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Grand Fromage posted:We killed it in 2016. I have still never managed to beat that guy. My game has been stuck there for years.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:21
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God mode, there's more game! The second fight in hell is the toughest fight in the game. I only ever got past it once legitimately and god moded the other times, it's total bullshit.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:22
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Grand Fromage posted:We killed it in 2016. There's always been more in Doom! 
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Jan 24, 2020 19:25
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Is that the worms in exoskeletons one? Haven't seen any of those in eternal yet.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:26
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I absolutely love the hell guard fight, it's probably my favorite fight in doom 2016. The first guy splatted me once, then I managed to take him down and was like "oh that wasn't so bad" Then the game's like "congrats, your reward is now you get to fight TWO OF THEM  " and instead of feeling cheap, it felt loving awesome and I actually laughed IRLIt's my favorite fight to the degree that if I get the urge to play a quick level of doom 2016 that's the one I'll load up every time. The Necropolis is a fun map and that boss fight is just 
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Jan 24, 2020 19:29
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Grand Fromage posted:God mode, there's more game! The second fight in hell is the toughest fight in the game. I only ever got past it once legitimately and god moded the other times, it's total bullshit. I don't remember having that much trouble with him. I died several times but only because the game was like 'hey buddy how about a puzzle boss' out of nowhere. Once you see all his attack patterns it should be clear how to dodge them, unless I'm blocking out some RNG bullshit, it's been a minute since I've done that fight.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:32
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Takes No Damage posted:I don't remember having that much trouble with him. I died several times but only because the game was like 'hey buddy how about a puzzle boss' out of nowhere. Once you see all his attack patterns it should be clear how to dodge them, unless I'm blocking out some RNG bullshit, it's been a minute since I've done that fight. It's not random but if you slightly mistime a single jump you're basically hosed. I ain't got time for that nonsense.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:36
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The doom 2016 boss fights were very  and I loved that about them
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Jan 24, 2020 19:39
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not random but if you slightly mistime a single jump you're basically hosed. I ain't got time for that nonsense. That's it exactly. I just couldn't get through it all without making a mistake or two. I should really try it again.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:42
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Just shoot the BFG and open the weapon select screen. Duh
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Jan 24, 2020 19:43
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BFG->gauss cannon (siege mode) while its stunned shuts down the cyberdemon hard (on the first part, at least).
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Jan 24, 2020 19:45
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the cyberdemon fight is mean cuz if you dont know theres a round 2 youre like hell yeah eat bfg, and then round 2 starts and you have no bfg ammo lol
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Jan 24, 2020 19:54
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Yeah I just replayed it and wasted my BFG ammo on the first phase and was left with none for the second phase because I forgot about it and there is a checkpoint. Cyberdemon wasn't as bad as Spider mastermind though. Took me like 60+ tries on nightmare cause I suck and it is hard. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Jan 24, 2020 20:00
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site posted:the cyberdemon fight is mean cuz if you dont know theres a round 2 youre like hell yeah eat bfg, and then round 2 starts and you have no bfg ammo lol Oh yeah, forgot about this until you mentioned it.
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Jan 24, 2020 20:01
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wafflemoose posted:Isn't QC a microtransaction and lootbox infested mess though? If I wanted to go play an arena shooter I'll go reinstall Quake III Arena or Unreal Tournament Old games may be a pain to get set up working correctly on a modern OS, but at least they don't try to shove DLC down your throat while trying to nickle and dime you. Its has micros and loot boxes but... they're entirely cosmetic so you can 100% ignore them If you play free2play you're limited to which characters you can play. Can slowly unlock them for free. Or you can buy the game, unlock everybody, and never spend another dollar, just like quake 3 old school boxed games. Eternal won't have deathmatch are you not listening?
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Jan 24, 2020 20:01
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Vikar Jerome posted:sorry i meant in regards to doom 4, shoulda been more specific. doom 4, that wasnt deathmatch imo. the limited two weapon sets and poo poo like that. That's quake champions!! Again... read my last post dude. It has 90s style rocket arena with weapons scattered around. You can play that RIGHT NOW, for free. Please do!
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Jan 24, 2020 20:03
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Zaphod42 posted:Eternal won't have deathmatch are you not listening? Well, not right away. It's possible they add one in way after the fact. And if they introduce modding tools (  ) I feel like that'll be one of the very first things that gets made
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Jan 24, 2020 20:03
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Doom Eternal looks amazing and I'll probably end up enjoying it more than "bigger" games like Cyberpunk if I'm being honest, but its level design really does look like its predecessor's, a bunch of combat arenas connected by platforming challenges. And it does make me wonder if we'll get back to the old-Doom school of mapmaking outside of indie throwbacks.
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Jan 24, 2020 20:08
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For what it's worth, Hugo Martin said 2016 relied too much on combat arenas and they reduced that in Eternal. There still are some.
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Jan 24, 2020 20:10
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Grand Fromage posted:For what it's worth, Hugo Martin said 2016 relied too much on combat arenas and they reduced that in Eternal. There still are some. Hmmmm, the videos they've released make it look similar, but I guess I'll see for myself in a couple months.
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Jan 24, 2020 20:13
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I suspect a combat arena makes better trailer fodder so we've seen a disproportionate amount of that.
