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Jan 27, 2020 16:25
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twistedmentat posted:Also anyone who thinks that a funny framing device is a guy who murders women is, like hosed. Lol it's just a joke that a woman is being tortured in the basement, lighten up! I really tend to like their reviews, and I often line up with Jay with movies, even though they're overly harsh on popcorn movies, like Marvel. I do like re:view better than HitB, since it tends to be movies they enjoy more. I really wanted to show people the Plickett reviews, so I actually downloaded the TPM one and edited out the murder stuff as best I could. It was too much effort, honestly.
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Jan 27, 2020 16:28
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quote:You have a starship captain who, when stuck on a planet, decided the way to bring the people of the planet together was Nazism. He was a historian who had never read any book on WW2 that wasn't written by David Irving. I headcanon he was just a nazi who used the "whoops wasnt me it was this other guy" excuse. Kirk and spock come off as exceptionally stupid in that episode by buying that bullshit.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:He was a historian who had never read any book on WW2 that wasn't written by David Irving. I headcanon he was just a nazi who used the "whoops wasnt me it was this other guy" excuse. Kirk and spock come off as exceptionally stupid in that episode by buying that bullshit. I mean of course, the real life reason was that, in the late '60s, the mainstream historical opinion of Nazi Germany was that, while it was incredibly evil and genocidal, Germany under the Nazis was efficient and Nazism was a unifying force for non Jewish Germans. It wasnt until the early '80s, I think, that historians started doing in depth studies of the Nazi economy and governmental structure and realized that it was remarkably inefficient and self sabotaging.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:05
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large_gourd posted:...large_goodpost...  Basically at this point I like it because it’s got potential, JPL, and it isn’t offensively bad yet. I do really wish we could actually have a utopia in our utopian sci-fi again. adaz posted:This entire thing can be summed up as "q was right." When Q tossed the enterprise into borg space and very smartly said you have no idea what the borg is going to do to your precious federation like he wasn't wrong. Before them the federation was living as a happy little island paradise nation not realizing what threats and predators were still out there. CAN the federation still exist in galaxy with those type of threats is now an open question and I <3 that they are asking it and trying to explore it. This is a compelling counter I suppose. I thinks it’s a fine line, one that DS9 walked infinitely better than current incarnations of Trek, which may well be the essence of my gripe. What I’m saying is the modern show runners are hacks 😝 Lordshmee fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Jan 27, 2020 17:09
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Epicurius posted:I mean of course, the real life reason was that, in the late '60s, the mainstream historical opinion of Nazi Germany was that, while it was incredibly evil and genocidal, Germany under the Nazis was efficient and Nazism was a unifying force for non Jewish Germans. Seeing how the historiography surrounding Nazi Germany has evolved since the war is as much fun as studying the period itself. Hitler was regarded as a war genius for a long while.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:15
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Pinterest Mom posted:That might have been all the Federation was sending, right. ~150 member worlds, a 10,000 ship rescue fleet is 10-100 ships per member world. Earth would be a natural staging area for a fleet headed to Romulan space since it's in the Beta Quadrant. They were also (presumably) being refitted at UP to handle large swaths of refugees since passenger liners or cargo haulers probably don't have the life support systems to handle evacuating millions of people.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:46
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Does anyone in Picard's era have a recollection of the AI that Disco dealt with? I can't remember if they just super-killed it or if it got shunted into a time prison or something. Could that AI have anything to do with the synth issues in Picard now?
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Jan 27, 2020 17:51
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They "fixed" the timeline issues by ordering everyone to pretend everything in the first two seasons of Discovery never happened. No discussion, no records.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:56
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Were there even any timeline issues if you didn't have a problem with how things looked newer than thing made a long time ago?
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Jan 27, 2020 18:01
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Khanstant posted:Were there even any timeline issues if you didn't have a problem with how things looked newer than thing made a long time ago? It's like that episode of VOY where a civilization reconstructed their culture's contact with Voyager and concluded that it was an advanced warship with a psycho captain and her insane crew of enablers. They were right, of course, but they also thought the ship's sets were all dark and blue-tinted, and that everyone wore black turtlenecks and gloves. Same goes for Disco.
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Jan 27, 2020 18:07
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Khanstant posted:Were there even any timeline issues if you didn't have a problem with how things looked newer than thing made a long time ago? I'd argue that the Trek fandom is probably the most continuity-obsessed fandom there is. They used to publish books called “nitpicker's guides to TOS/TNG/DS9” back in the 80s and 90s that exhaustively detailed every continuity error episode by episode. The tone of the books was definitely tongue-in-cheek and aware that they were being nitpicky, that is to say, it didn't have the acid that internet nitpicking does.
