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Darth Walrus posted:Good thread: christ i wish we had an AOC
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Communist Thoughts posted:christ i wish we had an AOC Who amongst the new blood looks good so far? Nadia Whittome and Zarah Sultana seem like good candidates.
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Jan 25, 2020 15:35
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We don't have a media interested in creating an AOC is why we don't have an AOC. There are a tonne of young pretty vaguely lefty WOC politicians they could crown if they wanted to. They don't.
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Jan 25, 2020 15:36
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thespaceinvader posted:We don't have a media interested in creating an AOC is why we don't have an AOC. There are a tonne of young pretty vaguely lefty WOC politicians they could crown if they wanted to. Getting open selection would help here. What really brought AOC to national prominence was that she knocked out the Dems' second in line for the House Speakership.
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Jan 25, 2020 15:45
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What's the difference between America's psychopathic capitalist unregulated hell media and Britain's?OwlFancier posted:He looks like a particularly stiff actor trying to portray fear. 
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Guavanaut posted:What's the difference between America's psychopathic capitalist unregulated hell media and Britain's? In the UK it was Corbyn first, I think our closest AOC equivalent would be Ash Sarkar in terms of young outspoken socialists. You can see a very similar media treatment between Corbyn and Bernie but AOC is a bit different because she's not the frontrunner for the top job. They hate her but they don't take her seriously. Hence why I'd probably say Ash is most similar.
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I think the person who mostly closely fits the mould from the UK is Mhairi Black - young, outspoken, from a relatively poor background, had a brief flash in the pan of publicity when she first entered Parliament. But like I say, I think we don't have one because our media didn't decide it needed one. I feel like the reason AOC is popular is because Fox wanted a young pretty woman of colour to dunk on, and accidentally found someone competent and outspoken into the bargain. Also because even with her being competent, her inspiring the voter base is pretty low risk, because in the end, the Republicans and the Democrats are like Blair Labour and the Tories, but... worse. IDK maybe that's my conspiracy brain ticking too hard, but... we have tonnes of young up-and-coming women of colour who could easily become popular if given a platform. But platforms are given, not taken.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:14
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a desire for a nationality swapped american figure is what got us chuka umunna. we don't need a farce to their tragedy.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:15
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pidcock was better than aoc and it didnt really help us
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Jan 25, 2020 16:17
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forkboy84 posted:Oh gently caress, thats a real tweet. There is far too much about the Blair years to criticise and claiming we shouldn't out of fear of division is just begging to fail to learn from it. constructive criticism is one thing, but “trashing” is another entirely that clearly says there was nothing good alongside the mistakes
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Jan 25, 2020 16:17
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Spangly A posted:pidcock was better than aoc and it didnt really help us I wouldn't count Pidcock out, but I was with RLB when this came up however long ago - she genuinely is really loving good at speeches, policy and coming across as a human being. She's suffering from Millibanditus right now, letting herself be managed away from genuine. It's frustrating.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:22
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With the benefit of hindsight it is difficult to say there was, and certainly if you want to take a holistic view of the entire thing, everyone loving hates blair and I think we're still struggling with the legacy of that. As a government it was wholly incapable of making lasting improvements in most areas and most of the changes it made to the nature of our society were for the worse, with pushing military interventionism and complete capitulation to the whims of capital in employment and in control of the press, as unavoidable facts of life that can not be challenged. I can't honestly say anything about the blair government other than that it was an utter waste of a decade whose misgovernance we are paying for with interest, literally in many cases.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:23
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CoolCab posted:I wouldn't count Pidcock out, but I was with RLB when this came up however long ago - she genuinely is really loving good at speeches, policy and coming across as a human being. She's suffering from Millibanditus right now, letting herself be managed away from genuine. It's frustrating. I have a deep burning hatred for the complete shite that made up the labour press team when I met them, and I honestly don't think they realise that they've had succesful careers on easy mode, and are completely unable to respond when they aren't handed everything on a plate in a roundabout way I'm saying white people shouldn't be allowed to go anywhere near running a labour campaign and this is, unfortunately, probably the best idea I've had since the election
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Jan 25, 2020 16:28
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Yeah it's really infuriating that the left has inherited the mess of lovely Blairite councils and decades of neglect and now the right get to turn around and tell the left it's all our fault cos we lost the election. I would have more respect for the Labour right if they had indicated they had learned literally anything from the past 20 years instead of going "Tony Blair won elections, so we need to find someone who looks and acts like Tony Blair".
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Jan 25, 2020 16:29
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MikeCrotch posted:Yeah it's really infuriating that the left has inherited the mess of lovely Blairite councils and decades of neglect and now the right get to turn around and tell the left it's all our fault cos we lost the election. I had this as an argument at the CLP post-meeting drinks last night and the guy was passionate about us chasing voters that aren't the base but utterly unable to article which voters he wants us to chase and with what policies they just say "we need to compromise" over and over but at least tony blair had people and policies in mind, this is all still cargo cult nonsense.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:31
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MikeCrotch posted:I would have more respect for the Labour right if they had indicated they had learned literally anything from the past 20 years instead of going "Tony Blair won elections, so we need to find someone who looks and acts like Tony Blair". Exactly. They always say labour needs to win, they never say why. Or even begin to conscience the idea that what labour stands for and what it will do if it wins matter a shitload. It's just pure naked "I want to be in charge it's my turn now" E: Cargo cult is right, in the sense they see people desperate for a labour government and completely fail to appreciate why, aping the statement but none of the substance.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:32
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Cerv posted:constructive criticism is one thing, but “trashing” is another entirely that clearly says there was nothing good alongside the mistakes There are plenty of people in the Labour Party who think any criticism of the Blair years counts as trashing it though. Moderate improvement on a Tory government but broadly a continuation of Thatcherite policy, no reversal of anti-union laws, no reversal of privatisations of key national industries like the railways, not much in the way of large scale public housing investment, increasing income inequality on their watch (as so superbly summarised with Mandelson's "We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" line), the poisonously close relationship with The City. Largely ignoring Labour heartlands to chase votes from Essex Man playing its part in the current mess we're in. They had a massive majority in 1997 and all they did with it was some small managerial fiddling. Sure, minimum wage was good. Devolution was good. Sure Start. But loving nora, a) they could have done so much & b) the list of terrible policies, the constant attacks on civil liberties, the quintessential neoliberal fiddling with tax credits rather than doing something substantive. The dire policies like ASBOs and being obsessed with looking "tough on crime" to Daily Mail readers rather than actually trying to pursue policies that reduce crime and decrease reoffending and all that. There's not a lot to be proud of without even mentioning the foreign policy disasters.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:42
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also can I get thrown into the CLP commisar list for canterbury? There's a *lot* of marxists here, it's quite nice, and they've wasted no time making sure I know who's who. It's factional as poo poo but stuff does actually seem to get done.
