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Herstory Begins Now posted:This really is Trump getting the defense he wants isn't it, they just said gently caress giving the senate cover probably. have to appease the piss soaked moron. Angry_Ed posted:In fact, removal will now be even more damaging. Like, if they had (somehow) agreed to hold a real trial and then voted to remove Trump, yeah you'd give up some vulnerable seats but the Goldfish Memory of the American Public would allow people to think the GOP had managed to take a principled stand after being duped by the President ( A. they aquite with no witnesses. this pisses off the dem base and MSM(who hate trump for various reasons) call them out for the poo poo. the moderate morons get no cover and probably lose. b. they call witnesses which leads to a circus that makes poo poo so much worse for them and either 1. acquit and get hosed or 2. remove him and get hosed. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:This really is Trump getting the defense he wants isn't it, they just said gently caress giving the senate cover That was always going to happen.
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https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1221891321948004352 that seems like a real winner.
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Jesus she's actually arguing that yes Guiliani did all that crazy poo poo he just did it as Trump's personal attorney instead of as an official envoy of the President. It's like arguing that Watergate was nothing to worry about because the Plumbers were working for Nixon in a personal instead of official capacity.
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What is this drunken defense? Giuliani was working as a private attorney, also he was working on defending him against the accusations supported by US intelligence that Russia helped him get elected. Also, his actions weren't official government policy and he wasn't operating within a political capacity. loving what? Edit: "He did all the things you say are crimes but they are not actually crimes" is the defense? What the glorious gently caress is this?!
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Taerkar posted:That was always going to happen. yea there's no way to defend this, especially while maintaining a stance that witnesses aren't needed. It's literally just 'gently caress you, you know I could kill your career if you vote against me, let's wrap this poo poo up already you pigs'.
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sexpig by night posted:yea there's no way to defend this, especially while maintaining a stance that witnesses aren't needed. It's literally just 'gently caress you, you know I could kill your career if you vote against me, let's wrap this poo poo up already you pigs'. its either him or the electorate.
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Djarum posted:I was just thinking and the primary worry of Senators and in turn House members is bullshit. If they were that worried about being primaried they would be doing all they could to drag things out beyond the filing date. Just for reference, filing deadlines for federal offices by state.
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Trump's defense team makes Lionel Hutz look like Clarence Darrow.
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Angry_Ed posted:Trump's defense team makes Lionel Hutz look like Clarence Darrow. and stolen. but yeah, i am weirdly surprised how badly done this is, even by my low standards.
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CmdrRiker posted:Is due process likely going to be an effective defense argument? This implies the defense has had an effective argument or the ability to make one.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Nah, that'll be I think it should be "WHERE'S HUNTER!?"
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CmdrRiker posted:Is due process likely going to be an effective defense argument? not when it's being made by the same defense saying witnesses aren't actually needed and wanting to rope in all these tertiary figures
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Angry_Ed posted:Trump's defense team makes Lionel Hutz look like Clarence Darrow. Amazing line. And yeah I can't believe this is the case they are going with.
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What difference would Gulliani being Trumps personal lawyer even make? The President soliciting a foreign government to investigate a political opponent is illegal and wrong, doesn't matter who you told to do it.
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if Trump's team was smart (shut up, stop laughing, I'm speaking hypothetically here) they'd hammer the 'we'll give you Bolton for Biden' deal and exploit the bizarre fact that dem leadership seems to think that's a bad deal, but instead they're just doubling down on Q level stupidity and acting like they're not the majority here.
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sexpig by night posted:if Trump's team was smart (shut up, stop laughing, I'm speaking hypothetically here) they'd hammer the 'we'll give you Bolton for Biden' deal and exploit the bizarre fact that dem leadership seems to think that's a bad deal, but instead they're just doubling down on Q level stupidity and acting like they're not the majority here. Well to be fair I don't think they have the majority in there now.
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sexpig by night posted:if Trump's team was smart (shut up, stop laughing, I'm speaking hypothetically here) they'd hammer the 'we'll give you Bolton for Biden' deal and exploit the bizarre fact that dem leadership seems to think that's a bad deal, but instead they're just doubling down on Q level stupidity and acting like they're not the majority here. i think its also these rear end in a top hat legit think most of the country are brainwashed super chuds who would lay down their lives for trump and such. i doubt he will be removed obviously but i think witnesses will happen and than who knows. turtle has lost the plot because trump and his astropathic choir has decided to scream insanity to the majority of the country so trump could feel big downstares instead of doing what you said. Edit. plus i think the more they do this poo poo, the more the senate will decide that trumps worth ditching even if it fucks them in the primary.
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sexpig by night posted:if Trump's team was smart (shut up, stop laughing, I'm speaking hypothetically here) they'd hammer the 'we'll give you Bolton for Biden' deal and exploit the bizarre fact that dem leadership seems to think that's a bad deal, but instead they're just doubling down on Q level stupidity and acting like they're not the majority here. I dunno, I'm still feeling that Bolton would just be like "yep everything was on the up and up, I made up that stuff to sell books" We're in hell world after all
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sexpig by night posted:if Trump's team was smart (shut up, stop laughing, I'm speaking hypothetically here) they'd hammer the 'we'll give you Bolton for Biden' deal and exploit the bizarre fact that dem leadership seems to think that's a bad deal, but instead they're just doubling down on Q level stupidity and acting like they're not the majority here. I'm pretty sure they don't want Biden or Bolton to testify.