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Jan 27, 2020 18:15
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every single enterprise ships looks exactly the same to me, my brain is very blurry when it comes to these kinds of details and time is no different. what I'm hearing is that no, there aren't any real continuity errors
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Jan 27, 2020 18:17
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zoux posted:I'd argue that the Trek fandom is probably the most continuity-obsessed fandom there is. They used to publish books called “nitpicker's guides to TOS/TNG/DS9” back in the 80s and 90s that exhaustively detailed every continuity error episode by episode. The tone of the books was definitely tongue-in-cheek and aware that they were being nitpicky, that is to say, it didn't have the acid that internet nitpicking does. *sigh* Okay, everybody, raise your hand if you, like me, had more than one of those books. (Raise your other hand if you, like me, still have them on a shelf.)
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Jan 27, 2020 18:20
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Discovery was mostly just "and they have this really cool technology that does this" without thinking anything of it. Then someone realizes "oh poo poo, that didn't exist in TOS and our show takes place right before that." The solution was always "Wow, turns out that technology really sucked rear end, and the federation never used it again." They probably decided to throw them into the future so they could finally do cool poo poo without having to constantly worry about "BUT KIRK NEVER HAD THAT!"
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Jan 27, 2020 18:22
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Khanstant posted:Were there even any timeline issues if you didn't have a problem with how things looked newer than thing made a long time ago? There were a bunch. I didn't care that much about most of them, but the one glaring one is if the Federation had "teleport across the galaxy" tech then that would've been something Voyager might have wanted to look into. Maybe they couldn't replicate it, but the idea undercuts the entire premise of that series.
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Jan 27, 2020 18:22
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CPColin posted:*sigh* Okay, everybody, raise your hand if you, like me, had more than one of those books. (Raise your other hand if you, like me, still have them on a shelf.) One hand only (I recently sold mine)
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CoolCab posted:maybe q would look older because he was older? just because you can change forms and time travel doesn't make you immune to aging - he was always obsessive about mortals, perhaps his forms started to sympathetically show age? Or he just got punished by the Collective for a recent fuckup and turned into a disheveled, potbellied old guy in a shirt that says "kiss me I'm a brony"
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Khanstant posted:Were there even any timeline issues if you didn't have a problem with how things looked newer than thing made a long time ago? The Red Dwarf TV show did a whole bunch of time travel episodes but they also totally updated their sets and costumes occasionally so they were always coming up against this problem and their solution was they just didn't bother giving a gently caress about continuity at all, except for that one time where they very very carefully and faithfully recreated the original series set.
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Jan 27, 2020 18:30
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Tighclops posted:I thought their review was unnecessarily harsh and nitpicky in places but I don't think most people who are weary of the setting and the story beats so far just want to go back to the 90's. One thing they're right about is that we've effectively seen the first 10 minutes of a movie and it's still early to judge. Im not sure what Rich evans wants when he talks about the optimistic future where racism is double-dead but then does poo poo like this: https://youtu.be/3XCFjN80BO8
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Jan 27, 2020 18:42
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The Red Dwarf TV show did a whole bunch of time travel episodes but they also totally updated their sets and costumes occasionally so they were always coming up against this problem and their solution was they just didn't bother giving a gently caress about continuity at all, except for that one time where they very very carefully and faithfully recreated the original series set. Red Dwarf at it's most serious is at the level of Spock's Brain, though And I LOVE it, this is not an insult
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Jan 27, 2020 18:49
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I know that in the 60s western historians were largely reliant on German sources and had no access to lots of Soviet stuff that is now available, and that nazi propaganda about their own efficiency was very successful. But it's still so crazy to see Kirk just accept the premise that Nazi germany was extremely efficent. Also, Mussolini never actually made the trains run on time.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:06
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Grand Fromage posted:There were a bunch. I didn't care that much about most of them, but the one glaring one is if the Federation had "teleport across the galaxy" tech then that would've been something Voyager might have wanted to look into. Maybe they couldn't replicate it, but the idea undercuts the entire premise of that series. _had_ Yeah, it would be weird if that tech was around and Voyager didn't have a clue. But AFAIK they came up with a contrivance that the tech isn't there, so it's not an issue. If a paper-thin contrivance is good enough to let us accept impossible technologies and solutions all the time, should be good enough to dismiss tech progression quirks. Every ship we follow habitually uncovers potentially profound new technologies and lifeforms or techniques that are never examined or mentioned again.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:07