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Jan 25, 2020 16:49
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forkboy84 posted:They had a massive majority in 1997 and all they did with it was some small managerial fiddling. Sure, minimum wage was good. Devolution was good. Sure Start. But loving nora, a) they could have done so much forkboy84 posted:b) the list of terrible policies, the constant attacks on civil liberties, the quintessential neoliberal fiddling with tax credits rather than doing something substantive. The dire policies like ASBOs and being obsessed with looking "tough on crime" to Daily Mail readers rather than actually trying to pursue policies that reduce crime and decrease reoffending and all that. Very little was made of that during the campaigning though. Spangly A posted:also can I get thrown into the CLP commisar list for canterbury?
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Jan 25, 2020 16:57
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sinky posted:
  quote:The LGA’s Labour group said Hampshire would be the biggest winner, gaining £35m a year, followed by Surrey county council (£25m), which is home to 11 Conservative MPs including the cabinet members Dominic Raab and Michael Gove. Big losers include Birmingham, which would lose more than £48m.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:41
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Guavanaut posted:Done. Also I now live in Barking (oh God Margaret Hodge, save me comrades)
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Apraxin posted:Remember the distant days of a month ago when Johnson did a tour of the north, thanking his new voters for their trust and promising to repay them? I'm honestly impressed he bothered keeping any promises to the North. I'm assuming this is what he meant by repaying them.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:23
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feedmegin posted:Also I now live in Barking (oh God Margaret Hodge, save me comrades) https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1221076273411362822
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Jan 25, 2020 18:23
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Love this. The Batman (and most of the GMT Master IIs) are basically impossible to get new at the minute unless you have a very very good relationship with a dealer. Someone SIRALN for all his money clearly does not have. Also his ‘usual dealer’ is absolutely going to cut him off after that.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:29
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I feel like being pissy about not having a fancy watch in 2020 is peak boomer.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:31
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Jesus loving christ that is a fucign eighty eight hundred pound watch. gently caress Alan Sugar and the horse he rode in on. Nobody should ever own an 8800 pound watch.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:32
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Hitler number watch.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:37
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A relationship with a watch dealer, being rich sounds exhausting.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:44
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thespaceinvader posted:Jesus loving christ that is a fucign eighty eight hundred pound watch. If you feel like getting fully pissed off - that’s the price new. Second hand however... 
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Red Oktober posted:Love this. The Batman (and most of the GMT Master IIs) are basically impossible to get new at the minute unless you have a very very good relationship with a dealer. Someone SIRALN for all his money clearly does not have. Also his ‘usual dealer’ is absolutely going to cut him off after that. OwlFancier posted:I feel like being pissy about not having a fancy watch in 2020 is peak boomer.  for it.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:48
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Rolex are pleb-tier mechanical watches anyway, anyone who's anyone goes for Patek Philippe.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:49
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If you need to buy watches often enough to form a relationship with a dealer, they must be selling you crap watches 
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Pistol_Pete posted:Rolex are pleb-tier mechanical watches anyway, anyone who's anyone goes for Patek Philippe. Patel’s advertising was genius though. Managed to give a load of rich men and women assurance that they weren’t being selfish buying themselves a watch, as it was really for their children, they were just - you know - holding it for a while. 
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Jan 25, 2020 18:53
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I'm now remembering the period of my career where I was working in an industry that bought me to the annual Basel watch and jewelry trade fair. The watches on display there were pricey as hell but gently caress me, they were beautiful pieces of machinery. If you're going to piss away money on an unnecessary luxury, a Swiss mechanical watch is one of the better ways of doing it.
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Who the gently caress even needs a wristwatch any more when you have a phone that literally learns the time from the central source of what time it is on your person at all times?!
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Jan 25, 2020 18:55
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I've got a phone if I need to know the time or like, I could buy a lovely casio or something. They make batman watches too.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:56
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Watch talk. My brother was on holiday in Spain in the late 90s, and he came across this fake brand seller selling stuff from a mobile stall. Knowing the stuff was fake, he bought some sunglasses and a Tag Heuer watch for like 20 euros. To show off when back home. Took it back, turns out the stuff he bought was the real thing. Not sure about the sunglasses, but the watch was. Is still worth a few hundred now.
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OwlFancier posted:I've got a phone if I need to know the time or like, I could buy a lovely casio or something. They make batman watches too. enjoy being on a terrorist watchlist
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Jan 25, 2020 19:03
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MikeCrotch posted:enjoy being on a terrorist watchlist To be honest, just posting in this thread gets you on at least three.
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The terrorist watch list is why alan sugar can't get any watches.
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