Trainee PornStar posted:

As I read this, that 'bubble' sound from plague Inc went off in my head.

Away all Goats posted:

Man I'm so tired of all these armageddonteases

just another posted:

I'm mostly just shocked and a little incredulous at the idea that an entire city of millions, let alone multiple cities, can be quarantined.

hemale in pain posted:

hi guys, i really want to catch this new and exciting virus. any tips?

Enfys posted:

"There is a possibility that it is contagious during incubation" would be much different than "it is contagious during incubation".

Acting like it's fact without any given evidence leads to things like entire cities being shut down and people in a constant state of suspicious fear over whether or not they or anyone around them could be sick. Not sharing fairly groundbreaking facts with any other health organisations around the world is deeply irresponsible as well as pretty suspicious.

Assumptions like that are not neutral and they do have negative consequences. If it's not true (or if they don't have drat good evidence that it is at least a good possibility), it's going to seriously impede efforts to track down legitimate cases because suddenly field workers need to track down vast swathes of a population. Case histories are a nightmare when you have to try to pinpoint even a single person's movements for an entire two week period and follow up with every single person they came into contact with. It slows down the very important field work necessary to track what a virus is doing and how it is impacting a population. That's before you even get to things like mass quarantines, panic, overcrowding in hospitals and clinics from scared people who no longer have any idea if they could be contagious or sick, etc.

The spread of information is critical during any kind of public health crisis, but that information needs to be accurate, and people need to be able to have confidence in what public officials tell them.


"virus" covers an enormous range of different pathogens, and different families of virus behave very differently. One group of viruses commonly being contagious during the incubation period isn't that relevant to another group of viruses that have never previously been contagious during incubation. It's similar to how some viruses can spread through the air, while others require contact with bodily fluids. They don't all just mutate to have the same traits.

If they have evidence that a coronavirus has mutated to the point that it is now contagious during incubation period, that is really huge, and it's really important for everyone working in epidemiology to know the details ASAP, not some public statement without sharing any details with anyone else. Right now, there's a lot of people saying a lot of things because everyone is desperate for information, but accurate information takes time.

It *could* be true, but it's a really huge claim to make without any further explanation. A more cynical explanation would be that saying people are infectious for up to two weeks before showing symptoms gives the Chinese government enormous scope in limiting freedom of movement and shutting down access to services across the country.

Rat posted:

Not only do Americans miss out on public health care, but many lack any adequate paid sick leave (or it requires a doctor's note) and most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If this virus does require people to stay home to avoid the spread, that's not going to happen in America. The population can't afford it.

just another posted:

I'm mostly just shocked and a little incredulous at the idea that an entire city of millions, let alone multiple cities, can be quarantined.

Hungry posted:

China spends more on internal security than on defense.

SpaceCadetBob posted:

Thanks for the good post.

Got any info on incubation lengths for other corona viruses? How out of the ordinary is 14 days?

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

gunna be a bunch of sick people with guns threatening doctors who are already dying

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

Here's a political hot take, and forgive me if I'm a loving idiot. The lack of public healthcare in America actually stymies the spread of the disease, as people who are too afraid of bankrupting themselves do not go to the hospital. They die in solitude, causing the coronavirus to peter out in the USA. In countries where healthcare is guaranteed, the hospitals are flooded with people, some are not even sick but pick up the virus while waiting thus causing the virus to spread like wildfire and wipe out their populations.

Enfys posted:

a lot of people still need to work even when they are sick because they can't afford to take time off unless they are literally so ill they cannot stand up, and many low wage jobs are customer facing

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

Here's a political hot take, and forgive me if I'm a loving idiot. The lack of public healthcare in America actually stymies the spread of the disease, as people who are too afraid of bankrupting themselves do not go to the hospital. They die in solitude, causing the coronavirus to peter out in the USA. In countries where healthcare is guaranteed, the hospitals are flooded with people, some are not even sick but pick up the virus while waiting thus causing the virus to spread like wildfire and wipe out their populations.

Hungry posted:

Hungry posted:

One Olive Garden server is going to infect like 100 boomers/day.

Hungry posted:

One Olive Garden server is going to infect like 100 boomers/day.

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

Here's a political hot take, and forgive me if I'm a loving idiot. The lack of public healthcare in America actually stymies the spread of the disease, as people who are too afraid of bankrupting themselves do not go to the hospital.

Zotix posted:

5th case in the US. Now in Arizona.

Outrail posted:

Waiting to see how ice takes advantage of deathly Ill illegals going to hospitals. Probably throw them in detention with the healthy and justify mass deportations as a health risk.

Zil posted:

Don't give those ghouls ideas

Hungry posted:

One Olive Garden server is going to infect like 100 boomers/day.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Start lickin’ doorknobs and subway handles.

zenguitarman posted:

What's it like to die of the flu, sounds like a lovely way to go

Holyshoot posted:

I know this is super fygm but if you're a relatively healthy person who isn't over 80 can you recover? Or are they still trying to figure that out?

Hungry posted:

One Olive Garden server is going to infect like 100 boomers/day.