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I have a feeling and bare with me, its gonna be long Were gonna be fine. That wasnt so long Its unfortunate how privatised healthcare is that people feel they have to sell a "disaster" online to get a $ bump for their department Its interesting how shutting down a city is so easy for cops, the biggest lesson to come from this Turning on and off the internet is when? A Grand Egg fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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Fartbox posted:Is this like when the new strain of ebola was going to destroy us all that was always horseshit
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So what's the actual risk of this thing. All I've read suggested that it's a slightly more dangerous flu, but nothing really ground-breaking?
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Son of Rodney posted:So what's the actual risk of this thing. All I've read suggested that it's a slightly more dangerous flu, but nothing really ground-breaking? You can also catch it before someone shows symptoms.
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Son of Rodney posted:So what's the actual risk of this thing. All I've read suggested that it's a slightly more dangerous flu, but nothing really ground-breaking? Doesn't matter, if it made it to the US and was an issue you dont have any resources to combat it, because you keep voting austerity and small government and anti science. You've de-funded every weapon against it. Its no the "risk" or whatever, all you need to ask is how much does it hurt? Will i die in pain or not A Grand Egg fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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2 years ago whatever flu was going around hosed up my lungs for like 2 months. idk if im gonna make it through this poo poo. guess ill start a gofundme.
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I love that Twitter doesn't like having any one thing trending for too long but people haven't stopped talking about it, so The Algorithm keeps proudly showing me misspelled hashtags instead (coronarvirus, coronoavirus, etc)
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uvar posted:I love that Twitter doesn't like having any one thing trending for too long but people haven't stopped talking about it, so The Algorithm keeps proudly showing me misspelled hashtags instead (coronarvirus, coronoavirus, etc) #coronitavirus
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A Grand Egg posted:Doesn't matter, if it made it to the US and was an issue you dont have any resources to combat it, because you keep voting austerity and small government and anti science. You've de-funded every weapon against it. I ain't American.
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unpacked robinhood posted:We've got like 3 days of self reported data from winnie country True, you have statistics and then you have statistics coming out from China, but bear in mind, the central government has threatened the provincial governments with punishment for hiding information related to the virus.
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Son of Rodney posted:So what's the actual risk of this thing. All I've read suggested that it's a slightly more dangerous flu, but nothing really ground-breaking? Looking at CDC data, influenza kills 2 out of 100,000. Wuhan has a rough population of 11 million and less than 100 dead. If the new virus was as deadly as the yearly influenza, we'd be looking at 200+ dead and we're not. The actual risk of this is stupid.
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It could be about as deadly, it could be 100x as deadly. Difference between thousands and millions severely affected We've been continually been getting reports that about 10% of cases end up in the ICU, all told, including some young peeps who lived and recovered. The flu doesn't do that, but peeps from the PRC have a weird attitude about going to hospitals in the first place bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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so are we all gonna finally die or what edit ok all Doomed, good to know FistEnergy fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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Past 20 minutes several news agencies are reporting that the mayor of Wuhan is expected to announce another 1000 cases.
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I'm more sure that this was a bioweapon that got released accidentally. Somehow China managed to get the genetic code information perfectly sequenced and they're now sharing it with various medical groups to develop a vaccine. How quickly does it take to sequence a new never seen before virus?
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Hours, nowadays. Genome sequencing went down 99.9999% in price in the last 15 years. Faster than Moore's Law. First one cost like 50 million bucks, nowadays charging 50 bucks for a human gives you a big fat margin Bioweapon thing would be more, not less, deadly than SARS.
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Son of Rodney posted:I ain't American. Cool we get to watch them die, again, from preventable disease....again
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bob dobbs is dead posted:peeps from the PRC have a weird attitude about going to hospitals in the first place Peeps from the PRC go to the hospital for a common cold, and get a drip. They are given a saline solution, and antibiotic solution and maybe some intravenous nutrition to boot. Right now, the Snake Flu is the main subject of conversation at dinner table (aside form "how's business? Are you earning money?") and people are scared enough to go see the doc for anything and everything.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:
Not necessarily. A super bug that kills people dead is more effective if you want to end the world like a supervillain but less so if you wanted to drastically tie up an opposing nation's resources. It takes way more resources to keep a sick person from becoming a dead person than it does to deal with a dead person.
