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Jan 28, 2020 02:25
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Spite posted:has no one speculated the publisher or someone there might have leaked it? Doubtful. They are sitting on a goldmine. Why would you give the juiciest parts away for free especially so far from publication? Look at every other Trump book, rumors break a week or two before publication and a few days before they get quotes. It’s political book publicity 101. The publishing industry is so insular that if someone did leak without permission they would get blackballed. Like I said this is a political hit and came from government.
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Jan 28, 2020 02:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1221951089647538177 The real question is Pompeo, Mulvaney, or Biden. After the first round of votes on whether to call witnesses and then votes on calling specific witnesses, it's there a second chance to vote on witnesses before the final vote?
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Jan 28, 2020 02:27
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1221951089647538177 I have considered it a strong possibility from the very beginning of the senate trial that all the fence-sitting Rs have to do is coordinate votes so they can each vote for a few different specific witnesses to be called without going all in on any one person to actually reach 51. The crystallization of focus around Bolton makes that much harder now.
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For the life of me I cannot figure out whether or not Dershowitz is arguing for or against impeachment. By the time he argued you cannot remove an incapacitated President I figured he doesn’t have a point- he just wants to sound ‘educated’ and earn a paycheck.
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Jan 28, 2020 02:35
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Jan 28, 2020 02:39
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Jan 28, 2020 02:39
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https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1221970004356354048?s=20 i think we will get 51 votes.
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Jan 28, 2020 02:40
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Dershowitz is a poo poo show. He just wandered away from the mic for a bit. edit: Also he is arguing the president can't be impeached for his climate change policies. Which... isn't happening.
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Jan 28, 2020 02:43
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Djarum posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/john-bolton-trump-book-barr.html Bolton Blabs Big Buzz to Bumblefuck Barr
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Jan 28, 2020 02:43
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What is disgusting is that they didn't even try to impeach Barr who is just a blatant enabler of criminality.
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Djarum posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/john-bolton-trump-book-barr.html 
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Jan 28, 2020 02:47
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I cannot take a 70 year old public speaker who is still doing the right out of college "diamond hand" thing seriously.
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Jan 28, 2020 02:51
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Not seeing any of the usual loud mouthed Pro Trump players on my social media saying anything. Went in there, scrolling through and looking for an argument/fight. I guess today’s failure on defense plus Bolton’s manuscript got them shook?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Not seeing any of the usual loud mouthed Pro Trump players on my social media saying anything. Went in there, scrolling through and looking for an argument/fight. I guess today’s failure on defense plus Bolton’s manuscript got them shook? Likely there are no marching orders.
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Djarum posted:Doubtful. They are sitting on a goldmine. Why would you give the juiciest parts away for free especially so far from publication? Look at every other Trump book, rumors break a week or two before publication and a few days before they get quotes. It’s political book publicity 101. The publishing industry is so insular that if someone did leak without permission they would get blackballed. Eh, most of the books seem to be so outdated by the time they are published because the news cycle has shifted to its eleventh different scandal by then. By leaking this and becoming perhaps the main witness and focal point of the impeachment trial, Bolton buys himself immense publicity. He also makes his book indispensable if he does take down Trump. I think they fear the backlash too if Bolton doesn’t testify, because he will be blamed for holding out for his drat book sales.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Not seeing any of the usual loud mouthed Pro Trump players on my social media saying anything. Went in there, scrolling through and looking for an argument/fight. I guess today’s failure on defense plus Bolton’s manuscript got them shook? Bolton took pages of notes in every meeting he attended and was known for it. He also is the protege of Dick Cheney, and a completely garbage human being. They are all hosed. *waves broadly in that direction* All of 'em.
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Djarum posted:Likely there are no marching orders. Putin Puppets Plod Perilously Pending Programming Promotion!
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Jan 28, 2020 02:57
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Oh man they are ending already. Wow they really have nothing.
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Jan 28, 2020 02:58
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1221970004356354048?s=20
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Djarum posted:Oh man they are ending already. Wow they really have nothing. like ending ending?
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Timeless Appeal posted:Honestly... if it turns out that abandoning the Kurds was part of some lovely self-serving deal with Turkey--I mean like, I understand it implicitly is, but with a very concrete quid pro quo --I think there is a shot at removal. i am sure thats true and i am sure bolton wrote about it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:like ending ending? For the day. I guess they are now going to do something tomorrow now?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Not seeing any of the usual loud mouthed Pro Trump players on my social media saying anything. Went in there, scrolling through and looking for an argument/fight. I guess today’s failure on defense plus Bolton’s manuscript got them shook? I’ve been going to the Washington Post’s twitch stream for my daily recommended intake of internet trolls.
