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OwlFancier posted:The terrorist watch list is why alan sugar can't get any watches. Well batman is a terrorist it's hardly surprising his watches are on banned lists.
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imagine what kind of watches they handed out in bin laden's super lair bet they had tetris on them and everything AND the theme tune
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thespaceinvader posted:Who the gently caress even needs a wristwatch any more when you have a phone that literally learns the time from the central source of what time it is on your person at all times?! Posh watches are the one generally acceptable piece of male jewellery  Men, especially in a business context, can't wear necklaces or brooches or big dangly earrings but they can wear a fancy watch. If you peer through the window of a posh jewellery shop, you'll see that the men's watches tend to be big, chunky devices that are designed to be noticable. That's because they're the only way in which businessmen can display their wealth (and therefore importance) without going round with their annual income written on their foreheads.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Posh watches are the one generally acceptable piece of male jewellery You mean the absurdly expensive suits, cars, ties, shirts, shoes, haircuts, glasses, sunglasses, and constant loving bragging about their salaries aren't enough? (I mean, none of it is ever enough, that's the problem) (Also wedding rings are acceptable thank gently caress, but any other ring definitely Raises Questions. I stopped wearing my other ring, but mostly because it doesn't fit all that well and it kept falling off, I kind of miss it, I made it, it's nice.)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Not just banks but also for example airlines. A friend (age over 60) was kept on by a large airline company until very recently as one of only 2 or 3 people who knew how to work the creaking, ancient computer mainframe running some legacy software. Not sure what language. Maybe COBOL? unless something's changed really recently, airlines still store and publish all their data like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8WVo-YLyAg&t=335s so booking sites have to parse all that to pull out the actual information, probably why they're all slow as heck e- so old they're using a character set from punch cards and don't have the @ symbol for people's email addresses baka kaba fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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baka kaba posted:imagine what kind of watches they handed out in bin laden's super lair They were just called Casio alarm watches when I got it.
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If you're really posh (or massively pretentious), you can wear a signet ring with your family's crest on it on your little finger! (Much of my career has been spent in extracting money from rich people in return for providing goods and services of extremely dubious usefulness. I feel that it's better for me to have their money than them.)
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Pistol_Pete posted:Posh watches are the one generally acceptable piece of male jewellery
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Pistol_Pete posted:without going round with their annual income written on their foreheads. thespaceinvader posted:(Also wedding rings are acceptable thank gently caress, but any other ring definitely Raises Questions. I stopped wearing my other ring, but mostly because it doesn't fit all that well and it kept falling off, I kind of miss it, I made it, it's nice.)
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Guavanaut posted:I've got one of those "super terrorist watch Osama gave to his expert bombmakers as a medal" watches somewhere. I think we call that FREEDOM
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, there are cufflinks too, and necklaces are certainly accepted in some cultures. Anyway, I'm kinda disappointed none of these people seem to have even attempted to wear a literal crown. Like, what the hell are you doing, that's like the ultimate symbol of what they're trying to present themselves as. A crown draws attention to the head, and suggests the neck  thespaceinvader posted:(Also wedding rings are acceptable thank gently caress, but any other ring definitely Raises Questions. I stopped wearing my other ring, but mostly because it doesn't fit all that well and it kept falling off, I kind of miss it, I made it, it's nice.) Rings are fine, stop hanging out with fragile homophobes. e/ or with your boomer parents, who will flip the gently caress out if you put anything on your left ring finger if you're not married. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Wearing lots of gaudy rings raises less questions about your sexuality, and more questions about whether you are, in fact, a corrupt burgher terrorising the local peasantry. Bonus points if any or all of said rings are large enough to plausibly contain a vial of poison.
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Red Oktober posted:If you feel like getting fully pissed off - that’s the price new. Does it come with a free butler? thespaceinvader posted:Who the gently caress even needs a wristwatch any more when you have a phone that literally learns the time from the central source of what time it is on your person at all times?! A Rolex isn't for you to check the time, it's for anyone else nearby to check your bank balance.
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 Podcasting is Praxis - Episode 25 - Segway to Davos is finally here! Star Wars will be released on Monday morning!
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Guavanaut posted:Found one, do I get elite status relationships now? If you want a mechanical watch you can get top quality soviet ones for less than £50  I have several and would highly recommend getting one, all the coolness of a mechanical watch, none of the dickheadness of having to take out a mortgage for a stupid gold thing
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thespaceinvader posted:You mean the absurdly expensive suits, cars, ties, shirts, shoes, haircuts, glasses, sunglasses, and constant loving bragging about their salaries aren't enough? Oh certain rings are very acceptable in a business context, depending on the business. Ones with compasses and squares, for example.
