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Wendell posted:What does “Neo-liberal fetishization of feminism” mean? What #MeToo and The Woman's March became after about a year are the prime examples of it
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MizPiz posted:What #MeToo and The Woman's March became after about a year are the prime examples of it Or like, selling $100 articles of clothing that say “Nasty Woman” on them.
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from what i've seen on twitter, the regular people who were involved in gamergate have ended up banned, full-blown nazis or baby socialists. so there's some truth to the idea that it picked up a bunch of disaffected people and radicalized them. peter coffin was a big target of theirs a few months in, so this is a weird thing for him to say. regardless of how it shook out in the end, there was no justification for it at the time
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Wendell posted:What does “Neo-liberal fetishization of feminism” mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leopt__ATR0
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Wendell posted:What does “Neo-liberal fetishization of feminism” mean? 
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The idea that neoliberals have turned feminism into a ideological bludgeon to sell their lovely ideology with no real feminism involved is correct. That however has literally nothing to do with gamer gate which predates that by a couple years anyway.
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Walton Simons posted:Found on the BBC Have Your Say comments section (it's the top rated comment) From the industry that brought us: Sick jazz song by Black person: who? Toned-down uncredited cover by white dude: amazing! Yes! Cynical cover by talented woman: lame! Shrill! Feminazi! Aggressive and ironic metal cover: yesssss absolutely my dudes Sampled by Black rapper: gently caress this hippity hop not real music Part of diva R&B act: feminist bullshit, not real music like when man with penis rapped it, I liked that
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Wendell posted:What does “Neo-liberal fetishization of feminism” mean? It refers to how exploitative capitalism tries to distract from the fact that it is exploitative or capitalist by a very shallow public veneer of 'socially acceptable' feminism without actually addressing inherent social and political issues that drive misogynism and would happily leave woman to be subjected to misogyny if they aren't rich enough or absolutely worship the idea of capitalism. See Lean In. See also the sellable 'empowered' Girl Power movement in 90s music (e.g. Spice Girls) that came after Grrl Riot music (e.g. Bikini Kill and Bratmobile). Samovar has a new favorite as of 17:17 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Jan 27, 2020 16:58
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Thank you for all the answers. I now agree it was nonsense for Peter to say that justified anything, and am confused as to why people in this very thread said he was right.
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Also them being all pumped about a lady CIA leader. Guess what!! She’s still part of the CIA culture and reportedly pushed for the Sulumani assassination.
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Walton Simons posted:Found on the BBC Have Your Say comments section (it's the top rated comment) I read the HYS comment section a lot because I love bad takes and ooh boy sorting by highest rated usually gives you a lotta bad takes.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:15
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Samovar posted:Grrl Riot music 
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Jan 27, 2020 17:18
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Pilchenstein posted:Strong grandparent energy here Aw man 
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Pilchenstein posted:Strong grandparent energy here Them there Grr womens that you like son? But that aside it has to be what he's referring to commodification of acceptable femininity off the back of actual movements.
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CharlestheHammer posted:The idea that neoliberals have turned feminism into a ideological bludgeon to sell their lovely ideology with no real feminism involved is correct. well your timescales are all out from reality.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:33
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Wendell posted:Thank you for all the answers. I now agree it was nonsense for Peter to say that justified anything, and am confused as to why people in this very thread said he was right. dismissing what he said because he used 'justifiable' wrongly is a very neoliberal thing to do.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:35
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Wendell posted:Thank you for all the answers. I now agree it was nonsense for Peter to say that justified anything, and am confused as to why people in this very thread said he was right. I think you have to come at it with a reading of "justifiable" that connotes "they were angry at a thing worth being angry about" and not "the way they expressed their anger was valid". (And also you have to overlook the fact that some other things were very much not worth being angry about.)
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Jan 27, 2020 17:36
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If you're dying of despair because trans people exist and people who think rapists should go to jail, go right ahead.
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I'm just loling my whole rear end off at all the people who even know what Gamergate even is.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:53
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TinTower posted:
Unfortunately not. There are, it seems, a lot of very stupid people on Twitter who think that economic oppression is literally the only oppression that exists and who loving hate LGBTQ+ people, POC, feminists, etc. for "distracting from the real issue".
