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Whoever mentioned Contagion, thank you now I have a case of the heebie-jeebies.
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Lol, I ordered some n95 masks couple of weeks ago because I was worried about smoke from some possible fires in the future after browsing the Australian thread. Now Amazon is already out of stock of most masks and they just jacked up the prices on the other masks that are left
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Luckyellow posted:Lol, I ordered some n95 masks couple of weeks ago because I was worried about smoke from some possible fires in the future after browsing the Australian thread. Now Amazon is already out of stock of most masks and they just jacked up the prices on the other masks that are left you can use a pair of underwear in a pinch
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VikingSkull posted:you can use a pair of underwear in a pinch Do they have to be clean
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EngineerJoe posted:Whoever mentioned Contagion, thank you now I have a case of the heebie-jeebies. You could watch Outbreak and see Kevin Spacey die a painful death.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Do they have to be clean god i hope not
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RandomBlue posted:You could watch Outbreak and see Kevin Spacey die a painful death. *drops heavy pile of papers loudly on desk* We’re in deep loving poo poo, Harry!!
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TOOT BOOT posted:Do they have to be clean I'd imagine if they were all munged up with taint butter or quim sauce that they'd filter even better.
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Jan 27, 2020 04:06
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bob dobbs is dead posted:The reusables are still in stock for some reason i usually wear my underwear for a week and then toss them are you saying theres another way
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TOOT BOOT posted:Do they have to be clean It's better if they're not, it's the Mr Burns theory of immunology
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TOOT BOOT posted:Do they have to be clean it's better if they aren't. the native bacteria and viruses will protect their turf and beat the poo poo out of any random visitor. just because Wuhan is the cool new kid on the block doesn't make it the big dog in the jock.
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I worked ina daycare for a while and they’d punish you nice and hard for calling in sick. You have a fever? gently caress you, you’re getting it good unless you come in and spread it to the 12 infants you work with. I’m a public school teacher now and they’d love to be able to do that but they understand that there’d be a PR shitstorm, thankfully. Local news outlets would love to run “IS YOUR FIRST GRADER SICK? MAYBE IT’S THE DISTRICT’S FAULT” stories.
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BBC says over 300 in critical condition https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51259649
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As an old one thing is different than before (Adjusts glasses) Now that we all carry cell phones which most of us don't sanitize because gently caress I paid 800 bucks for it, can't get it wet.. That fact alone would make some of us sick. I wash my hands 30 times a shift at work and handle my dirty phone all day. I think this huge change would matter in an epidemic.
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Jan 27, 2020 05:15
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Charlz Guybon posted:BBC says over 300 in critical condition drat those police are quick
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pnumoman posted:The poster clearly doesn't understand that the death toll isn't the only measure of a crisis. Well I'm not an authority on that, but the WHO kinda is and didn't declare an international crisis. They did point out, and I agree, that people should keep an eye out on this virus and take steps where appropriate. Just as China is doing. The death toll is a figure readily available. Both for the yearly influenza and the Wuhan coronavirus. Infection rate is harder to come by, since many patients just ride out the disease . I'd like a source on how many of the infected have to receive ICU treatment to survive. Half? Third? Quarter? One in twenty? That'd give indication of a crisis, not that wild speculation on the total number of ICU beds in China. Basically, when I see data to be worried about I'll worry. Lacking that, online speculation and sensationalist news articles only make me frustrated.
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WebMD has some numbers on the US flu season so far. Expect inaccuracies, but maybe the magnitudes are correct: So far: 13 million illnesses, 120,000 hospitalizations (no mention if these are ICU), 6,600 dead. This hasn't made headlines in international news, but the new coronavirus has. The flu is not closing down public transport, theme parks and movie theaters. Sure, great that peeps take steps to curb a new disease. Boo to the media for making a huge deal out of it.
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Wheezer posted:WebMD has some numbers on the US flu season so far. Expect inaccuracies, but maybe the magnitudes are correct: Youd make a good CCP whatabouter.
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I also don't put any stock in "the WHO know what they're doing, so if they're not panicking I'm not panicking". The WHO added Traditional Chinese Medicine, which is not evidence based or grounded in cell theory, to its global compendium. To me that reeks of Chinese government influence and interference, almost certainly in the way of funding. Meanwhile they continue to block Taiwanese participation in the WHO. It all demonstrates a long tradition of the WHO capitulating to the demands of the Chinese government, often times putting lives at risk for strictly political reasons. So when a new virus breaks out in China and everyone has been saying forever that it is almost certainly transmitting human-to-human but China denied it vehemently before it was literally impossible to do so anymore and only then started to act, yeah I'm a little skeptical when the WHO says, "Nah, nothing to worry about."
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Ah yes the failing new york times is making a big deal out of this, not the government thats quarantining cities of 20m. Also the difference between a novel virus and a virus thats been with mankind since time immemorial might be why people are concerned Despera fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Wheezer posted:Well I'm not an authority on that, but the WHO kinda is and didn't declare an international crisis. They did point out, and I agree, that people should keep an eye out on this virus and take steps where appropriate. Just as China is doing. Of the 1st forty one cases, 100% developed pneumonia and 15% died.
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Wheezer posted:WebMD has some numbers on the US flu season so far. Expect inaccuracies, but maybe the magnitudes are correct: Even if this new virus is exactly transmissible and exactly as lethal as the current flu virus, the lack of a vaccine means that it will spread wider and to more vulnerable people and healthcare providers.
