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OwlFancier posted:Even then the idea that you're going to defeat capitalism without engaging with the way it controls the country seems iffy. Unless you've got the instant revolution button lying around, you are, ultimately, looking to build support for an electoral victory. And if you're doing that you might as well be a member of the labour party. It’s got to be both working within the parliamentary system and conducting action in the name of the party outside of the usual bounds, ie in communities directly.
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OwlFancier posted:All of which are good, but ultimately incapable of actually doing anything about capitalism or even the tories outside of electoralism. You're the one complaining about a lack of Revolution button - campaigning every few years to try and win a council seat isn't going to make that button appear and the number of revolutions coming OUT of a parliament rather than storming into one are pretty drat small.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:It’s got to be both working within the parliamentary system and conducting action in the name of the party outside of the usual bounds, ie in communities directly. Yes, I concur, limiting your political imagination to the preferences of the central party is silly, and ideally you could expand your tactics further though that will struggle to attract willing bodies, but leaving the party and doing socialism in one community seems unlikely and somewhat unhelpful.
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You can do stuff outside the Labour apparatus while still operating inside it to nudge it in the right direction, these things aren't mutually exclusive. Leaving Labour to concentrate on non-electoral work is dumb as hell because you're implying a necessary trade off that doesn't exist and also implicitly encouraging other people to follow your dumb example.
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namesake posted:You're the one complaining about a lack of Revolution button - campaigning every few years to try and win a council seat isn't going to make that button appear and the number of revolutions coming OUT of a parliament rather than storming into one are pretty drat small. I'm saying that I don't see what is going to happen if you're suggesting that radicals should leave the party and go back to being even more politically irrelevant? Like there's a reason we have next to no left organization in the country and it's not because the labour party is too hopeful. People don't leave it and form revolutionary cadres, they leave it and cease participating meaningfully in politics, because the UK does not have very many people in it who are interested in radical political action, and is unlikely to get them any time soon. I still think you have far more chance of electing a left-ish government than you do of triggering a non-electoral solution to the problems our lovely government and economic system cause.
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Wolfsbane posted:Yeah, that's my sticking point. I'm in a small CLP in a safe Tory constituency, the gently caress am I going to do to defeat capitalism? I really hope people in areas with Labour MPs or councils can achieve something because I'm pretty sure that we can't. I have a Labour MP. She nominated Jess Philips.
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ThomasPaine posted:You can do stuff outside the Labour apparatus while still operating inside it to nudge it in the right direction, these things aren't mutually exclusive. Leaving Labour to concentrate on non-electoral work is dumb as hell because you're implying a necessary trade off that doesn't exist and also implicitly encouraging other people to follow your dumb example. It does exist for individuals even if both projects can coexist and then it's a question of priorities - community defence and climate action can't wait for the Labour Party to sort its poo poo out, assuming the left even wins out in the end, and individuals have to make a choice about spending their time and energy. Corbynism was always a hope to leapfrog over a lot of the basic societal organising into state power and then backfill the gaps but that's not happened so the priority is turning back to what was neglected because the momentum and power of Corbynism wasn't enough by itself and won't come back either. OwlFancier posted:I'm saying that I don't see what is going to happen if you're suggesting that radicals should leave the party and go back to being even more politically irrelevant? Like there's a reason we have next to no left organization in the country and it's not because the labour party is too hopeful. People don't leave it and form revolutionary cadres, they leave it and cease participating meaningfully in politics, because the UK does not have very many people in it who are interested in radical political action, and is unlikely to get them any time soon. Okay so we're having the argument of reform versus revolution paths to socialism? History sides with me there I'm afraid- revolutionary organisations are consciously built and it's a huge waste of talent and energy to tell passionate people that the best way they can defend human rights and defeat capitalism is engaging in an internal war for control of a political party which then sits in opposition until something else happens.