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wizzardstaff posted:I think you have to come at it with a reading of "justifiable" that connotes "they were angry at a thing worth being angry about" and not "the way they expressed their anger was valid".
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Jan 27, 2020 18:06
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Hihohe posted:I'm just loling my whole rear end off at all the people who even know what Gamergate even is. I genuinely still don't know what it was about. Tried to find out a couple of times but it all seems very stupid and my brain refuses to retain any information on it.
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It's really not that complicated. Once upon a time a dude was mad at his ex-girlfriend so he made a big huge poo poo about it in public and then whitewashed it as "it's about ethics in video game journalism, bc my ex hosed a man and that man had once reviewed a video game she made" but it was always about his ex gf's sex life and anyone who thinks it's deeper than that is a fool who was fooled by an idiot
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Jan 27, 2020 18:10
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All you need to know is that anyone who says "gamergate" in any context is an idiot. (yes this includes me)
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Jan 27, 2020 18:12
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https://twitter.com/___shrutii/status/1221493724938526721?s=19 (op is not the idiot)
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Is it Ruroni Kenshin?
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:Unfortunately not. There are, it seems, a lot of very stupid people on Twitter who think that economic oppression is literally the only oppression that exists and who loving hate LGBTQ+ people, POC, feminists, etc. for "distracting from the real issue". Don't you know you can only fight one kind of oppression at once, you can't oppose multiple lovely things at the same time. Gotta choose.
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Sunswipe posted:I genuinely still don't know what it was about. Tried to find out a couple of times but it all seems very stupid and my brain refuses to retain any information on it. a bunch of bitter nerds tried to retroactively justify their anger about women existing and not loving them by collectively writing a bunch of bad ideas about how women ruin video games. it is hobbyist gamers whining about male sexual entitlement through the perspective of someone who can only have thoughts if they relate to video games, and then a bunch of political grifters tried to bottle this angry energy in service of the never ending culture war the reason your brain rejects these arguments is because they are teflon smooth and resistant to any attempt to comprehend them, they are not factual arguments, you must be at least this upset about women in order to agree with any facet of the collective tantrum
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Hihohe posted:I'm just loling my whole rear end off at all the people who even know what Gamergate even is. It got mainstream press coverage. My mom, who still calls all video games "Nintendo" asked me about it.
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fisting by many posted:All you need to know is that anyone who says "gamergate" in any context is an idiot. (yes this includes me) real unjustifiable slam on ant biologists out of nowhere
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Chuff McNothing posted:well your timescales are all out from reality. Nah I’m 100% correct but people who just learned what the term neoliberal meant like to pretend it’s been a thing linger than it was. Though to be fair I don’t think you have a grasp on it yet
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TinTower posted:
The biggest damage Rainbow Capitalism and Pinkwashing have done is make people think LGBTQ+ people are now fully integrated into society and everybody loves them lots. Something they usually disprove in the same breath.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:42
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Considering all the other poo poo that QAnon loons infer from innocuous things, this one seems almost...comprehensible I guess. Jimmy Carter was a former peanut farmer and his campaign used a smiling peanut as an unofficial logo.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Nah I’m 100% correct but people who just learned what the term neoliberal meant like to pretend it’s been a thing linger than it was. Though to be fair I don’t think you have a grasp on it yet oh dear
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Pilchenstein posted:And also the fact they weren't angry at the thing everyone is describing? I could see them using "we're not opposed to feminism, just fake feminism" as a convenient cover story but they 100% did not give the slightest poo poo about that or "economic concerns" or anything else that wasn't "we'd like to carry on being virulent misogynists and racists, thank you very much". It's possible for people to be angry about something without being conscious of what exactly they're angry about. The people of Weimar Germany were justifiably angry about the economic conditions at the time. Does that mean it was OK for them to become nazis? Hell no. But it was still a root cause of the rise of nazism.
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Clerical Terrors posted:The biggest damage Rainbow Capitalism and Pinkwashing have done is make people think LGBTQ+ people are now fully integrated into society and everybody loves them lots.
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