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MrMojok posted:Alright, I will be the idiot here. If visibility is bad, and you are flying a helicopter in these conditions, why can you not take the helo 2000' feet above the highest known terrain feature? Because that would be an admission that you don't know the route like the back of your hand and you are not, in fact, the awesome pilot you think you are.
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Because then you’d need an IFR clearance.
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Flying in conditions where you don't have constant visuals with the ground change the flight from Visual Flight Rules (VFR) to Instrument Flight Rules (IFR). Pilots require additional training and certification to fly in IFR conditions. I am not familiar with what the flight plan filing procedures are for helicopters but I imagine there are different clearances required to fly IFR in Los Angeles which is one of the busiest areas in the US.
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Hekk posted:Flying in conditions where you don't have constant visuals with the ground change the flight from Visual Flight Rules (VFR) to Instrument Flight Rules (IFR). Pilots require additional training and certification to fly in IFR conditions. I am not familiar with what the flight plan filing procedures are for helicopters but I imagine there are different clearances required to fly IFR in Los Angeles which is one of the busiest areas in the US. Dood this happened up around Malibu, there is nothing but loving hills up there, it is literal nonstop hills on top of hills
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MrMojok posted:Dood this happened up around Malibu, there is nothing but loving hills up there, it is literal nonstop hills on top of hills Air traffic, not cars. edit- Also, I am not an expert on flying helicopters but I have flown. For planes, I can fly VFR without filing a flight plan. However, if I want to fly IFR, I need the IFR rating, an aircraft with all of the equipment necessary to fly IFR, and I need to file a flight plan in order to be granted clearance. Hekk fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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It may not be infrastructure week, but it sure is Brexit Week. 
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Asking out of complete ignorance: what steps would have been taken with a better pilot that found themselves in a similar low-viz, hazardous-terrain situation? 1) Pilot recognizes they're in a bad situation 2) Pilot calls it in 3) ??? 4) Helicopter lands safely
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EBB posted:It may not be infrastructure week, but it sure is Brexit Week. I'm pumped as hell and ready to gloat and I feel far less bad for the brits than I do the americans though that'll likely change come november
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I kinda also want to gloat and laugh and all that good stuff, but the end of the day, I still feel bad for the people getting hosed. At least I'm kinda hoping for some juicy drama from a friend working at a HAUPTZOLLAMT. He isn't really involved in the actual international customs operations, but pretty much every customs employee has been getting an earful of the clusterfuck in the past couple of years.
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A friend made this.
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EBB posted:It may not be infrastructure week, but it sure is Brexit Week. Hell yes
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Cugel the Clever posted:Asking out of complete ignorance: what steps would have been taken with a better pilot that found themselves in a similar low-viz, hazardous-terrain situation? 1Announce that you are inadvertent IMC 2Transition to the instruments. 3Level the wings, turning only to avoid known obstacles. 4 Climb to a safe altitude. 5 Squawk emergency on the transponder. 6. Contact ATC and request vectors to nearest appropriate approach. You don't need a clearance if it's an emergency and you can request a pop up clearance if the conditions are deteriorating. Edit: A better pilot would have scrubbed the flight or filed IFR to start with. SimonCat fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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ded posted:from the gbs china thread Had a look at that thread and holy poo poo there's a lot of sick loving people with redtext who are gleeful at the coronavirus killing Chinese people
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Racists gonna racist unfortunately There's five cases in Australia now I think
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Unless the coronavirus is guaranteed to kill us all, you do not in fact gotta hand it to it.
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Vasudus posted:Unless the coronavirus is guaranteed to kill us all, you do not in fact gotta hand it to it. I'm rooting for a global pandemic, but this isn't gonna be the one.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Asking out of complete ignorance: what steps would have been taken with a better pilot that found themselves in a similar low-viz, hazardous-terrain situation? The pilot was flying under Special VFR (Visual Flight Rules). There are three types of flight rules: VFR - Weather is good (1000ft ceilings and >3 miles visibility per the rules but that’s the bare minimum) and I want to navigate by looking outside but take the responsibility of not hitting anything completely. IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) - Weather is dog poo poo (weather less than 1000/3) and I am flying solely by looking at instrumentation in the aircraft except for takeoff and the last part of landing, right before touchdown. ATC takes the responsibility for ensuring I don’t hit anything provided I am following their instructions and playing by the rules. Special VFR - An ATC clearance to fly under VFR when weather is less than the standard VFR conditions. Pilot and aircraft must be rated to fly IFR and the pilot must specifically request Special VFR. I only need a minimum of 1 mile visibility and to remain clear of clouds. You are supposed to operate at slow enough speeds to allow you to react. As a helo pilot, I operated under Special VFR many times. Generally my flying was going to be done at 500 feet and the ceiling was at, say 900ft, and we’d usually be at 70-90 KIAS, not 161. That being said, I was based out of Norfolk where all the airports were at sea level and the only thing I had to worry about were a couple large towers. What this pilot should have done: 1) Realize the weather was too bad and elected for an IFR clearance before going flying. Or 2) Realize the weather was too bad while he’s circling outside of the first airport and request and IFR clearance while airborne. Or 3) Once he pushed along his route and realized it was too bad, immediately declare an emergency with ATC and hit the emergency button on his transponder, turn away from known obstacles, and begin a climb to either a) the published minimum safe altitude or b) until he is above/clear of the clouds. The real sad part about it is there is really nothing that happens to you if you declare an emergency. ATC makes you a priority and try’s to get you safe. Plenty of people are too afraid to declare and emergency because they don’t want to admit they hosed up, don’t realize how bad they’ve hosed up, or are afraid they FAA will come down on them (again, generally doesn’t happen when you declare an emergency. That generally happens when you gently caress up and haven’t declared an emergency).