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Djarum posted:For the day. I guess they are now going to do something tomorrow now? Probably just yell the same talking points for 4 hours.
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Jan 28, 2020 03:04
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I don't think Dersh took one loving breath through that whole pile of horseshit. I don't think a Harvard law lecture at 100 miles an hour using law words resonated much with Trump's supporters, that's for sure.
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LegionAreI posted:I don't think Dersh took one loving breath through that whole pile of horseshit. did he actually say anything? what the gently caress was his argument.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am sure thats true and i am sure bolton wrote about it. Bolton was gone a month before Trump decided to backstab the Kurds, so at most he can paint a pattern of past behavior (I'm sure it's true as well).
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Dapper_Swindler posted:did he actually say anything? what the gently caress was his argument. Even if Trump committed an abuse of power, it isn't part of Congress' jurisdiction. Congress can only consider abuse of power AFTER they've been found violating the criminal code. Even though Trump is abusing his presidential power, 'you can't touch this'. Even if Trump is found drooling on his toilet, unable to speak anything other than a sad cry of 'berders', you can't remove him for being incapacitated as long as those aren't illegal berders.
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Those of us that have been following closely have already reached out conclusions. Senators have formed their positions. The Qultists have had their minds made up for a long while. 'Low Info Voters', the ones that might swing one way or another, people who are only now starting to pay any attention to the circus (and still might not be able to recite the actual charges) are starting to form their opinions, mostly from chatting with co-workers around the water cooler or while buying coffee and a newspaper from the corner cafe in the morning. People that usually listen to Top 40 on the commute to work, but have been hearing about the impeachment trial and decided to tune in to NPR for the occasion. Folk that don't spend time on internet message boards, nor ever dive into the political dimensions of twitter. The number of people now forming an opinion - in real time - is hitting a peak. And control of the narrative at that peak point is key. Either minimizing the number of people that pay attention - keeping the peak as low as possible, in terms of population of participants - or maximizing the swing to the narrative you wish to dominate. Trump's not in a strong position here, from a social engineer's perspective. If this becomes a prolonged trial with multiple witnesses... it starts to look like '12 angry men', with Romny (et al?) attempting to sway enough of the jury pool to convict. That outcome seems extremely unlikely, but it can't really play out with a quick trial. Maybe Trump's bluffing, full stop. Maybe his chuds can't (or won't) actually primary senators that turn on him. Maybe the remnants of the Tea Party remember that they really love being the crazy radicals beholden not to the party. Maybe a popular movement begins with citizens across the US holding occupations demand that Trump #Resign, and it gets WAY more participation than anybody would expect right now. Maybe a new 'Bonus Army', with a set of demands. Maybe Putin sees it as tactically advantageous to turn the Internet Research Agency against Trump and in favor of impeachment. Maybe enough Republican senators choose not to attend the vote that the Dems participating make up 66.6%. Maybe support for removal edges over 60% nationwide and over 50% among republican likely voters and Trump is strongly encouraged - and chooses - to resign. Yeah but no the trials gunna be a short crazy ride trump won't be convicted and there'll be little dramatic reveals that prolong the drama while not really changing the outcome meaningfully throughout the process. And yeah, I don't think this course is to the benefit of the GOP. I do like the hypothesis that someone that received Bolton's book for White Housee review (and presumably put it through the review process?) is a) the author of the anonymous op-ed and b) the person that leaked the manuscript to the press at just the right time. It's a wild guess though.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Isn't it to late to enter the primaries? Not only that, but a number of states had their GOP block any to run against Trump. At least, I think that's what they did.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Isn't it to late to enter the primaries? Someone posted dates for every state earlier. Some end the beginning of February. Most are around April. A few are in July. Louisiana is like September?!
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lol this is the correct take, just loving nonsense down to its core https://twitter.com/LoopEmma/status/1221981856138178567
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, there defense is pretty dumb bad so far. If Trump or the Republicans could frame anything at all in any way other than "But the Democrats are just being SOOOOOOOOOO UNFAIR TO US!" and assorted whiny bullshit it might be better but that's basically going to be it for the part from now on I guess. The poor hard done by old rich white guy party. I legit think that  should just be recalibrated to :"gop": instead of the current  as seems just as fitting and perfectly sums up the whole party.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:did he actually say anything? what the gently caress was his argument. That Alan Dershowitz is cool because he also didn’t like the Clinton impeachment and is against climate change.
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