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The IT systems of the big banks are all built on a massive, creaky architecture of layer upon layer of software, with the bottom layers often dating back to the 1970's. It's much too difficult and expensive to replace it all, so they just apply patch after patch and hope that the whole mess more or less keeps sticking together. For example, HSBC's first IT processes were set up using Fortran, in 118 a.d.
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Pistol_Pete posted:The IT systems of the big banks are all built on a massive, creaky architecture of layer upon layer of software, with the bottom layers often dating back to the 1970's. It's much too difficult and expensive to replace it all, so they just apply patch after patch and hope that the whole mess more or less keeps sticking together. Not just banks but also for example airlines. A friend (age over 60) was kept on by a large airline company until very recently as one of only 2 or 3 people who knew how to work the creaking, ancient computer mainframe running some legacy software. Not sure what language. Maybe COBOL?
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Jan 25, 2020 11:02
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Not just banks but also for example airlines. A friend (age over 60) was kept on by a large airline company until very recently as one of only 2 or 3 people who knew how to work the creaking, ancient computer mainframe running some legacy software. Not sure what language. Maybe COBOL? It's the early adopter problem - airlines and banks were the first to start really using computers on a large scale so by the time cheap micros started entering the market they already had a decade or two of not only their IT systems but their entire business being built around IBM 360s or DEC PDPs, meaning that it's much more expensive for them to rebuild everything than to just keep buggering on with what they've got. There's a cottage industry of virtual machines (with attendant greybeards) still keeping this stuff running and interfacing with more modern systems.
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Jan 25, 2020 11:15
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Chuff McNothing posted:why would labour do this!? I blame Jeremiah Crobyn
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Would the nationalist wing of al-Qaida be called Homebase? 
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How much truth is there in the idea presented in The Power Of Nightmares that it was all made up by an American grass to get out of trouble?
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Jan 25, 2020 11:31
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Hey I remember reading a quote here about how the man down the pub is a fascist or something? Along those lines anyway. Anybody know what I'm on about 'cause google hasn't got a clue.
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Saith posted:Hey I remember reading a quote here about how the man down the pub is a fascist or something? Along those lines anyway. Anybody know what I'm on about 'cause google hasn't got a clue. Probably Kelvin MacKenzie talking about the readers of the Sun quote:You just don't understand the readers, do you, eh? He's the bloke you see in the pub, a right old fascist, wants to send the wogs back, buy his poxy council house, he's afraid of the unions, afraid of the Russians, hates the queers and the weirdos and drug dealers. He doesn't want to hear about that stuff (serious news)
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What the heck did they expect? Tories have been squeezing labour councils for years but labour getting the blame. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/austerity-cuts-local-services-boris-johnson-funding-workington-stoke-grimsby-a9301281.html quote:Poorer areas that backed Tories face fresh funding cuts as cash switched to wealthy southern regions
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Guavanaut posted:How much truth is there in the idea presented in The Power Of Nightmares that it was all made up by an American grass to get out of trouble? It's sort-of correct - the FBI represented AQ as a monolithic enterprise, rather than several dozen small groups that happened to intersect with bin Laden/KSM, in order to use laws originally deigned to be used against the Mafia to prosecute the WTC bombers in the 90s. The uncertainty was how much the FBI believed this to be actually the case and whether they misrepresented it deliberately. (God there's a load of acronyms in that post, I must be a serious Tier 1 Operator)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What the heck did they expect? i think i posted a couple of years back how it was a deliberate policy mostly to make people in those areas hate labour and it clearly worked
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dispatch_async posted:Probably Kelvin MacKenzie talking about the readers of the Sun That's the one, cheers.
