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eke out posted:sekulow sucks so much lol Yeah. This is gonna be a night and day difference. It’s gonna be them gurgling and screaming for hours.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:19
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I really didn't expect them to open their defence with a bunch of pedantics about foreign policy. I mean it's all amateurish and, you know, stupid. But I expected a lot more of the mumble mumble Mueller *waves volume one of the report around vaguely* poo poo. This is both unconvincing and unlikely to produce many Fox-bait soundbites.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:25
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SubG posted:I really didn't expect them to open their defence with a bunch of pedantics about foreign policy. These dipshits haven’t prepared. Also they think everyone is as dumb as they are.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:30
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Dapper_Swindler posted:These dipshits haven’t prepared. Also they think everyone is as dumb as they are. They know that they don't need too - just some soundbites is enough to give the GOP senators some cover for throwing up their hands and voting not guilty.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:36
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What's worse is that they don't even need to appeal to anyone anyway. Republicans already made their decision long before the trial so they're trying to get a fast acquittal so Donny gets to jerk off all over the microphone like the big big boy he is at the state of the union address and can cry over how unfair the Democrats have been and how America decided he was right and how he plans to maintain his obvious corruption for 4 more years-- maybe even more corrupt and more obvious because clearly, America decided that it approves.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:39
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Thom12255 posted:They know that they don't need too - just some soundbites is enough to give the GOP senators some cover for throwing up their hands and voting not guilty. Like right now just try to imagine our big dumb wet President sitting in the Residence trying to follow along with this mook arguing about Congressional procedure for delegation of authority to subcommittees.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:40
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My guess is going to be that they are going with "We can't allow evidence or witnesses, the impeachment wasn't done legally and with due process, so it's not right to remove from office."
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Jan 25, 2020 17:40
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Thom12255 posted:They know that they don't need too - just some soundbites is enough to give the GOP senators some cover for throwing up their hands and voting not guilty. yeah but they arnt even giving them that.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:43
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah but they arnt even giving them that. And yet it'll still happen. They know they could go up and announce that Trump did it and is guilty and play a tape of him confessing and the Republicans would still acquit. It just doesn't matter. I think the more boring and unwatchable their defense is, the better, in their minds.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:47
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Here is the whistleblower. I believe that is a bingo.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:49
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empty whippet box posted:And yet it'll still happen. lol. probably. id still love to be in the universe where they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because the chuds defense force sucks to hard.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:49
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it is also worth noting that republican voters don't particularly need anything witty or relevant or like, actually true to rally behind anyway-- we're talking about a group of people who are still butthurt about alt-righters being called deplorables and are still chanting "LOCK HER UP" in 2020 even though Hillary Clinton has not been relevant in any real perceivable significant way since 2016. all they need is a perceived slight to rally behind, no matter how small or made up, and will make an entire political stance upon it
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Jan 25, 2020 17:54
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So their defense of the president is to complain about process and smear Schiff. Nothing new.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:57
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They only did 2 hours? What?
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Jan 25, 2020 18:01
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"They are asking you to remove a president in the same year of the election, we should let the people have their say" The Merrick Garland strategy.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:03
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LegionAreI posted:They only did 2 hours? What? I mean, why waste your saturday when you have the jury already committed? There's like 9 hours of crimes to be done today still before Trump gets sleepy.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:04
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Jan 25, 2020 18:17
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LegionAreI posted:They only did 2 hours? What? They said at the start they won't be using all the available 24 hours like the Dem's did, I'd be surprised if they aren't done by Tuesday at 2pm.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:17
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, why waste your saturday when you have the jury already committed? There's like 9 hours of crimes to be done today still before Trump gets sleepy. They literally called it a "trailer", like it's a loving movie.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:19
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Thom12255 posted:They said at the start they won't be using all the available 24 hours like the Dem's did, I'd be surprised if they aren't done by Tuesday at 2pm. my dad predicted that. he said they are just gonna bullshit and than scream "vote to aquite" and thats it.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:20
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I am surprised they even did two hours. the republicans have already made up their minds. they know that if they do not vote to acquit they will lose their elections. My only hope is that the independents make them lose their elections anyway because they have no integrity.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:21
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As a reminder, when the White House finishes, the next step is 16 hours (two days) of alternating questions submitted by both sides. Basically, both sides submit questions (to either side) and Roberts will read one dem, one republican, and repeat, for two days. Followed by four hours of "debate" and a vote on the witnesses. So if Trump's team took monday and then rested, there could be a vote on witnesses late Thursday, and if they took their full time it'd be Friday evening.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:22
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There’s no way these morons take up three days, right? They’re going to finish early like the kid taking the class P/NP who doesn’t really see the point in answering the last two questions since he doesn’t need the credit anyway.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:22
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Phil Moscowitz posted:There’s no way these morons take up three days, right? They’re going to finish early like the kid taking the class P/NP who doesn’t really see the point in answering the last two questions since he doesn’t need the credit anyway. they've apparently been telling people (1) monday will be a trial of the bidens (lol) and (2) they won't use their full time so they're going to jump straight to their most insane and irrelevant argument, then rest. just like they teach you in law school
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Jan 25, 2020 18:25
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eke out posted:So if Trump's team took monday and then rested, there could be a vote on witnesses late Thursday, and if they took their full time it'd be Friday evening. They’ll push to Friday to try to bury it.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:25