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Holy poo poo, this dumbass just argued that Congress can't supeonas the President, "just as the President can't do that to Congress". gently caress YOU! Yes, they can! It's Congressional Oversight! Congress oversees the President, not the other way around! So no poo poo the President can't supeona Congressmen, he has no Constitutional Authority to do so! WTF is this defense? 
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Lemming posted:I dunno, I'm still feeling that Bolton would just be like "yep everything was on the up and up, I made up that stuff to sell books" idk. bolton while a warmongering ghoul doesnt strike me as vapid empty manwhore like graham and other chuds are. he probably legit believes that tossing foreign goverments makes the US safer and stronger and other bullshit and probably is his own idea of a patriot. what i mean to say is that i dont think he would go along with something in "that kind" of criminality. trump crossed a line for him i guess.
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Popete posted:What difference would Gulliani being Trumps personal lawyer even make? The President soliciting a foreign government to investigate a political opponent is illegal and wrong, doesn't matter who you told to do it. Yeah, I'm watching the Chewbacca defense be seriously argued in the Senate.
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Djarum posted:Well to be fair I don't think they have the majority in there now. yea but Romney and his lot are famous cowards, you can push them hard. Lemming posted:I dunno, I'm still feeling that Bolton would just be like "yep everything was on the up and up, I made up that stuff to sell books" I dunno, I'm personally on team 'he'll go in and say he wasn't there for a LOT of it but what I did hear was shady', not enough to really be rock solid but he's clearly trying to do the 'I'm a principled republican who just wants to do genocide in the middle east' grift. Still even if he does go full suck-up, having him at least have to answer for the poo poo he's already said would make the dem case stronger.
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1glitch0 posted:Yeah, I'm watching the Chewbacca defense be seriously argued in the Senate. The Chewbacca defense is far more elegant and your mind doesn't go "WTF is this poo poo?" as it hears the Chewbacca defense.
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Grouchio posted:So is this poo poo poo poo defense good news for us? It doesn't really change anything. No one is changing their mind. They're just playing with their fidget spinners and sneaking looks at their phone. It is funny, tho.
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Grouchio posted:So is this poo poo poo poo defense good news for us? In an ideal reality where leaders are driven by actual truth and justice and the desire to make a positive difference in the world, I would think so. In the pocket reality we've been stuck in where truth is irrelevant and power is everything... who knows. If nothing else this is turning out to be more interesting than I was expecting it to be.
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All they needed to do is give Fox News something to repeat to the chuds. They have accomplished that.
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Lemming posted:I dunno, I'm still feeling that Bolton would just be like "yep everything was on the up and up, I made up that stuff to sell books" That would kill his book sales, since it hasn't even been released. He's got to back it up on the stand if he wants to make any money.
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Grouchio posted:So is this poo poo poo poo defense good news for us? very good news. it was always gonna be bad defense but this is phenomenally bad. like i have gurgled about up thread 200 times. the defense was all about give them cover/"cover". NOPE.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:very good news. it was always gonna be bad defense but this is phenomenally bad. like i have gurgled about up thread 200 times. the defense was all about give them cover/"cover". NOPE. Anyone paying enough attention to know that it's a bad defense has already made up their minds. Deteriorata posted:That would kill his book sales, since it hasn't even been released. He's got to back it up on the stand if he wants to make any money. I wonder if all the wingnut welfare groups that buy hundreds of thousands of copies of every conservative media celebrity's stupid book will not buy Bolton's now since he's seen as being against their Dear Leader...
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mcmagic posted:Anyone paying enough attention to know that it's a bad defense has already made up their minds. i mean loving tapper is calling it a bad defense and he is captain bothsides.
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It’s not good or bad. Trump could admit to all crimes while slitting a child’s throat on TV and he will still be president. He will still be re-elected. The republicans will cheat to ensure this happens. It really doesn’t matter how stupid their defense is.
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Deteriorata posted:That would kill his book sales, since it hasn't even been released. He's got to back it up on the stand if he wants to make any money. Sure but it would guarantee him a spot on the wingnut welfare train forever as the hero who saved Trump
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
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Squack McQuack posted:It’s not good or bad. Trump could admit to all crimes while slitting a child’s throat on TV and he will still be president. He will still be re-elected. The republicans will cheat to ensure this happens. It really doesn’t matter how stupid their defense is. oh gently caress off with the nothing matters bullshit.
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mcmagic posted:I'm pretty sure they don't want Biden or Bolton to testify. The reasoning for Biden to not testify is the neither Hunter nor Joe are on trial nor do they have anything to do with the charges brought. They don’t want Bolton to testify because he has first hand knowledge of the crimes. It would be like being on trial for robbing a bank and wanting to have someone who had a account with the bank testify instead of the guy you helped plan the heist with. Dapper_Swindler posted:idk. bolton while a warmongering ghoul doesnt strike me as vapid empty manwhore like graham and other chuds are. he probably legit believes that tossing foreign goverments makes the US safer and stronger and other bullshit and probably is his own idea of a patriot. what i mean to say is that i dont think he would go along with something in "that kind" of criminality. Bolton and the whole neo-con idea is through regime change you bring democracy and freedom to the whole. The whole idea comes from a Cold War idea of thinking where democracy and capitalism must defeat communism at all cost. The problem is with that way of thinking now is exactly what we have seen in the 50+ years of doing it. The locals will not greet you as liberators and instead fight you with guerrilla warfare and/or terrorism. Much like trickle down economics it is a flawed policy but it doesn’t stop from the right still wanting to try again and again to maybe be right this time.
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