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If you want to be a woman in the bedroom and you know you want to play house and all of that other poo poo and you feel like you have, your body is really a woman's body trapped inside a man's frame and so you got a operation, that's all good in the hood. But you can't fight chicks. Get the gently caress out of here. You're out of your mind. You need to fight men, you know? Period. You need to fight men your size because you're a man. You're a man without a dick.

Hot Karl Marx posted:

https://twitter.com/mikepompeo/status/1221427227885285376?s=19

Eej posted:

I didn't realize the accusations of Joe Rogan being a transphobe boil down to him opposing transwomen like Fallon Fox from hopping into the ring with their opponent not knowing they're a transwoman and proceeding to crack open the skulls of two women before retiring.

SimonCat posted:

There shouldn't be women's and men's MMA, there should only be weight classes.

Chichevache posted:

gently caress weight class. Two persons enter, one person leaves.

mlmp08 posted:

Rogan apologists will say his transphobic comments have been for transgender people’s own safety but that’s dumb and incorrect.

And this is not a nuanced discussion of Fallon, it’s an anti-trans rant complete with antiquated stereotypes about women’s work.

That Works posted:

ngl I found the original UFC of like 150lb Gracie vs like 220 lb Samoans and poo poo a hell of a lot more fun to watch.

Waroduce posted:

I really don't want to be probated/attacked over this and I think there's some nuanced discussion that needs to occur of which i am incredibly uneducated and unaware of the issues in this space, but I'm a former (now fat and old) high level athlete and when we start moving to D1, Olympic, World Class level athletes past high school there are realities that need to be considered.

Chichevache posted:

Personally, I think it is sexist to make women compete in their own divisions instead of allowing them to compete with men. What kind if medieval paternalistic bullshit is that? They're every bit as good as men are at everything.

That Works posted:

Doc Hawkins posted:

i am ignorant of medical realities, but i know that among cis men who lift, use testosterone, and talk about it online, it is considered an accepted fact that a long period of training with increased test has benefits long after you stop taking it.

that said, i don't care about sports being fair, and i know that these kinds of discussions get used as a stalking horse for bigotry, so obviously the fair solution is to stop drug-testing fighters

The Verge posted:

Dr. Ramona Krtuzick, an endocrinologist well versed in the finer points of hormone therapies, says that because Fox started her treatment so late in life, it's unlikely her skeleton and musculature would change significantly. As Krutzick told Bloody Elbow:

"Typically, you're looking at about 15 years after androgen suppression and sexual reassignment surgery to really start to see significant changes in bone density. It's been too early for her to see much of a decrease in bone mass or to make her equal to that of a female. She started off with a much higher bone density than other women her same age, and therefore will maintain a lot of that for a while. Additionally, because she is taking estrogen, that will actually help to maintain that bone mass. Women also have lighter, child bearing hips because of the difference in hormones during the body's developmental years. Her skeleton and body mass and shape developed a long time ago. Those changes cannot be undone. They are permanent.

Her testosterone levels are more than likely in the normal female range, since her adrenals are the primary source for it now. She didn't undergo hormone therapy and surgery until she was fully developed, as compared to someone who completes therapy and surgery in their adolescence or very early adulthood, when they haven't completely developed. She has the potential to be significantly stronger because her muscle development reached several years beyond full maturity, giving her the potential to be significantly stronger than other age matched women.There's not really a way to determine how much her muscle mass will decrease over time. What can be said is that she has a naturally higher propensity to build and maintain muscle mass because she was once a fully developed, adult male. You can't ever take that away from her."

That Works posted:

ngl I found the original UFC of like 150lb Gracie vs like 220 lb Samoans and poo poo a hell of a lot more fun to watch.

Waroduce posted:

Joe sucks and the only time I listen to him is when he interviews fighters as he's got a fantastic knowledge of all things MMA. He's got a lot of lovely views and platforms nazis but this like trans-comment is imo kind of dumb. He's being crass, unsympathetic and saying poorly but he has a point.

I support trans rights, but when it comes to athletics, especially MMA or physical/contact sports there's a huge difference between a man and a women or male/female or whatever term we want to use. I ran a 10.53 100m in high school which is fast but in no way especially impressive as far as track times go (I didn't even qualify for state and rarely competed for my school. It was a requirement all athletes did a year of track). The womens world record is 10.49 and Olympic record is 10.69. I, a 17 year old boy who ran track for 6 months was faster than female Olympic sprinters. Gold in Rio in 2016 was something like 10.70/1. Go look at any measurable athletic statistic and you'll see a similar chasm. The women's Olympic soccer team who destroyed china in the world cup lost a tune up game 5-2 to an under 15 boys soccer team.


I really don't want to be probated/attacked over this and I think there's some nuanced discussion that needs to occur of which i am incredibly uneducated and unaware of the issues in this space, but I'm a former (now fat and old) high level athlete and when we start moving to D1, Olympic, World Class level athletes past high school there are realities that need to

bloops posted:

You genuinely believe USWNT went full attack on a bunch of kids and lost the game? Get the gently caress out of here you dork.

bloops posted:

You genuinely believe USWNT went full attack on a bunch of kids and lost the game? Get the gently caress out of here you dork.

Mr Crustacean posted:

Yes, it's true.
The physiological difference between fully grown post pubertal adult men and women in athletic performance is vast. In muscle mass, bone density and the associated peak upper body strength and anaerobic burst capacity.
It makes a huge difference, and is what allows these regional boys high school teams to simply outmuscle the far more technical National Women's teams.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/sports/olympics/25whockey.html

Mr Crustacean posted:

Yes, it's true.
The physiological difference between fully grown post pubertal adult men and women in athletic performance is vast. In muscle mass, bone density and the associated peak upper body strength and anaerobic burst capacity.
It makes a huge difference, and is what allows these regional boys high school teams to simply outmuscle the far more technical National Women's teams.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/sports/olympics/25whockey.html

Edgar posted:

Speaking of sports, Kobe Bryant is dead.

Edgar posted:

Speaking of sports, Kobe Bryant is dead.

bloops posted:

Again, I’m simply stating USWNT was not playing full attack, so to draw any conclusions from this is flawed. Would they have still lost? I don’t know or don’t give a poo poo. They play other women’s teams and whoop on them.

Quit talking from a purely technical biotruths level and use your head. You all sound like a bunch of communication-challenged engineers.

Edgar posted:

Speaking of sports, Kobe Bryant is dead.

Casimir Radon posted:

Did he try to rape the helicopter?

Riot Carol Danvers posted:

Kobe just died in a helicopter crash

https://myfox8.com/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-dies-in-helicopter-crash-tmz-reports/

Efb but with link

Chichevache posted:

Pro athletes are very well known for going soft on opponents because they dont have a hypercompetitive drive that makes them drat near sociopathic when it comes to competition.


If he had gone full attack on the helicopter he wouldn't have died.

SimonCat posted:

No one ever cares about the helicopter pilot.