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Drunkboxer posted:What if... and bear with me here, this is going to get a little wild, Mister Spock (Mr. Star Track himself) is an epic badass who’s PISSED! Also it turns out he has a cool nephew or something. That sounds loving awesome. I just hope they get away from the boring space politics for nerds that turned off mainstream audiences and take Trek back to its roots!
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Grand Fromage posted:Yep. That mention of ten thousand evacuation ships sounds like a lot but it's not even close to sufficient for the scale of disaster they're dealing with. What if they’re like, really friggen huge ships?
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- Dahj's "death" seemed a little odd to me. It's as if the stuff the Romulan spat on her (blood?) started eating her away like acid, paralyzing her so she couldn't move away from the overloading disruptor. I think she did have time to move otherwise. I'm also not sure she's really gone. "Didn't appear on the security footage" and "didn't find any remains" seems highly suspicious, especially given that the assassins are explicitly using highly accurate and fast transporter tech. The tie-in comic establishes that Laris and Zhaban, the Romulans with Picard, are agents of the Tal Shiar.  Romulans were behind the attack on Dahj. Probably Tal Shiar. The attack was in San Franscisco, but Picard somehow mysteriously ends up back at his home in France, trusting the word of said Tal Shiar agents. I guess Starfleet security didn't want to question him about the attack on their campus? The other twin is with the Romulans on the Borg cube. The Tal Shiar agents likely went with Picard to keep tabs on him knowing that the synths like Dahj would end up contacting Picard. They probably know this because they've kidnapped Bruce Maddox and are using him to make synths using Lore's neurons, which are the ones that attacked Mars. Laris and Zhaban did something to spook Dahj, which is why she left in the middle of the night. They informed Romulan security of Picard's location when he went to San Franscisco and attacked as soon as they had a chance. Laris and Zhaban successfully kidnapped Dahj, got rid of the bodies and blood somehow, and beamed Picard to his chateau before he could be questioned. This theory could completely fall apart next episode when Picard presumably goes to Starfleet with his request. We'll see how much they know about the attack then. Wouldn't an attack on Starfleet Headquarters have them on the highest security alert possible? With an explosion as big as there is in the episode, no way they couldn't have detected it.
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Delthalaz posted:That sounds loving awesome. I just hope they get away from the boring space politics for nerds that turned off mainstream audiences and take Trek back to its roots! https://youtu.be/02LgdXVkXgM
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Jan 24, 2020 19:27
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Delthalaz posted:..and take Trek back to its roots! Space racism against folks with pointy ears? I'm wondering how the Romulans managed to evict the Borg so they could take over that cube. Or was it just left derelict, like the cube that crashed on Earth back in Enterprise? Making Dahj and her twin at the same time in production makes sense.. one is literally a backup of the other. Puh-lease don't let this involve Control from Discovery..
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Jan 24, 2020 19:30
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Hahaha that video aged poorly
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Jan 24, 2020 19:31
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Binary Badger posted:Space racism against folks with pointy ears? If some combination of Hugh’s independence and whatever Admiral Janeway did in Endgame had crippled the Borg, they could have been disorganized and disconnected when the Romulans found them. Easy pickings, especially when your back is against the wall after Hobus and you have nothing left to lose.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:32
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Binary Badger posted:Puh-lease don't let this involve Control from Discovery.. I'm still worried that they'll use this to set up Discovery season 3 and the Section 31 show. I'm going to cringe the second I hear the words "Section 31" on this show.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:33
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They've implied something major happened to the Borg between now and the last time we saw them, which is presumably going to be explained since we saw stuff about people getting unborged in the trailers.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:39
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Binary Badger posted:Space racism against folks with pointy ears? https://youtu.be/yegz2PSdd3U
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There's also the aftermath of Unimatrix One from Voyager, when all those drones got together in Borg cyberspace to kick back and enjoy life as it was before being assimilated, and ending with a bunch of former Borg drones rebelling against the Queen's collective; maybe this cube took too much damage during a rebellion skirmish and was abandoned.
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Binary Badger posted:There's also the aftermath of Unimatrix One from Voyager, when all those drones got together in Borg cyberspace to kick back and enjoy life as it was before being assimilated, and ending with a bunch of former Borg drones rebelling against the Queen's collective; maybe this cube took too much damage during a rebellion skirmish and was abandoned. I hate everything Voyager did with the Borg. Picard gets assimilated and he has life long PTSD about it. Janeway and friends get assimilated and three days later everything is cool.
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I was very impressed, this is some of the best television i have seen during the last 12 months. This could be DS9 at it`s best level good. Just the rigth level of edge to it, not grimdark but a tense and a little bit wounded mood to it. But remember that the Walking Dead also had a amazing pilot episode...