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Darth Walrus posted:You're falling into the trap of pure electoralism here. Don't look at the image they give off, look at how they will materially reconnect the Labour Party with voters. RLB bringing in open selection and endorsing the Preston model (and being endorsed by Preston CLP) is pretty significant. The reason people are supporting Starmer over RLB at the moment is because they both appear pretty mediocre, but Starmer is pitching himself as someone with the image of a white male establishment figure but who is also a radical, so can win back voters and bring the change labour members want. Meanwhile RLB has just pitched herself as basically more of the past five years (or at least has not fought nearly hard enough to dispell that impression generated by the media, and has actively encouraged it in many ways e.g. giving JC 10/10 was a loving stupid thing to say). RLB's initial strategy seemed to be gambling that people would stick behind the JC model, or at least get behind the candidate who is most likely to carry on the same path, but this fundamentally missed the fact that lots of lefties blame the team around JC for the catastrophic election defeat, and everyone is aware that RLB appears to have a lot of the same/similar people around her and supporting her. This is reinforced by how lacklustre her campaign has been so far, vs. Starmer's very well-executed and coordinated start (e.g. the first thing Starmer did was to get a reassuring 'Labour needs to be radical' article in the Graun, addressing off the bat the main concern members will have, that he's a not-so-secret melt). Like I said, either would be pretty mediocre I think, but RLB has done herself few favours so far. The whole 'looking prime ministerial' thing is unfortunately also important when thinking about the wider electorate. RLB could genuinely use a restyle. She kind of dresses like Theresa May half the time, for some reason; weirdly formal all the time. Starmer is a conventional looking middle aged white man so it's a thousand times easier for him, because that's how poo poo things still area in terms of political imagery at the moment. He's mostly campaigning in generic looking smart casual shirtsleeves. RLB's team could take a few leaves out of Jacinda Ardern's playbook in terms of presentation. RLB can still turn it around but there's little evidence so far that she/her team can get it together enough to do so. Starmer is weak on economic substance, which is crucial because it's also where the biggest element of mistrust is for him from the members. If you ask me RLB should be going around talking about the Green Industrial Revolution stuff she promoted in her conference speech last year. That was perhaps the best stuff in the manifesto and if Labour is to win the next election, we need someone leading who can beat them over the head with their poo poo economic record at every single opportunity and then explain our economic stage and educate the public as to why it would be transformational in their own lives. El Grillo fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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El Grillo posted:Lol at the idea that anyone outside a portion of the Labour membership gives two fucks about open selection or whatever the Preston model is. The Preston model is an approach to local government and community-building that saw Preston become one of the only Labour Leave seats to increase its vote-share in 2019. Maybe bother looking stuff up before you spew poorly-informed bollocks?
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She has been doing that about the GND, to Labour members at least. Remember that this is an election *by Labour members* so stuff like open selections that only members care about is actually important, or you fall into the Jess Flops trap of constantly trashing the members as idiots before suddenly realising you needed them to vote for you.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:IIRC it was the cryptonym for the mujahadeen compound in Tora Bora, and the FBI misunderstanding/deliberately misrepresenting this as the name of a large criminal organisation in the 90s WTC bombing trial led to it being applied to anyone who'd ever spoken to anyone who'd ever attended that compound. 
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Boris Johnson is the least "prime ministerial" looking actual prime minister since loving forever and the tories still got a big majority.
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Darth Walrus posted:The Preston model is an approach to local government and community-building that saw Preston become one of the only Labour Leave seats to increase its vote-share in 2019. Maybe bother looking stuff up before you spew poorly-informed bollocks? I mean, he's right in that I don't think it's gotten much traction outside a portion of the left, because lol Brexit. I would love that to be our main focus. Is RLB the only one discussing it? Seems a good fit for Lisa "Towns" Nandy.
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Guavanaut posted:Did they ever find his datacenter? It's like something out of James Bond. Didn't they find paperwork showing it was run like a company with different cells sending in detailed reports of income, expenditure etc? https://world.time.com/2013/12/29/al-qaeda-receipts-reveal-meticulous-accounting-habits/ quote:Documents discovered in a former al-Qaeda-linked building in Timbuktu, in northern Mali, reveal just how obsessive the international terrorist group can be when it comes to one thing: accounting. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Guavanaut posted:Did they ever find his datacenter? For a while hawks were claiming that the MOABs/FAEs they were dropping into random holes in the mountains were so effective they'd vaporised all traces of these complexes (yes, they claimed there were multiple Bond-villain bases in the mountains), which is why the poor bastards actually cleaning them out (and occasionally getting hosed over by booby traps left by retreating Taliban) were never finding anything more than the occasional empty ammo box.
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I actually remember the photoshops of that image when I first got on the internet. They must have mainly all been from SA.
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I don't know why anyone would think they'd build something like that under late capitalism when the alternative of "pay money to rent a bunch of commercial spaces from people who aren't otherwise paid enough to care that you're a a terror cell" is right there on the table. Other than that it gives the hawks an excuse to lob tallboys everywhere, of course, but anyone else.
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Guavanaut posted:Did they ever find his datacenter? I believe it was devilishly well disguised as a harmless home cinema complete with popcorn maker and fully stocked pick-n-mix counter.
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RLB is pitching GND policy about as hard as Starmer is, i.e., it's there but neither is trying very hard. Both brought it up in their opening op-eds. There doesn't seem to be a good reason for either to rock the boat, a point upon which Starmer has been particularly explicit https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1218513320610758656 The question is whether RLB will close the gap... I confess some surprise that YouGov is seeing Starmer increasing his lead, I would have expected Momentum's landslide endorsement to have boosted RLB some
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I cannot begin to imagine why you would expect momentum endorsing the continuity candidate would come as any sort of surprise to anyone in labour or that people who care about that endorsement would not already be voting for her.