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If it can't wait for the labour party then I'm not sure it can wait for the development of a successful revolutionary communist organization in the UK either. Like what am I supposed to tell people? Yes you can try to make a new organization and maybe if you're very successful you will manage to split the left vote and hand the tories a bigger majority? Which is better than any left organization in the UK other than the labour party has ever managed? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Show up at events that other people have organized and start handing out your own branded placards. I'd suggest SWPEWDRP, pronounced Sweeper. Socialist Workers' Party Except We Don't Rape People. The important bit there is that you actually have to remember not to allow the leadership to become a rape cult. Also no mandatory jazz concerts.
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Hello my dears. I'm back, not to talk about whatever fresh lamentable hell we find ourselves in (I don't want to know) but to ask your advice. I'm particularly asking Ms Adequate and Rarity, if yous are still hanging out here. I found a letter on my Dad's laptop. I didn't read it, just saw the title, but it was something like 'there is a legal age limit for driving, drinking, joining the army, and there should be for trans treatment too'. I thought that after being wrong about everything before - he was intensely homophobic til my cousin and my brother both came out, lol - he might have learned his lesson, but it seems he's jumped straight onto the new bigotry de jour. I'm not going to convince him of anything within the 'debate', because he's a stubborn old bugger and is more profoundly assured that he is right about everything than almost anyone I've ever met. I just want him to keep it to himself. Can anyone (again, esp. Ms A, Rarity, and any other trans posters I've forgotten) have a look at this draft email and make any suggestions? It's kind of a personal email, but I trust and am comfortable with you all. TIA x this guy posted:Hello Pa.
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OwlFancier posted:If it can't wait for the labour party then I'm not sure it can wait for the development of a successful revolutionary communist organization in the UK either. The aims of non parliamentary activism is not to run for office? It's to organise people to directly demand and achieve their aims?
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Barry Foster posted:Hello my dears. I'm not trans but it reads good to me and it's a good thing you're doing, imo. Best of luck
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namesake posted:The aims of non parliamentary activism is not to run for office? It's to organise people to directly demand and achieve their aims? And what are you going to do when the government says no? What are you going to do against the now shittier than ever labour party that you told everyone to abandon, promising actual deliverable reforms which don't amount to enough but which act as a direct opposition to your more radical suggestions? Or the tories who have full control of the press and the cops and everything else which would be extremely effective at suppressing leftist organization, as they have been throughout the history of the UK? What do you plan to do about the international response even if you did manage to take over the country with a coup? Again what is the process you believe creates a plurality of people in the UK who are willing to literally overthrow the government in a very short timeframe? Because I do not believe there is one. I do not believe you can will a revolution into being. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Looking for some legal advice. I'm a sole trader, recently decided to change my phone contract (2 lines, one business one personal). Went through a company to get a decent deal, works as such: My bill to O2 is for £82.80, the company then sends me a monthly chunk of cash to effectively discount my bill down to £45.24. I have a contract from them that states this. They asked for an invoice for the amount of the discount, so that their accounts department can get it set up to send out every month. As i'm a non-VAT registered company (turnover under 85k), I sent an invoice for the full amount. They are now saying that they can only pay me the full amount minus VAT. This takes their contribution down from £37.56/month down to £31.30 a month. It's not a lot, but it's the principle as much as anything else. Given that I have a contract that states my bill will go from X to Y with their contribution, and now they're saying it'll go from X to Y+£6, do I have a leg to stand on here legally?
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Miftan posted:I'm not trans but it reads good to me and it's a good thing you're doing, imo. Best of luck Thanks dude. It's not going to work and it's going to blow up our relationship, but I can't not do it
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OwlFancier posted:And what are you going to do when the government says no? Okay you've given up, that's not good but whatever. Keep fighting within the Labour Party if you must or it's the only thing you will do but it's not the only thing to do and it's better for a lot of other people if there are others taking up active organising with the goal of protecting themselves directly and building groups willing to do things other than run candidates in elections.
