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Scooter_McCabe posted:Trump removed from office in a manner that allows the GOP to claim it was the "deep state" and Democrats promises to keep his base around for years with something to "avenge." It also preserves their control of the senate rather than probably losing it for shielding Trump. Even Mitch McConnell understands what happens if they shield Trump and he loses the election. It means a shift in power and the end of his career, it also means a pissed of Democratic party with the ability ram as many laws as possible through with the time they have. The last time we had this we got a Heritage Foundation health plan.
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ImpAtom posted:The GOP suffers literally no consequences for anything they do so it doesn't really matter. Not a single Republican actually cares about anything but their team winning. You are absolutely right. When the founders came up with impeachment they didn't envision a group of senators so devoid of integrity as to put their own power ahead of the constitution. Now we have this poo poo show
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Failed Imagineer posted:Big burn on the Swiss out of nowhere Get it right nerd. 
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lemonadesweetheart posted:Get it right nerd. Really we need a crying toblerone emoji
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Failed Imagineer posted:Really we need a crying toblerone emoji I'm still pissed they removed :ireland: after I bought it 10 years ago.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:I'm still pissed they removed :ireland: after I bought it 10 years ago. Tbf I don't think I ever saw it used in any of the Ireland threads. Nevertheless, your martyrdom will be remembered along with the heroes of 1916
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So is there a reason beyond, hey I have a book coming out, that Bolton's manuscript went to the white house at this moment in the trial? I mean I understand he's a ghoul, but I was also pretty sure he was a party (as in Repub) mainstay that never wavered? Did Trump sour him this badly that he wants to sink president deals?
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An insane mind posted:So is there a reason beyond, hey I have a book coming out, that Bolton's manuscript went to the white house at this moment in the trial? I mean I understand he's a ghoul, but I was also pretty sure he was a party (as in Repub) mainstay that never wavered? Did "President" Trump sour him this badly that he wants to sink president deals? Apparently they've had the manuscript for 6 weeks. I guess he wants to blow up Mr. Deals.
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An insane mind posted:So is there a reason beyond, hey I have a book coming out, that Bolton's manuscript went to the white house at this moment in the trial? I mean I understand he's a ghoul, but I was also pretty sure he was a party (as in Repub) mainstay that never wavered? Did Trump sour him this badly that he wants to sink president deals? Bolton is absolutely a tacky bitch who loves drama.
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this seems like an important timeline to note, and is possibly insane. https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1221790971991592961
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An insane mind posted:So is there a reason beyond, hey I have a book coming out, that Bolton's manuscript went to the white house at this moment in the trial? I mean I understand he's a ghoul, but I was also pretty sure he was a party (as in Repub) mainstay that never wavered? Did Trump sour him this badly that he wants to sink president deals? Standard practice for anyone with security clearance, supposedly. They look over it and give the 'no classified information in here' approval.
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Bolton is basically the opposite kind of ghoul from the McConnell's of the world in that he's an ideological zealot, not a partisan one. He just happens to have the most fellow war lovers in the GOP at the moment.
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Winkle-Daddy posted:this seems like an important timeline to note, and is possibly insane. Days after "seeing" the book, as opposed to reading it.
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Suddenly that basement locked filing cabinet labeled "beware of the leopard" doesn't seem like such a bad idea
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Winkle-Daddy posted:this seems like an important timeline to note, and is possibly insane. Yeah, if hard evidence is ever brought to light confirming this, there is an absolute need to impeach Trump on using assassination as a quid-pro-quo to prevent his former Secretary of Defense from standing as a witness. That’s arguably worse than withholding aid.
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HONG KONG SLUMLORD posted:Yeah, if hard evidence is ever brought to light confirming this, there is an absolute need to impeach Trump on using assassination as a quid-pro-quo to prevent his former Secretary of Defense from standing as a witness. That’s arguably worse than withholding aid. Everything that man does is transactional. He is Quid Pro Quo made flesh.
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Yeah pretty sure it goes witnesses followed by removal. Things are lining up nicely for the first US president to go to jail.