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zoux posted:Oh Christ did RLM not like it, well that's poisoned the well I don’t know much about modern RLM because like a decade ago I saw a review for some Star Trek property and in the review they said that that Worf alternate timeline TNG episode was the worst Trek episode ever and I decided that they didn’t know what they were talking about.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:12
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Drunkboxer posted:I don’t know much about modern RLM because like a decade ago I saw a review for some Star Trek property and in the review they said that that Worf alternate timeline TNG episode was the worst Trek episode ever and I decided that they didn’t know what they were talking about. Parallels? That's an awesome episode.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:15
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I mean even if Discovery hadn't been sent to the future and everyone sworn to secrecy, navigating the mycelial network is only possible with either enslaving an adorable tardigrade or illegal genetic modification of a human. And everyone on Disco's sister ship was killed in a spore drive related thing. You can see why the Federation would not encourage this line of research. Plus yeah every other Star Trek series has game changing technology that is never mentioned again every other week, so who cares.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:16
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marktheando posted:I mean even if Discovery hadn't been sent to the future and everyone sworn to secrecy, navigating the mycelial network is only possible with either enslaving an adorable tardigrade or illegal genetic modification of a human. And everyone on Disco's sister ship was killed in a spore drive related thing. You can see why the Federation would not encourage this line of research. I was hoping that in the 25 years since Nemesis, they were playing with another form of drive, like using reverse-engineered Borg tech from Voyager or something. Remember, warp drive was determined to be bad for the environment in like season 6 of TNG, which is why Voyager had the moving nacelles or something.
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MichiganCubbie posted:I was hoping that in the 25 years since Nemesis, they were playing with another form of drive, like using reverse-engineered Borg tech from Voyager or something. Remember, warp drive was determined to be bad for the environment in like season 6 of TNG, which is why Voyager had the moving nacelles or something. For the best, though, who wants a B plot about Riker filling out form UFP-97364(g) Permission to exceed environmental warp speed limit (retroactive)?
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Cojawfee posted:Discovery was mostly just "and they have this really cool technology that does this" without thinking anything of it. Then someone realizes "oh poo poo, that didn't exist in TOS and our show takes place right before that." The solution was always "Wow, turns out that technology really sucked rear end, and the federation never used it again." They probably decided to throw them into the future so they could finally do cool poo poo without having to constantly worry about "BUT KIRK NEVER HAD THAT!" It was really dumb. Honestly, one of the things I liked most about Enterprise was the LIMITS on their tech. They created tension when you had to use shuttle pods to ferry around crew and couldn't teleport people out of bad situations, or had limited weapons that were far inferior to those you encountered.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:33
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Admiralty Flag posted:The warp 6 speed limit was mentioned like two other times before they invented the warp catalytic converter or whatever. I would unironically watch a show about Starfleet Bureaucracy. Especially if it’s grumpy Riker filling out reports of his antics. I imagine that audience is not huge.
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Jan 27, 2020 20:48
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Jan 27, 2020 21:03
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Thom12255 posted:If Lower Decks isn't canceled within 2 seasons I'd be surprised. It irrationally bothers me that the uniforms don't match anything. That'd be okay if we're talking about yet another time period, and Discovery season 2 did a better job of explaining away the Disco uniforms vs. TOS, but what's wrong with sticking to an style?
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MikeJF posted:The description of lower decks is that they're on a 'second contact' ship that comes after the fancy explorers breeze in and out and does all the paperwork. Hoping it’s not trash. The TNG Season 8 guy is apparently the head writer
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes we call that the USS Hood Did he ever write more than just the twitter blurbs about episodes?
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Jan 27, 2020 21:20
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MichiganCubbie posted:Did he ever write more than just the twitter blurbs about episodes? I think he’s also a writer on Rick and Morty.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about Lower Decks, but it entirely depends on what sort of tone they're going for. I'm really not interested in a pure comedy, but a relatively straight yet lighthearted show could be fun.
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Jan 27, 2020 21:41
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Drunkboxer posted:I don’t know much about modern RLM because like a decade ago I saw a review for some Star Trek property and in the review they said that that Worf alternate timeline TNG episode was the worst Trek episode ever and I decided that they didn’t know what they were talking about. I listened to their pitch a while back for what the Picard show should be, and that's when I was like "okay, you're no more insightful about Star Trek than any other dork on the internet."
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