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Barry Foster posted:Thanks dude. It's not going to work and it's going to blow up our relationship, but I can't not do it Honestly sometimes it's better to let relationships explode for your own well being if you can afford to let them. I've blown up relationships over homophobia and people who think Jews should only marry other Jews before, but those were friends not immediate family. I hope it works out for you in any case 
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Miftan posted:Honestly sometimes it's better to let relationships explode for your own well being if you can afford to let them. I've blown up relationships over homophobia and people who think Jews should only marry other Jews before, but those were friends not immediate family. I hope it works out for you in any case It's my mum I worry about tbh, she can't bear conflict in the family and it'll really really upset her. I could survive not having a relationship with my dad, even if it would suck, but if he does get cross I'll be the one at fault in both their eyes But then the problem with growing up in an environment like that is that, well, I'm obsessed with keeping my thoughts to myself and never upsetting anyone even when it's necessary, so hosed either way I guess lol In any case, muchos gracias x
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Barry Foster posted:It's my mum I worry about tbh, she can't bear conflict in the family and it'll really really upset her. I could survive not having a relationship with my dad, even if it would suck, but if he does get cross I'll be the one at fault in both their eyes The way you describe him makes him sound very familiar, so yeah, it does suck. People like that are probably my least favourite people in the world. And yeah they never notice the harm they do to others, because we all learn to defer, and they mistake that for them being right rather than just too much effort to correct. I hope it works out for you whatever happens.
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OwlFancier posted:And what are you going to do when the government says no? Don't think an open forum is really the best spot to discuss strategies for overthrowing the government.
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Barry Foster posted:It's my mum I worry about tbh, she can't bear conflict in the family and it'll really really upset her. I could survive not having a relationship with my dad, even if it would suck, but if he does get cross I'll be the one at fault in both their eyes I don't know much about your situation so this may be wildly off the mark. I apologise for making assumptions and whatnot but in situations where someone is so insistent on keeping the peace that they look away from abuse or bullying or even just someone being an absolute poo poo they're the one at fault and it's not your responsibility to keep her happy when she sides with regressive fuckwads. I'm phrasing this really badly, but hopefully my point came across? I can understand not wanting to upset your mom but she's not being neutral. By insisting on 'peacefulness' she is picking a side just like liberals are picking a side when they insist on decorum and not holding fascists to account.
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Miftan posted:I don't know much about your situation so this may be wildly off the mark. I apologise for making assumptions and whatnot but in situations where someone is so insistent on keeping the peace that they look away from abuse or bullying or even just someone being an absolute poo poo they're the one at fault and it's not your responsibility to keep her happy when she sides with regressive fuckwads. Oh I know it, I'm also just really close to her and love her more than almost anyone else in the world. OwlFancier posted:The way you describe him makes him sound very familiar, so yeah, it does suck. People like that are probably my least favourite people in the world. And yeah they never notice the harm they do to others, because we all learn to defer, and they mistake that for them being right rather than just too much effort to correct. Thanks bud x
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OwlFancier posted:And what are you going to do when the government says no? If your activism is to do a specific thing then it pretty much has to be non-affiliated to any party, especially a party that's not in power. Non-affiliated activism is the one thing that has managed to successfully change attitudes in the country one way or another.
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Aramoro posted:If your activism is to do a specific thing then it pretty much has to be non-affiliated to any party, especially a party that's not in power. Non-affiliated activism is the one thing that has managed to successfully change attitudes in the country one way or another. On the other hand, brexit? Like it contains good examples of counterpoints to both, the allegedly non partisan efforts to remain failed miserably (and hosed up all the parties that touched them) and the overtly partisan efforts to do it succeeded wildly. Or alternatively: Scottish independence, which is doing a very good job of controlling the political landscape in Scotland and is likely to succeed within the decade. If anything I would suggest that the opposite is true, if you want a specific thing done the best way to get it done is to get a political party to make it a plank of their campaign. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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tfw u poo poo urself as the camera clicks https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1221376202843262976?s=20
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also has anyone got any funny reactions from Doctor Who introducing a second, black female, Doctor? I'm assuming there must be some furious gammons over it
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Tesseraction posted:also has anyone got any funny reactions from Doctor Who introducing a second, black female, Doctor? I'm assuming there must be some furious gammons over it https://www.twitter.com
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I wonder if you could use a tiny set of letter punches to overface that and it'd still go through a self service machine.