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vodkat posted:If you want a mechanical watch you can get top quality soviet ones for less than £50 Also some overly tacticlol ones.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, there are cufflinks too I am currently linked to St James' Place and questions have been raised about how awarding SJP Partners cufflinks of gold/ platinum/ diamond encrusted etc based on how much value they've been able to extract from wealthy clients is actually in those clients' best interests. I think it's loving hilarious and that's before we get to the practice of sending successful Partners and their families on 'business meetings' that consist of luxury cruises around the Greek archipelago, which is also paid for by the aforementioned wealthy clients. In short, rich people can be surprisingly gullible but it pays my mortgage so whatever.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Rings are fine, stop hanging out with fragile homophobes. e/ or with your boomer parents, who will flip the gently caress out if you put anything on your left ring finger if you're not married. I did. I mostly do't wear it now because I don't want to lose it.
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CGI Stardust posted:Reports of Momentum's influence (also its unity and its radicalism) at the moment seem somewhat exaggerated. Currently the big Momentum push is... phone-banking for RLB!! It hasn't really coordinated anything other than that so far, or if it has then it hasn't shared any details with its members. The Starmer campaign has managed more influencing-the-influencers from what little I've seen reported. We’re largely focusing on the CLP nomination meetings right now, though as you say phonebanking is also ongoing (and very important btw). We’re ramping up with rallies in the next week or two and mycampaignmap.com should start having RLB events next week as well. Things are getting going.
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Renaissance Robot posted:A crown draws attention to the head, and suggests the neck Pistol_Pete posted:I am currently linked to St James' Place and questions have been raised about how awarding SJP Partners cufflinks of gold/ platinum/ diamond encrusted etc based on how much value they've been able to extract from wealthy clients is actually in those clients' best interests.
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So occasionally I am asked to do Police Property Applications. They are this quasi civil/criminal legal action where a client brings a civil action against the guards asking to get stuff that was seized from them back. 9/10 the case is spurious or the guards shut down the proceedings by saying "it's a piece of evidence in an ongoing investigation. " Some of the time you win and the people get their stuff back. (One time I got my client his car back. Since he was in prison for a different offence it did him little good.) However one of my cases involved property including a Rolex Watch. That's when I learnt that Rolex Watches are like cars in that they are supposed to come with a log book. So you can prove who the previous owners and current owner is.
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happyhippy posted:Watch talk. Gonna guess it was stolen.
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thespaceinvader posted:Nobody should ever own an 8800 pound watch. Sanitary Naptime posted:Star Wars will be released on Monday morning! 
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A professor at Oxford who's a very vocal 'gender-critical feminist' had some college staff escort her to and from lectures this week, as apparently there were some online threats to punch her. She says herself that it was anonymous social media stuff and she isn't sure who was saying it or if it was serious or not, and that the escort was an abundance of caution by the college more than anything - nothing happened, no report to the police etc. BBC News front page article:  gently caress sake.
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How surprising that there's no equivalent coverage of the actual daily violence the trans community faces  Wonder why some people being noisy on the Internet but making "threats" that don't even rise to the level of telling the coppers is meantime worth of front-page coverage 
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Apraxin posted:A professor at Oxford who's a very vocal 'gender-critical feminist' had some college staff escort her to and from lectures this week, as apparently there were some online threats to punch her. She says herself that it was anonymous social media stuff and she isn't sure who was saying it or if it was serious or not, and that the escort was an abundance of caution by the college more than anything - nothing happened, no report to the police etc. Why have trans issues become such a divisive topic in the last few years? It's a major problem in the SNP, for example. The party has had incredible unity on independence, but this is one issue which has caused senior politicians (Joanna Cherry & Joan McAlpine) to break ranks. There is something in British feminism which has produced this. I don't fully understand why older women are so reactionary when it comes to this issue. It has to be seen as a problem in the way that a particular generation of feminists relate to the world and wider political struggles. I say this as an avowedly "nationalist" and probably "class reductionist" SNP member. It frustrates me that these people care more about holding back GRA reform than controlling Edinburgh rents, or fighting the British state, or even just developing a coherent economic strategy.
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Alertrelic posted:There is something in British feminism which has produced this. I don't fully understand why older women are so reactionary when it comes to this issue. It has to be seen as a problem in the way that a particular generation of feminists relate to the world and wider political struggles. Fortunately it's not every politically involved woman of that generation, just a very vocal minority. There was a big kerfuffle about gender neutral toilets in a local school last week that led to a bunch of homophobic and transphobic comments being posted in some facebook circles, which meant that I ended up having to explain terves and hands across the aisle to my mam over Sunday dinner. Her response was "well that's loving stupid. how's anyone else being a woman make me less of one?"
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1% of feminists hoard 99% of the world's womanhood.