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Grand Fromage posted:They've implied something major happened to the Borg between now and the last time we saw them, which is presumably going to be explained since we saw stuff about people getting unborged in the trailers. Hopefully they somehow un-ruin them Rhyno posted:I hate everything Voyager did with the Borg. Picard gets assimilated and he has life long PTSD about it. Janeway and friends get assimilated and three days later everything is cool. Picard has the compassion of the Buddha himself; Janeway is a clinical textbook psychopath
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Grand Fromage posted:They've implied something major happened to the Borg between now and the last time we saw them, which is presumably going to be explained since we saw stuff about people getting unborged in the trailers. Wait til Ensign Lynch hears about this
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Jan 24, 2020 19:46
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Cojawfee posted:Wait til Ensign Lynch hears about this There was no way to save him.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:48
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Rhyno posted:I hate everything Voyager did with the Borg. Picard gets assimilated and he has life long PTSD about it. Janeway and friends get assimilated and three days later everything is cool. to be fair they assimilated picard and then made him massacre hundreds (thousands?) of his friends and colleagues en mass. I think that's a lot more traumatic than the "in and out in a single episode" bullshit voyager did.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:49
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:to be fair they assimilated picard and then made him massacre hundreds (thousands?) of his friends and colleagues en mass. I think that's a lot more traumatic than the "in and out in a single episode" bullshit voyager did. Easily thousands
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:to be fair they assimilated picard and then made him massacre hundreds (thousands?) of his friends and colleagues en mass. I think that's a lot more traumatic than the "in and out in a single episode" bullshit voyager did. Also Picard was taken unwillingly by the Borg and had his humanity forcibly ripped away. Janeway got herself voluntarily assimilated as a part of her plan from the beginning and had a doodad in her brain that blocked out the Hive Mind and kept her free will intact. It was still dumb as poo poo in hindsight, but a completely different situation from Picard becoming Locutus.
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That's fair. Voyager was still bad.
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Wow yeah 11k at the battle of Wolf 359 according to sperg-alpha. Just how many mirandas did they blow up?
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Wow yeah 11k at the battle of Wolf 359 according to sperg-alpha. Just how many mirandas did they blow up? Miranda Classes are like hydra heads. You blow one of them up, two more spring into existence fully crewed and ready to be blown up themselves.
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Wow yeah 11k at the battle of Wolf 359 according to sperg-alpha. Just how many mirandas did they blow up? Technically some of those were Soyuz-class ships, which are a distinct variation of the Miranda-class. 
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I think like 39 ships were lost in Wolf 359
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Gamma ray radiation being deadly in a radius of many light-years is accurate, but the problem is that it moves at the speed of light STO solved this I think by saying the Romulans or Remans or Tal Shiar or whoever did something to Hobus and it exploded at warp speed, so the Romulan Empire had hours or days before the Supernova's effects were felt instead of years or decades. I mean, the real answer is that J.J. Abrams does not understand how big space is and consistently fucks up interstellar scales no matter what series he's directing, but at least he does good action scenes right?
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think like 39 ships were lost in Wolf 359 The USS Kitbash A through Lambda were sadly lost to the Borg
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Why is the Federation more traumatized by this dumb “synth” attack on Mars than the galaxy threatening Dominion War with literal shape shifting 5th column conspirators and a major attack on earth itself?
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Delthalaz posted:Why is the Federation more traumatized by this dumb “synth” attack on Mars than the galaxy threatening Dominion War with literal shape shifting 5th column conspirators and a major attack on earth itself? If the entire shipyards were wiped out, and Mars is "still on fire to this day," how did only 90,000 people die?
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nine-gear crow posted:Miranda Classes are like hydra heads. You blow one of them up, two more spring into existence fully crewed and ready to be blown up themselves. I was watching some first contact clips (IF YOU WERE ANY OTHER MAN I WOULD KILL YOU WHERE YOU STAND) yesterday and there are loving Mirandas at the Battle of Sector 001 lol One of the things that hosed me up when I was a kid is in BoBW pt.2 where the cube enters our system and the Mars defense picket ships go after it and the cube just murks them 1-2-3. I always thought about those poor dudes.
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MichiganCubbie posted:If the entire shipyards were wiped out, and Mars is "still on fire to this day," how did only 90,000 people die? Transporters Future Space Medicine Honestly where the people lived was probably shielded and underground and poo poo since they were building prototype warp cores and whatnot at the shipyards. Lots of robots doing poo poo, but they don't count exocomps and retired EMHs in the death toll
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MichiganCubbie posted:If the entire shipyards were wiped out, and Mars is "still on fire to this day," how did only 90,000 people die? Really good transporter evacuation system? (The real answer is Star Trek always gets scale wrong.)
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How many people live on Mars anyway?
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Binary Badger posted:Space racism against folks with pointy ears? What if the cube is the same one that got impacted by Hugh's individuality outbreak way back when, and had been drifting derelict until recently?
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Delthalaz posted:How many people live on Mars anyway? Never stated, but Memory Beta has the population in the EU stuff as 133 million. Which seems low but given like every other colony we see is three people sitting around a fountain I guess is large by Trek standards.
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Low compared to colonies but Mars isn't M-class.
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MikeJF posted:Low compared to colonies but Mars isn't M-class. Yeah can't be many who would choose to live on Mars when they have tons of colonies on lovely class M planets. Also lol at the dad in the short trek saying he won't be back from Mars for a year. Surely that's a very short trip, few hours max, they don't give you any days off?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:What if the cube is the same one that got impacted by Hugh's individuality outbreak way back when, and had been drifting derelict until recently? Would be cool if they have individualized borg people walking around working on the cube.
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MikeJF posted:Low compared to colonies but Mars isn't M-class. Why terraform mars when you can go squat on a nice planet in the neutral zone
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With the green stuff Romulan blood is green, but from how his jaw sort of turned to ash I assumed he bit down on a Thalaron capsule and spit out the blood to spread it to her and the disruptor.
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