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Too much of the membership which backed Corbyn is defaulting to thought processes like 'With Starmer the media will be less hostile and it'll be easier to have arguments about policy." which is just awful thinking. The radical left needs to be prepared to gather up the inevitable exodus of members who leave or just become completely inactive if Starmer wins when a) the attacks continue to obscure any policy discussion or the policies move back to Millibandism at best and b) the right starts purging anyone who fights against that. With Pidcock bigging up the Peoples Assembly recently I imagine that'll become the holding group for a lot of those people which is actually okay because it's a boring as poo poo group and so picking out members to join other more interesting groups should be fairly easy.
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because even amongst the selectorate there's not that much engagement or name recognition, and Momentum still has its mailing list
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ronya posted:because even amongst the selectorate there's not that much engagement or name recognition, and Momentum still has its mailing list Eh they hosed up by picking who the organisation NEC backs and then asking the membership for endorsement of that decision, it's a confusing announcement rather than a ringing endorsement.
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Darth Walrus posted:The Preston model is an approach to local government and community-building that saw Preston become one of the only Labour Leave seats to increase its vote-share in 2019. Maybe bother looking stuff up before you spew poorly-informed bollocks? Not So Fast posted:I mean, he's right in that I don't think it's gotten much traction outside a portion of the left, because lol Brexit. I would love that to be our main focus. Is RLB the only one discussing it? Seems a good fit for Lisa "Towns" Nandy. MikeCrotch posted:She has been doing that about the GND, to Labour members at least. Remember that this is an election *by Labour members* so stuff like open selections that only members care about is actually important, or you fall into the Jess Flops trap of constantly trashing the members as idiots before suddenly realising you needed them to vote for you. Hence Starmer; complete change of leadership team, superficially more qualified or more of a natural fit for the PM job, etc. etc. Could be disastrous if he wins (right now I really don't know who would be better/worse, I'm not particularly inspired by either) but that seems to be the way things are moving at the moment. There's a lot of time to April however.. ronya posted:RLB is pitching GND policy about as hard as Starmer is, i.e., it's there but neither is trying very hard. Both brought it up in their opening op-eds. RLB foolishly made the first big opening headline related to get campaign '10/10 for Corbyn' and is now trying for balance. Honestly one of the main negatives against RLB right now is that he campaign has been pretty bad so far. I hope she gets it together so at least there is more of an even playing field. I don't know about the Momentum endorsement, in general there seems to be a suspicion that whilst its members are a great asset to Labour's campaigning strength, the leadership is a bit isolated from the rest of the organisation? There seemed to be a lot of momentum people expressing anger at how the endorsement vote was conducted (yes/no for RLB) though that's only anecdotal from Twitter. I honestly think RLB is underestimating the level of disillusionment amongst members at the moment.
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El Grillo posted:Fair, should have googled it (I have read stuff about what they're doing there, just forgot/failed to connect that to 'the Preston Model'). But also, this: I'm a bit miffed that Unite didn't canvass the members (or if they did, I never got the email!) even though I would have gone for RLB - but I'm not inspired by any of the leader candidates. Still torn between Burgon (and his excellent musical tastes) and Butler. Edging towards Butler at the moment.
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ronya posted:because even amongst the selectorate there's not that much engagement or name recognition, and Momentum still has its mailing list At the moment it's less than impressive, has to be said. (ed: might just be where I am, maybe other local Momentum groups are organising more?) CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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ronya posted:There doesn't seem to be a good reason for either to rock the boat, a point upon which Starmer has been particularly explicit Oh gently caress, thats a real tweet. There is far too much about the Blair years to criticise and claiming we shouldn't out of fear of division is just begging to fail to learn from it. Starmer really coming out all melt to the surprise of no oval office who has paid attention
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Starmer has a problem now that Jess Phillips has dropped out and Lisa Nandy is trying to push her left wing credentials, especially by saying that New Labour made a mistake by being too Thatcherite. By saying that we shouldn't trash the last Labour government he is now firmly the most right wing candidate and the Blairite choice.
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Paperhouse posted:I'm quite confused about Nandy, seems to be either left or right depending on who's talking about her at the time Jones thought Nandy was the most left person who could win in 2015, obviously that's not the case today.
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ronya posted:RLB is pitching GND policy about as hard as Starmer is, i.e., it's there but neither is trying very hard. Both brought it up in their opening op-eds. lol he has the tucker carlson condition where he always has the same facial expression but the facial expression is "look, i'm sorry, yes, i know you're upset, but we had a good reason for doing it" which is an extremely strong posture vs bojo i wouldn't mind if nandy won atm but thats basically because i dont like kier or RLB and i dont know about nandy so she wins by default chestnut santabag posted:Boris Johnson is the least "prime ministerial" looking actual prime minister since loving forever and the tories still got a big majority. he looks like a fat inbred posho and he lies blatantly while looking you in the eye, so he's extremely prime ministerial looking imo Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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