalists from the scope of a gun.
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thecluckmeme posted:It's also undercut when you reach the island, where a real communist talks about the bourgeoisie and Harry chimes in with "Oh!!! I'm a communist too!! Isn't communism great comrade??" and he completely shuts you down for being a "communist" living in Revachol. You and him have nothing alike, as you promote a socialist movement working with the capitalist/centrist state that he risked his life to fight and accepted exile from society so he could still only view the capitalists from the scope of a gun. That's another thing! The only true communist in the game is loving nuts. He deserted during the revolution, and was so traumatized and overwhelmed with guilt that he recommitted after it was clear it already failed, hiding out among the ruins of the old bunker and arbitrarily sniping at people, convincing himself it's for the (now failed) cause when it's often out of his own petty emotions. The most loyal and "idealistic" person in the game is a direct cause of the game's problems. If anything, the targets of this game's ire are those who put other human lives below their own abstract ideologies and/or their personal quests for power.
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Jan 24, 2020 15:39
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I'm glad I missed the dream & the phone call on my first play through, they are interesting and well done but the story is much happier without it, I prefer that "my" Harry was all over all that and got his poo poo together.
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Jan 24, 2020 15:42
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Xanderkish posted:That's another thing! The only true communist in the game is loving nuts. Exactly. At the end of it all, there's no real representation of Good Communism because it has been stamped out by centralism and capitalism from the start. The best you get is barely clinging to the concepts, but also there's a giant loving bug monster poisoning his brain until all that's left of him is a husk that will no-true-scotsman anybody claiming to be a leftist because he is the last true leftist, withering away as society keeps on trucking without him. It's not necessarily a condemnation of Communism by any means, but rather the fractured state it exists in, and it's presented in a way that reinforces the idea that actions are required to push for an ideology, not just blindly claiming it.
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Doesn't The Deserter start ranting about pederasty at some point? I never really got the idea that he was supposed to be very sympathetic, more a relic of a failed ideology.
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Broken Cog posted:Doesn't The Deserter start ranting about pederasty at some point? I never really got the idea that he was supposed to be very sympathetic, more a relic of a failed ideology. I didn't get the spoilered part in my playthrough, but I agree I don't think he's meant to be sympathetic. He thinks of himself as a tortured figure, but he's really just a creep spying on drug addicts loving
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Avalerion posted:I'm glad I missed the dream & the phone call on my first play through, they are interesting and well done but the story is much happier without it, I prefer that "my" Harry was all over all that and got his poo poo together. In all fairness, I believe you are able to tell her to basically gently caress off during both sequences.
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ConfusedPig posted:Aren’t all the political responses absurdist and asocial regardless of flavor? The fascism ones seem pretty on-point. The main difference is that TradCop doesn't have a politeness filter that keeps him from complaining about women and foreigners all the time in public. He's just doing that Richard Spencer rant 24/7.
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TommyGun85 posted:In all fairness, I believe you are able to tell her to basically gently caress off during both sequences. you are not. you can attempt to leave during the dream, and Volition, like all of your other skills, fail you
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Skellybones posted:The fascism ones seem pretty on-point. The main difference is that TradCop doesn't have a politeness filter that keeps him from complaining about women and foreigners all the time in public. He's just doing that Richard Spencer rant 24/7. I do like that if you've picked up the feminism thought you insist to yourself that fascism is just about foreigners, not women
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The only real communist in the game is Egg Head.
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HARDCORE!
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Broken Cog posted:Doesn't The Deserter start ranting about pederasty at some point? I never really got the idea that he was supposed to be very sympathetic, more a relic of a failed ideology.
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Xander77 posted:He has a lot of psycho-sexual hangups, but "billionaires are all about loving children" is pretty on point. That is not what I remember him talking about. He talks about how the commune legalized pederasty, and how he didn't question it because it was the "will of the people". It's not really a condemnation of him as a moral person, but more a window into his unwavering belief in the leadership. At least that's how I remember it, though truth be told it's been a while since I played, and I probably clicked through that dialogue fast.
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Wow I thought I hadn’t closed a tab and had a Boiler Room DJ set playing in the background but it was this song: https://youtu.be/7-TncOSX-pY I’ve been trying to find it for a while
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Broken Cog posted:That is not what I remember him talking about. He talks about how the commune legalized pederasty
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