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LeeMajors posted:Everything that man does is transactional. He is Quid Pro Quo made flesh. He is incapable of understanding the world except in transactional terms, he's a quintessential narcissist.
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Ghouls hiding from sunlight? Why I never!
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https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1221819647911235584 https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1221818109499146243 Romney talking like they already have the votes to force Bolton. eke out fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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ahahahahaha wow who could've seen this coming really, no really, i'm sure there's time for trump to finally hire some smart, competent people and to stop doing crimes and to turn this all around. Okay done gloating. Today's gonna be interesting. eke out posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1221819647911235584 I'm 99% sure they've had them since thursday or friday when R senators were like begrudgingly congratulating schiff, but people were still holding out for something, anything over the weekend.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1221819647911235584 Yeah the book leaking seems to have changed the formula a bit. Bolton's testimony will be must see tv. In my fantasy timeline he implicates Mulvaney and Pompeo and they are forced to be called as well.
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sweet, looks like witnesses are happening
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Yeah pretty sure it goes witnesses followed by removal. Things are lining up nicely for the first US president to go to jail. As much as I'd like you to be correct, I really don't think you should set yourself up for disappointment like this. The republicans are not under any circumstances going to remove Trump. It literally doesn't matter what we see or hear. All this will just make it worse for them electorally after they acquit Trump but save yourself the anguish and don't let yourself hope that republicans will do anything approaching the right thing, ever.
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oxsnard posted:sweet, looks like witnesses are happening Or at least Bolton. But that could easily trigger more. This is like the worst-case scenario for vulnerable purple Senators -- or rapidly careening downhill for them, at least.
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empty whippet box posted:As much as I'd like you to be correct, I really don't think you should set yourself up for disappointment like this. The republicans are not under any circumstances going to remove Trump. It literally doesn't matter what we see or hear. All this will just make it worse for them electorally after they acquit Trump but save yourself the anguish and don't let yourself hope that republicans will do anything approaching the right thing, ever. On the one hand, yeah maybe you're right. On the other hand: imagine that they continue handling everything in literally the worst way possible and Trump sabotages his own defense even more and we get another damaging leak or two. Because that's entirely more likely than the best or even not-bad case scenario for Trump rn
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CyberPingu posted:If the Senate acquits? Can Trump still be arrested etc after leaving office? Or would it have to be on other charges as double jeopardy etc no, double jeopardy is completely unrelated to impeachment. for the purposes of criminal law, this isn't a trial it's a "trial"
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"I was always going to vote for witnesses, honest!"
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CyberPingu posted:If the Senate acquits? Can Trump still be arrested etc after leaving office? Or would it have to be on other charges as double jeopardy etc Impeachment is not a criminal procedure. Trump is still on the hook for any crimes he has committed.
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CyberPingu posted:If the Senate acquits? Can Trump still be arrested etc after leaving office? Or would it have to be on other charges as double jeopardy etc I would think double jeopardy wouldn't apply since the Senate trial is not a criminal trial.
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Deteriorata posted:Impeachment is not a criminal procedure. Trump is still on the hook for any crimes he has committed. SchrodingersCat posted:I would think double jeopardy wouldn't apply since the Senate trial is not a criminal trial. Cool thanks. So in response Scooter_McCabe posted:Yeah pretty sure it goes witnesses followed by removal. Things are lining up nicely for the first US president to go to jail. Technically never said sitting president so could still go to jail post election
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God this poo poo is some incredible twists and turns, edge of your seat nonsense. I love it, and by that I mean I hate it so very, very much, but I can't stop watching
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Trump always bragging about getting high ratings and tons of viewers is pretty funny when it's become apparent that his Obvious Crimes are causing it and will most likely lead to him getting removed. Or at least burn a thousand bridges down. It's not enough for Trump to get removed, we need this to a treatise on how the GOP operates and that they must be voted out in every election.
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Captain Invictus posted:God this poo poo is some incredible twists and turns, edge of your seat nonsense. I love it, and by that I mean I hate it so very, very much, but I can't stop watching Someone tell Trump the ratings are good this time
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