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Gantolandon posted:The real danger with this virus is not that it's particularly lethal, it's that it seems just severe enough and infectious enough to overwhelm healthcare even in those countries where it's actually decent. Yeah, proper care on the ICU may be enough to let most people survive... but no city has enough ICUs to keep thousands of patients. Oddly, there were some lessons learned from the Vegas shooting that may end up saving lives here. That was an event that absolutely swarmed hospitals very quickly with critical patients, and they quickly decided to do things like stuff two patients on one ventilator and work out the math so that it could keep both alive.
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Nam Taf posted:The earliest medical news I was sent when this all started to hit western media was from 03/01. It had by that point already been identified as likely coming from the seafood market and had infected some 40 people, up from 20 in late December. i don't want to be paranoid  but reading up on spanish flu apparently it might of been around for a year or so before anyone noticed. I feel like this could easily be mistaken for normal flu by 95% of people or whatever and it could be literally everywhere now.
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Nam Taf posted:The earliest medical news I was sent when this all started to hit western media was from 03/01. It had by that point already been identified as likely coming from the seafood market and had infected some 40 people, up from 20 in late December. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally This article, also in Science, suggests that might not be the whole story.
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Mons Hubris posted:The scariest thing about this, as far as I can tell, is that it's contagious before people are symptomatic. Like who knows if the Wuhan quarantine will even do that much good if infected people who traveled from there beforehand were already spreading it around. It didn't do much good because the government dragged its feet on action because the PRC thought it was embarrassing and would hurt their public image and then when it became clear they couldn't just downplay it until it passed naturally they announced the quarantine on the busiest travel season of the Chinese calendar and gave people a couple hours head start for them to freak out and take their infectious rear end to Shanghai and Beijing etc
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Chrs posted:UK Government says no. I mean, it’s great I’d probably survive and get a chance to rewatch my Twin Peaks boxset, but I would rather my friends with CF or elderly grandparents didn’t cop it choking on melted lung. So I’m not blasie about it.
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Besides rich people closing business deals and white kids backpacking, what reason is there to go to China in the first place as a foreigner
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Oddly, there were some lessons learned from the Vegas shooting that may end up saving lives here. That was an event that absolutely swarmed hospitals very quickly with critical patients, and they quickly decided to do things like stuff two patients on one ventilator and work out the math so that it could keep both alive. That sounds crazy. How quickly can manufacturers go from order to hospital use with that sort of equipment. Weeks probably?
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MorrisBae posted:Besides rich people closing business deals and white kids backpacking, what reason is there to go to China in the first place as a foreigner adoption and sex tourism
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MorrisBae posted:Besides rich people closing business deals and white kids backpacking, what reason is there to go to China in the first place as a foreigner world famous fish markets
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TheBuilder posted:adoption and sex tourism Learning martial art secrets from mountaintop monasteries.
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Lambert posted:Ah yes, juice and exercise, classic cures.
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MorrisBae posted:Besides rich people closing business deals and white kids backpacking, what reason is there to go to China in the first place as a foreigner Beijing and Xian are both nice cities for tourists imo
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Outrail posted:That sounds crazy. How quickly can manufacturers go from order to hospital use with that sort of equipment. Weeks probably? That I don’t know off the top of my head. Hopefully the feds learned their lesson from Operation Dark Winter (the bioterror attack simulation they did in the early 2000’s) when they found out the american healthcare system has no surge capacity. There may, and if they actually did learn anything, should be a stock of ICU equipment in some undisclosed warehouse for exactly this kind of situation.