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Genuinely think Weeters believes her own garbage and doesn't realise that once the Tories won the election her grift became totally irrelevant. She honestly thinks she's getting a columnist slot out of this while 90% of the people who were egging her on have already forgotten she exists lol https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1221761944102850566?s=19 ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Tesseraction posted:tfw u poo poo urself as the camera clicks https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1221376202843262976?s=20 Tesseraction posted:also has anyone got any funny reactions from Doctor Who introducing a second, black female, Doctor? I'm assuming there must be some furious gammons over it
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OwlFancier posted:On the other hand, brexit? The only way to get a political party to take up your cause is for it to be a cause in the first place. Very very few activist ideas came from within a party, mostly they came from external influence on a party. The Brexit campaign was political from the start, it was very clearly affiliated,albeit to factions rather than whole parties, one way or the other. In Scotland at least. I think you've got it slightly backwards there as Scottish Independence is the reason for the party, not an idea that someone inside and already existing party thought of. The Green party is the same, a party created to pursue existing activism.
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MR PAINE WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS STOP POSTING YOUR CURSES
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ThomasPaine posted:Genuinely think Weeters believes her own garbage and doesn't realise that once the Tories won the election her grift became totally irrelevant. She honestly thinks she's getting a columnist slot out of this while 90% of the people who were egging her on have already forgotten she exists lol Wasn't there a mod challenge where you were supposed to propose to tweetman before being allowed to post her tweets?
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Have you proposed to her with an iphone ring case yet? If nobody does by the end of the month then a final arbitration will be made on whether weet tweets are allowed on February 1st by means of Official Brexit 50p Coin.
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chestnut santabag posted:Wasn't there a mod challenge where you were supposed to propose to tweetman before being allowed to post her tweets? If I propose I guarantee my right to Weetpost, if someone else does they can either guarantee that right or ban it entirely, until then I can indulge myself at thread's expense sorry. Go declare your undying love for her if you want me to stop! Tesseraction posted:MR PAINE WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS STOP POSTING YOUR CURSES Sorry Tess, it was a lapse of judgement in a moment of weakness but we all have those eh? 
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Star Wars podcast was good! Wish I could have done it, but someone stepped up for Last Jedi so that was good. One the topic of representation in SW, the Aftermath books, which cover the collapse of the Empire and establishment of the First Order, features a prominent gay character. It centres largely on Temin Wexly, who is depicted as a bratty teen but who grows up into the fat cop from Heroes, who was left in the care of his aunts, as in two women married to each other. There's also a nonbinary pirate (xe/xir prounouns) which is all positive, but I couldn't help but feel like they went through a checklist, is that even a fair criticism. Or is representation good even if it's cynical, or is it just fine and I'm only noticing because this is, as far as I know, the first we've seen of this in the setting? Possibly Doctor Aphra in the comics was established as a lesbian first, and she's great by the way. Another interesting topic, although one that probably calls for much more examination of stuff beyond the films, is how racist is the Empire meant to be? Obviously it's all humans on the Star Destroyer bridges and Wookies are enslaved, but it was the old EU that attributed institutional racism, where Imperals often used the term "alien" as opposed to "non-human". Then the prequels come out and Sheev employs multiple persons of other races, and whilst Maul could be seen as cynically used as a weapon, i think the bald grey woman from the senate has been suggested as Rey's gram-gram.
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