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My wife was telling me that schools in Beijing let out for five months for SARS. State television put on educational programming during the day and you could tune to a channel with grade-appropriate material. None of the kids watched, everybody was out playing.
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https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1221793225427558400 Between this, the Kobe helicopter, and a Navy 60 going down in the Pacific (all were rescued), not a great time for aviation
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1221793225427558400 You missed the Caspian Airlines emergency landing in Iran https://twitter.com/BahmanKalbasi/status/1221656208228192256 https://twitter.com/HamediHami/status/1221656570771255296
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Yeah I'm never getting on a plane again. I decided that years ago and reasons why just never stop accumulating. That Caspian air emergency landing, fuuuuuck they got sooo lucky. Didn't see the other one yet. E: ohhh, same crash different footage.
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Boy do I have something to tell you about every other mode of transportation
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Alaan posted:Boy do I have something to tell you about every other mode of transportation I don't want statistics, nerd [jumps in car and speeds into a brick wall]
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:You missed the Caspian Airlines emergency landing in Iran I don’t think anyone is surprised these protest planes keep getting shot down. At least they’re using non-lethal rounds and bean bags?
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I know numbers are against me on this one. Not even remotely trying to argue the numbers. It's irrational. Just a phobia.
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Commercial air travel is a miserable experience and I'd much rather roll the dice in a car
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I appreciate this thread and the AI thread because even though I have a more than basic knowledge of aviation stuff, it's nice seeing people who actually know what the gently caress they are talking about discuss it. Saw a post in D&D where some guy posted the common quip that gets posted around here "Planes want to fly, helicopters want to hit the ground" followed by the explanation that if a plane loses engine power or w/e, you can still "fly" it (and have a fighting chance of not outright dying). Queue D&D levels of arguing that "UHH, PLANES AREN'T MAGIC, THEY WILL STILL CRASH, JUST LIKE A HELICOPTER!"
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Pretty much, that. I also just prefer the false semblance of control even though I'm aware everyone else around me might as well be out for a drunken joyride. Can't dodge every idiot on the road, but at least my inevitable death won't include the possibility of falling 30k feet in a tin sausage. Unless one lands on me.
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Nick Soapdish posted:I don't want statistics, nerd 
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Sounds like they were in special vfr. https://youtu.be/B0pQfgi9ZqU
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Commercial air travel is a miserable experience and I'd much rather roll the dice in a car I hate every person in every airport every time I fly It is 2020 where the hell are my high speed trains
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Handsome Ralph posted:I appreciate this thread and the AI thread because even though I have a more than basic knowledge of aviation stuff, it's nice seeing people who actually know what the gently caress they are talking about discuss it. I mean as a general rule, planes will fly given enough airspeed. Helicopters will drop.
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bloops posted:I mean as a general rule, planes will fly given enough airspeed. Helicopters will drop. Helicopter will autorotate! If you're not in the death envelope.
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bloops posted:I mean as a general rule, planes will fly given enough airspeed. Helicopters will drop. I can only imagine there is a physics equation somewhere featuring a circular helicopter in space without gravity or other outside forces where it will still fall and explode.
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In less fatal crash news, they walked away from this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfgtins1HC8
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bloops posted:I mean as a general rule, planes will fly given enough airspeed. Helicopters will drop. Look at this nerd who doesn't know about autorotation aka falling with style
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Laranzu posted:I can only imagine there is a physics equation somewhere featuring a circular helicopter in space without gravity or other outside forces where it will still fall and explode. Physics equations may not totally account for the malevolent hellspawn consumed by hatred of the living and thirst for their blood that is the beating heart of a helicopter.
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Evil SpongeBob posted:Sounds like they were in special vfr. So "Special VFR" is basically the "I pinky-promise I can still see poo poo", and ATC doens't really have any way of saying "you're full of poo poo"? mlmp08 posted:In less fatal crash news, they walked away from this one: The roll-cages on proper Rallye cars are absolutely le-git
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Duzzy Funlop posted:So "Special VFR" is basically the "I pinky-promise I can still see poo poo", and ATC doens't really have any way of saying "you're full of poo poo"? https://youtu.be/-hIsWx5qbQs Perfect example of why you pay the 30k for a real roll cage and not a backyard special (they walked away)
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