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If we actually want to talk about vaccine production for this, here is an article on it https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/health/coronavirus-nih-vaccine-development/index.html The NIH hopes to have a vaccine ready to test within the next 3 months due to recent advances in the field
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Outrail posted:That sounds crazy. How quickly can manufacturers go from order to hospital use with that sort of equipment. Weeks probably? Months, even under war-like conditions. A manufacturer could probably pull up a few machines that were already scheduled to be built, and get them out in a week or two, but doing something like building 10x what you expected to will take time. Manufacturing, even with "money is no object" style procurement takes time. Maybe 4-8 weeks, no matter what the rush? Machining, heat treating, plating/painting; probably several iterations of that cycle. Controls (computers, custom boards/controllers, etc) will likewise take a couple of months. Of course, a lot of that component sourcing will occur in China and the rest of Asia. By the time a western government would be in full panic mode those suppliers may not be at their most efficient... After you get the components, building and testing the equipment can be pretty quick, if money is no object. Even in world war 2, with a five year ramp-up of supplying equipment to the Allies, things really didn't get rolling until the second half of '43.
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The Glumslinger posted:If we actually want to talk about vaccine production for this, here is an article on it BOO! I want this pandemic to wreck the boomer populations
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MorrisBae posted:Besides rich people closing business deals and white kids backpacking, what reason is there to go to China in the first place as a foreigner For all we poo poo upon China for a lot of stuff, it’s an extremely important region and culture in human history, which should be experienced ...by going to Taiwan where except for specific physical locations/artifacts you can sufficiently observe the Sinosphere culture to the extent that you need.
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WUHAN FLU COMMIN AT YA WATCH YOUR COUGH KID WATCH YOUR COUGH KID
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Was it here, the CSPAM thread, or some news article which talked about how most of our pharmaceutical manufacturing is based in China now and the feds have never recognized this as something that might be a bad idea. I though that was a good point
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Chrs posted:Would rather have this than Ebola because at least with this I’d only be dying instead of making GBS threads myself inside out and dying See a doctor about your wussy stomach lol can't handle a little Ebola god what a self own
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Was it here, the CSPAM thread, or some news article which talked about how most of our pharmaceutical manufacturing is based in China now and the feds have never recognized this as something that might be a bad idea. I though that was a good point 60 percent of the pharmaceuticals used in the US are made in the US, even after Puerto Rico got hit really badly with that hurricane.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:60 percent of the pharmaceuticals used in the US are made in the US, even after Puerto Rico got hit really badly with that hurricane. Pills are the big moneymaker so they focus on that in the US. There's not really any profits in making masks or plastic gloves. Guess where all of that basic stuff are made.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Was it here, the CSPAM thread, or some news article which talked about how most of our pharmaceutical manufacturing is based in China now and the feds have never recognized this as something that might be a bad idea. I though that was a good point *taps sign that just says "number"* *points at sign*
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Bardeh posted:This: Yeah asymptomatic transmission was announced at least a few days ago, these are the first cases of that happening outside of China. Pretty much anyone traveling through an airport right now should be very diligent about hygiene
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UnknownTarget posted:Cool cool. So like I thought it's scary how fast it's spreading but it's just a global case of the sniffles. "The sniffles" implies something like the cold, but this is much more severe than that. If you just felt crummy and had to lay in bed for a few days that would suck but wouldn't be worth quarantining cities over. Instead, healthy young adults are having to be hospitalized at significant rates, with many requiring ICU resources.
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hemale in pain posted:i don't want to be paranoid The CDC and other organisations track influenza viruses very carefully every flu season (and even out of season) so that they know what strains are circulating and if there's anything novel. That's how they choose which strains to include in the annual flu vaccine in time for them to be produced in advance. Even if it had been mistaken for normal flu by most people, it would still have been picked up long before it circulated around the world for a year.
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MorrisBae posted:Besides rich people closing business deals and white kids backpacking, what reason is there to go to China in the first place as a foreigner Members of the Chinese diaspora visiting relatives
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MorrisBae posted:Besides rich people closing business deals and white kids backpacking, what reason is there to go to China in the first place as a foreigner The rich, glorious history. And the museums.
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Video taken from inside a Wuhan hospital showing 3 bodies covered in the hallway. https://twitter.com/Tominmedill/status/1220627305728368640
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Real Cool Catfish posted:Really annoying we have to wait on the CCP to give us the occasional running total. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Best we have at the moment.
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