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Jaxyon posted:That NPR Pompeo interview is a prime example. If a reporter was trying to be a reporter they would then bring this to the public as "Pompeo unable or unwilling to say how government expects to stop Iran from getting nukes" over and over again and keep bringing this up (and posting articles/bringing it up in news segments) every time you see the dude until he either gives you a coherent answer or admits they can't actually do what they said they would do (and if they do this, you hound him about why he lied to you in the first place until you get a coherent answer about that). Basically stop letting them distract you with more bullshit like you are a goldfish with a meth habit. And keep painting them as the incompetent fuckwits they are every time you mention their name.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:26
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FizFashizzle posted:They’ll push to Friday to try to bury it. nah dude, I see what you mean but this is the most significant vote of the biggest political spectacle in decades you can't just bury it by putting it on a friday lol
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Jan 25, 2020 18:26
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Phil Moscowitz posted:There’s no way these morons take up three days, right? They’re going to finish early like the kid taking the class P/NP who doesn’t really see the point in answering the last two questions since he doesn’t need the credit anyway. No way in hell. They don't have much of a case and they can only get away with so much banging the table. 2 hours today, likely under 8 Monday and be done. The only hope is the media skewers them on it.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:27
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eke out posted:they've apparently been telling people (1) monday will be a trial of the bidens (lol) and (2) they won't use their full time Honestly I would have more respect for the My Cousin Vinnie opening statement
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Jan 25, 2020 18:27
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eke out posted:nah dude, I see what you mean but this is the most significant vote of the biggest political spectacle in decades Very few people that I know in real life are even aware that it is happening.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:28
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empty whippet box posted:Very few people that I know in real life are even aware that it is happening. do you really think the president of the united states' impeachment trial is a thing most people don't even know is happening? because lol we have many polls that show that that is obviously untrue
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Jan 25, 2020 18:32
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empty whippet box posted:Very few people that I know in real life are even aware that it is happening. Then loving TELL THEM, dude. What are you, one of them “nothing matters” types?
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Jan 25, 2020 18:32
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Orange Devil posted:If a reporter was trying to be a reporter they would then bring this to the public as "Pompeo unable or unwilling to say how government expects to stop Iran from getting nukes" over and over again and keep bringing this up (and posting articles/bringing it up in news segments) every time you see the dude until he either gives you a coherent answer or admits they can't actually do what they said they would do (and if they do this, you hound him about why he lied to you in the first place until you get a coherent answer about that). I think if this happened we'd just see them turn away from the media completely. We already saw it with Sanders and the new press sec who hasn't ever held a press briefing. They're not even making a token effort anymore to appeal to anyone besides their base, so I think we'd just get a fake-outraged "The Fake News Media is unprofessional and biased" statement and then they'd only do friendly little softball interviews on Fox News from then on. e: I mean, I do wish with all my heart that reporters would call them on their bullshit, but the right-wing is so insular that I think it would barely matter.
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Phenotype posted:I think if this happened we'd just see them turn away from the media completely. We already saw it with Sanders and the new press sec who hasn't ever held a press briefing. They're not even making a token effort anymore to appeal to anyone besides their base, so I think we'd just get a fake-outraged "The Fake News Media is unprofessional and biased" statement and then they'd only do friendly little softball interviews on Fox News from then on. Well them retreating only Fox is a double edged sword. If they do not leave their safe space pretty much every other news org will cease to carry any of their narrative at all. That being said I heard some rumblings that the Sunday shows are about to cut off certain members of the administration. I don’t know how serious that threat is but it frankly wouldn’t surprise me at this point. The Sunday shows should be a hoot tomorrow.
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Phenotype posted:I think if this happened we'd just see them turn away from the media completely. We already saw it with Sanders and the new press sec who hasn't ever held a press briefing. They're not even making a token effort anymore to appeal to anyone besides their base, so I think we'd just get a fake-outraged "The Fake News Media is unprofessional and biased" statement and then they'd only do friendly little softball interviews on Fox News from then on. Then you report every single day that the government won't answer any questions on anything anymore and you explain to your audience why this is a Very Bad Thing in a democracy. You keep painting them as detached elitists who think they are so much better than you they don't even have to explain themselves to you. Basically put their contempt, for the press, for the democratic process and for the public, front and center every single day. Ofcourse, nobody gives a poo poo about contempt for the American press because American reporters are so loving garbage at their job that they are contemptible. What passes for your democratic process is also contemptible. But you know, it's up to these assholes to redeem themselves and make people give a poo poo, rather than burying their tongue in the rear end of every authoritarian they can find.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:42
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eke out posted:nah dude, I see what you mean but this is the most significant vote of the biggest political spectacle in decades
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Jan 25, 2020 18:43
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I've seen jaded alcoholic public defenders offer a better defense. The lack of refutation begs the introduction of witnesses. The opening by Pat was damning in a "we have to destroy the president in order to save him" banannas kind of way. If you are a moderate Republican you are screaming you need more thanbvb this to cover. Even Susan Collins is sentient enough that this will end her if she rolls along with an aquital. I'm chuckling at the thought of McConnell promising rewards and punishment. The man is old enough that any long term prospects of his patronage is a joke. Also mo way Trump can be trusted for a golden parachute the way he shits through appointees. There are going to be witnesses called if Monday's performance matches today. Trump can't be happy with this less than forceful performance.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:I've seen jaded alcoholic public defenders offer a better defense. The lack of refutation begs the introduction of witnesses. The opening by Pat was damning in a "we have to destroy the president in order to save him" banannas kind of way. apperently. monday is gonna be all about the bidens.
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trump's legal geniuses making the case that we just don't know what happened https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1221124060530257921 if Manchin feels like he has cover to say this kind of thing and stay closely in line with the democrats here, it's a very good sign
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