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Spinz posted:That fact alone would make some of us sick. I wash my hands 30 times a shift at work and handle my dirty phone all day. I think this huge change would matter in an epidemic. Huh... That's an interesting point. Everyone uses their phone on the crapper. You can sanitize the gently caress out of your hands after and even open the door with a paper towel, but you're still going to be poking the entertainment/communication rectangle in a few minutes. Then it's time to shake hands or make food!
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Charlz Guybon posted:Of the 1st forty one cases, 100% developed pneumonia and 15% died. Yeah it's almost like people are trying to downplay this because they are freaked out 15% mortality rate, 50+ million people quarantined, spreading 3x to 5x faster than normal flu.
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Symptoms of the first 41 patients https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext quote:41 admitted hospital patients had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection. Most of the infected patients were men (30 [73%] of 41); less than half had underlying diseases (13 [32%]), including diabetes (eight [20%]), hypertension (six [15%]), and cardiovascular disease (six [15%]). Median age was 49·0 years (IQR 41·0–58·0). 27 (66%) of 41 patients had been exposed to Huanan seafood market. One family cluster was found. Common symptoms at onset of illness were fever (40 [98%] of 41 patients), cough (31 [76%]), and myalgia or fatigue (18 [44%]); less common symptoms were sputum production (11 [28%] of 39), headache (three [8%] of 38), haemoptysis (two [5%] of 39), and diarrhoea (one [3%] of 38). Dyspnoea developed in 22 (55%) of 40 patients (median time from illness onset to dyspnoea 8·0 days [IQR 5·0–13·0]). 26 (63%) of 41 patients had lymphopenia. All 41 patients had pneumonia with abnormal findings on chest CT. Complications included acute respiratory distress syndrome (12 [29%]), RNAaemia (six [15%]), acute cardiac injury (five [12%]) and secondary infection (four [10%]). 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died. Compared with non-ICU patients, ICU patients had higher plasma levels of IL2, IL7, IL10, GSCF, IP10, MCP1, MIP1A, and TNFα.
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Spinz posted:As an old one thing is different than before My friend did you know that most smart phones are waterproof, and have been for years? That alone doesn't get people to sanitize their phones but if you upgrade your ancient flip phone then you totally can if you want to
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Charlz Guybon posted:Symptoms of the first 41 patients *and diarrhoea (one [3%] of 38)* At least we probably won’t poo poo ourselves to death
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Charlz Guybon posted:Symptoms of the first 41 patients Keep in mind, this is a group of people that were already admitted to the hospital with what was, at the time, some kind of weird unidentified viral pneumonia. This is scary and all, but it's not "if you get it, 32% chance you have to go to the ICU and 16% chance you're dead" scary. quote:Further studies in outpatient, primary care, or community settings are needed to get a full picture of the spectrum of clinical severity.
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Wheezer posted:WebMD has some numbers on the US flu season so far. Expect inaccuracies, but maybe the magnitudes are correct: Per your numbers, the flu season has had a mortality rate of 0.05% with most people just recovering in bed normally. You are comparing these to a mortality rate that's more than 100x higher, coupled with about a 30% likelihood of needing an ICU for more than a week Granted, the statistical uncertainty is a lot larger this early in the outbreak, but by all accounts the symptoms are a lot more severe than seasonal flu. Could... that be why China is quarantining entire cities??? QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Despera posted:Largest country on earth is shutting itself down = No Big Deal Correct. What's more important is the death of Kobe Bryant and his daughters. God bless America.
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Mortality of admitted people is not the same as mortality of infected. We don’t know how many infected didn’t go to the hospital and recovered without intervention.
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Holyshoot posted:Correct. What's more important is the death of Kobe Bryant and his daughters. God bless America. 
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In the end Oregon Trail kills us all.
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Holyshoot posted:Correct. What's more important is the death of Kobe Bryant and his daughters. God bless America. https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1221651024420753408
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QuarkJets posted:Per your numbers, the flu season has had a mortality rate of 0.05% with most people just recovering in bed normally. You are comparing these to a mortality that's more than 100x higher, coupled with about a 30% likelihood of needing an ICU for more than a week I responded to you saying that mortality is not the only measure of severity. Those figures allow us to compare the scale of the infection to flu. Note that the flu season is a major health issue which pretty much goes unreported. To make my position clear: Yes, the new coronavirus is scarier than your average flu. No, nothing so far makes me panic. The scale just isn't there - a few thousand are sick and even if only a third of cases is reported, that's still pretty small compared to the population in the area. No, I don't trust statistics coming out of China. Yes, Traditional Chinese Medicine is bullshit. Mao's regime started promoting it during the 60's when no western medicine was available in China - stamping various snake oil treatments traditional makes things worse, not better. And maybe, maybe China is right in quarantining Wuhan and taking other action. Ultimately, the media is making a huge deal out of a disease which doesn't deserve it. I'll change my position as new data becomes available, but I'm not stocking up on rice and water on my way to the face mask store quite yet. And don't loving put me in the same camp as the CCP. My opinion on the Chinese government isn't the point of this thread though.
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Calm down Beavis
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kazr posted:Calm down Beavis He is Coronholio
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