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Alertrelic posted:Why have trans issues become such a divisive topic in the last few years? Because it turns out that an awful lot of people who claim to be progressive have actually got a shitload of hate bottled up in them that they've not been able to unload, but now they've found an outgroup that other supposed progressives are telling them it's fine to hate.
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There must be more to it than that because the loving Nazis are back again so it's not like you need to find some queers to bash to find someone to hate as a progressive unless that was what you wanted to do in the first place.
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There definitely is something strange about British 'feminism' in particular that has turned terfery into a foremost point. That's not to say trans people in other places have it better or anything, but it is curious that our country's latched onto it in such a particular way when other places just have regular right-wing transphobes, and their ostensibly feminist transphobes seem to just come speak in the UK. Partly it's also that it's one of today's foremost rights movements and thus inevitably gets in the public eye as the long and grinding work of progress is made.
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Guavanaut posted:There must be more to it than that because the loving Nazis are back again so it's not like you need to find some queers to bash to find someone to hate as a progressive unless that was what you wanted to do in the first place. Well in a lot of ways (and I'll heavily disclaimer this in advance in that I'm really not as up on these issues as I probably should be) the "problem" is similar to gay rights in the 60s and 70s - you've got a lot of people who in previous ages would have been closeted away safely from the eyes of the poor appalled masses, and as acceptance increases more people start to come out, so to the outside observer there suddenly seems to be loads of "those people" around, and reaction takes over. and of course because this time you've got people in those previous outgroups also joining in the panic, it gives license to a lot of people on that Spiked trajectory to just pile in. Glinner is pretty much a perfect example of this - he'd never dream of being homophobic or misogynistic (at least in extremely blatant ways) but because he's got feminists and gay people telling him it's fine to hate trans people he's just going loving hog wild on it. In a lot of ways the actual TERFs are at least understandable - as you pointed out, they've set up an essentialist worldview that is severely challenged by the existence of trans people. Of course it doesn't excuse them, but it is at least an explanation for the strength of their reaction. Everyone else (including the anti-trans LGB mob and of course your furrowed-brow middle-class commentariat) are just being arseholes because they're arseholes.
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It's worth noting that trans community has historically not been as politically organised as say the gay and lesbian communities. In that respect we're an easy target in the same way bi and ace people are, which is probably why "Drop the B" campaigns have also been a thing in recent years. Media representation of trans people has also been abysmal up until very recently. When I was growing up the only trans representation I remember seeing is Babs from The League of Gentlemen, the villain from Ace Ventura, and the occasional documentary which tended to focus on surgery for the shock value.
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There's a lot of money floating around from evangelicals to boost anti trans sentiment. They basically recognise that they've lost against the LGB but the T is just on the outskirts enough that they can wedge it successfully.
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Right, but the thing that's peculiar is that all this focus is on the UK. The evangelicals sending money from America explains why terves here have resources, but it doesn't explain why British terves are so much more fertile ground for them than American terves are. And they for sure have them over there. British Isles/North American/Australasian feminism movements have long been pretty closely linked, the old fights for votes and such happened at the same time, the more recent ones for better employment rights similarly saw major cross-pollination, and today's Internet is increasingly making it a single gestalt movement (When was the last time anyone millennial or younger gave a poo poo whether a point on protecting your drinks in the club comes out of Miami or London? Who cares whether a rape case takes place in Beverly Hills or Notting Hill? etc. etc.). And yet in this area whilst mainstream transphobia is rampant AF (oh boy can't wait for a """""masculine""""" looking black woman to win something at the Olympics and get that heady Santorum of transmisogyny AND turboracism  ) there's this strain of it that comes from Feminism-Appropriating Reactionary Transphobes that seems fairly particular to the UK. (Maybe secretly we're super advanced so they have to try and drive a wedge whereas in other places they can just go "lol bathroom bill" )
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Pistol_Pete posted:Posh watches are the one generally acceptable piece of male jewellery Some years back, I was on a bus and overheard two blokes behind me talking about how you had to have a fancy watch because it was the best way of telling if a man was successful and rich and a proper alpha male, and how you shouldn't respect anyone who didn't have a good one. And the whole time I was thinking: dude, you're on a bus. Your overpriced and gaudy watch means nothing if the kind of people whose opinion you care about ever see you. Actually, the only time I've ever paid attention to anyone's watch was when my wife was pregnant and we were at the hospital for a checkup. There was a guy in the waiting room who had some stupidly huge gold-encrusted monstrosity on his wrist that he wanted everyone to see... and he was treating his partner like absolute poo poo, to the point of audibly calling her a oval office in front of everyone (including kids) because her wanting to have a child had hosed up his obviously terribly important business that he kept making loud phone calls about. So to me, the fancy watch brigade are summed up by that bellend.
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