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gonna be Very Cool when china stops outgoing travel and the globe gets infected anyway from Chinese Amazon deliveries packaged up by asymptomatic workers
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Infected objects for coronaviruses usually stop being infectious after 10 hours away from the body, unless kept in a warm but not too warm liquid environment. Still a problem for public transport but lol for shipping
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Son of Rodney posted:So what's the actual risk of this thing. All I've read suggested that it's a slightly more dangerous flu, but nothing really ground-breaking? it’s super super contagious more than super super deadly
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With current data, including the current cases out of Thailand, it is looking like it sucks, it will probably wreck all the usual at risk populations, it may spread widely due to it having a level of infectiousness a bit above Influenza A and B (only in asymptomatic shedding from what I can gather) and should be taken seriously. It also will not be 1918 (if these trends hold) and like, medical tech then was not medical tech now folks, that was 102 years ago and a lot of the big advances in care are after that. Basically, governments need to take this seriously and precautions are needed but like, I would be more worried about dying in a car crash or something. But we need better data than China's poo poo.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Stop saying peeps Look at this peep trying to avoid their proper referent
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bob dobbs is dead posted:Infected objects for coronaviruses usually stop being infectious after 10 hours away from the body, unless kept in a warm but not too warm liquid environment. Still a problem for public transport but lol for shipping That's why ask the sender to place a radioactive heater in the box together with my wet market orders from the orient.
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KiteAuraan posted:With current data, including the current cases out of Thailand, it is looking like it sucks, it will probably wreck all the usual at risk populations, it may spread widely due to it having a level of infectiousness a bit above Influenza A and B (only in asymptomatic shedding from what I can gather) and should be taken seriously. It also will not be 1918 (if these trends hold) and like, medical tech then was not medical tech now folks, that was 102 years ago and a lot of the big advances in care are after that. Basically, governments need to take this seriously and precautions are needed but like, I would be more worried about dying in a car crash or something. Should we call it Influenza D or is that one already taken?
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The point of wet markets is to have your meat before rigor mortis sets in. Probably even possible hygienically and with minimal pain to animals with skilled and experienced butchers who know about hygiene and stuff, and refrigeration and dedicated cleaners and stuff. Lol at that happening in PRC tho. And you shouldnt sell wild animals at all, especially endangered ones, which they totally did
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Now who’s stupid for spending the last 15 years mostly loving around? Bunch of chumps out there having kids and poo poo lmao
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Should we call it Influenza D or is that one already taken? I mean if it mutates into Influenza sure, but that'd be weird. Seeing as they are different classes of virus.
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KiteAuraan posted:With current data, including the current cases out of Thailand, it is looking like it sucks, it will probably wreck all the usual at risk populations, it may spread widely due to it having a level of infectiousness a bit above Influenza A and B (only in asymptomatic shedding from what I can gather) and should be taken seriously. It also will not be 1918 (if these trends hold) and like, medical tech then was not medical tech now folks, that was 102 years ago and a lot of the big advances in care are after that. Basically, governments need to take this seriously and precautions are needed but like, I would be more worried about dying in a car crash or something. It'll be just our luck that the 21st century version of the Spanish Flu is something more contagious but just leaves you wrecked for a week or two instead of killing you.
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LanceHunter posted:It'll be just our luck that the 21st century version of the Spanish Flu is something more contagious but just leaves you wrecked for a week or two instead of killing you. If it is similar to SARS, it's not 2 weeks and back to normal, a number of those patients have debilitating long term disabilities, are unable to care for themselves, and some even have PTSD (health care workers definitively do). Also, not sure what the psychological ramifications of being locked away in quarantine for a full month is, but I bet it isnt good.
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We have 90000 ICU beds in the US. They're usually at 60% capacity. 50000 ICU beds in PRC, also usually at that capacity. So if we continue exponential growth those will fill up insanely quickly. We have the technology, but it's not scaled to the total population, it's scaled to like 0.01% of the pop
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There are A LOT of social factors to consider and right now any one of them, be it widespread panic messing things up, or not enough care if it spreads and is severe (like, gotta wait on that one because again, bad data so far) or like mentioned, the toll on healthcare workers and surviving hospitalized infected (which may not be all infected, gotta keep that in mind), are all WAAAAAY more concerning than the actual virus. This is why sociology and anthropology matter, they look at that stuff.
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I nearly bought some of the PPE gear people mentioned in the thread (yeah I know).. But in my defense, before I made my mind up I did a quick 10 min google.. Correct me if I wrong... The best PPE stuff I found on amazon was good for stuff down to 0.03 microns, virus's are anywhere from 30-400 nanometers. 0.03 microns is 3000 nanometers. I also spoke to a mate who's been in the military & he just lol'd & said you need the 'bio' filters for that..
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We are fairly sure its not airborne proper, it's spread by aerosolized droplets that are bigger. So tiny droplets of snot w virus, not floating virus particles. Also fomites, or infected stuff Smallpox, you deffo need the bio dealios N95 masks were 85% effective against SARS, 96% with facemask. Not perfect but drat sight better than nothing bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:We are fairly sure its not airborne proper, it's spread by aerosolized droplets that are bigger. So tiny droplets of snot w virus, not floating virus particles. Also fomites That was my thinking but my mate made me concerned it would be a false sense of security. Though to be fair I know next to nothing about filters.
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