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Jan 24, 2020 20:14
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Mordja posted:Doom Eternal looks amazing and I'll probably end up enjoying it more than "bigger" games like Cyberpunk if I'm being honest, but its level design really does look like its predecessor's, a bunch of combat arenas connected by platforming challenges. And it does make me wonder if we'll get back to the old-Doom school of mapmaking outside of indie throwbacks. Only us  want doom mapmaking. Most people get tired and frustrated if they ever get lost for 5 minutes.We need a dark souls like FPS to galvanize the FPS industry but I don't see it happening. And publishers are all too risk averse to try. So only indie throwbacks 
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Jan 24, 2020 20:20
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Zaphod42 posted:Only us
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Jan 24, 2020 20:23
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im just anxious for fights that arent: wave 1- 10 imps, wave 2- 2 cybermancubi, 2 cacos, 2 hell knights, wave 3- 1 or more barons
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Jan 24, 2020 20:25
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Mordja posted:I mean, they don't even have to be as labyrinthine as Doom's, but I miss the combat flow through the map rather than the start-and-stop of most new shooters. Ah, I think that's more a consequence of the game mechanics. Sometimes games like halo or call of duty stop you, but doom 4 honestly probably did that more than call of duty. The problem is bullet speed, player speed, enemy accuracy and health regen all push you to duck behind cover and slowly pop off shots. The level design isn't the real issue there.
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Jan 24, 2020 20:26
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Mordja posted:Hmmmm, the videos they've released make it look similar, but I guess I'll see for myself in a couple months. I think they mean it relies less on going to a mostly empty area and triggering a gauntlet via pressing a button. The game is pretty arena like in nature. It looks like this one is more in line with the parts in 2016 where you just stumble onto the demons as you progress.
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Jan 24, 2020 20:29
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People that didn't like Doom 2016 basically played like the Polygon guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pQ0oO_cDE
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Jan 24, 2020 21:38
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If they put in the classic Cyberdemon as a generic boss-type enemy, which is exactly what it was Doom 2, but they decide to call it the "Tyrant" instead, I am pretty sure I can live with that.
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Jan 24, 2020 22:04
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Im pretty sure I can too. I thought the lore text in 2016 said the cyberdemon was a tyrant that they upgraded with UAC tech because of course they did.
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Jan 24, 2020 23:48
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site posted:the cyberdemon fight is mean cuz if you dont know theres a round 2 youre like hell yeah eat bfg, and then round 2 starts and you have no bfg ammo lol Grand Fromage posted:For what it's worth, Hugo Martin said 2016 relied too much on combat arenas and they reduced that in Eternal. There still are some.
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Jan 24, 2020 23:55
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Probably because calling a much smaller,different looking enemy the Cyberdemon after it was a giant boss in 2016 wouldn't make sense for people who hadn't played Doom 2. On the plus side they look just like the old ones now.
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Jan 24, 2020 23:55
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As long as we can't glory kill the cyberdemon. we can only shoot it until it dies
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Jan 25, 2020 00:40
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Guillermus posted:People that didn't like Doom 2016 basically played like the Polygon guy: Hugo Martin watched this video and said that it inspired much of the design of Eternal because holy poo poo this dude never should have made it out of the Imp Room.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:02
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Hugo Martin watched this video and said that it inspired much of the design of Eternal because holy poo poo this dude never should have made it out of the Imp Room. I played Doom both on PC and PS4 and while I vastly prefer mouse and keyboard, any player that is used to play with a controller should play better than this, more so if your loving job is related to videogames. If Doomy Turtle filters this kind of players is gonna be hilarious to read/watch complains like the usual Souls/Sekiro ones.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:15
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Guillermus posted:I played Doom both on PC and PS4 and while I vastly prefer mouse and keyboard, any player that is used to play with a controller should play better than this, more so if your loving job is related to videogames. If Doomy Turtle filters this kind of players is gonna be hilarious to read/watch complains like the usual Souls/Sekiro ones. Hugo has also publicly pointed out Sekiro and Spider-Man as games that will straight up fail you until you learn how to play them correctly.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:20
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I’ve been watching interviews with Hugo lately and that dude is the loving man.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:22
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Guillermus posted:I played Doom both on PC and PS4 and while I vastly prefer mouse and keyboard, any player that is used to play with a controller should play better than this, more so if your loving job is related to videogames. If Doomy Turtle filters this kind of players is gonna be hilarious to read/watch complains like the usual Souls/Sekiro ones. Lucky for the games journalists out there DOOM Eternal does have an easy mode
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Jan 25, 2020 01:26
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He loves Miyazaki games, during NoClip's docummentary about Doom 2016 he said (and Marty) played A LOT of Bloodborne, now it's Sekiro and telling that people playing badly shouldn't get past the first arena of Doom. Buckle up mates, we're in for a wild ride.AnEdgelord posted:Lucky for the games journalists out there DOOM Eternal does have an easy mode They will complain that the game is too unforgiving and ask for an easy mode like they did with Sekiro, yet they were already playing it on easy. Then everyone tell these journalists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfITIncaE1w Guillermus fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Jan 25, 2020 01:26
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Grand Fromage posted:For what it's worth, Hugo Martin said 2016 relied too much on combat arenas and they reduced that in Eternal. There still are some. This would be good. I found the monster arenas a bit tiring in 2016, butni think part of it was not having to load as many models at once no?
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I wouldn't even mind the occasional arena but the gore nests got a bit dull by the end
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