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The Scientist posted:Pierce Brosnan was the best James Bond and Dante's Peak was the best James Bond movie ever made
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The Scientist posted:Pierce Brosnan was the best James Bond and Goldeneye was the best James Bond movie ever made This would be correct if the 2006 Casino Royale didn't exist but Brosnan is the best Bond
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Jan 28, 2020 11:20
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mind the walrus posted:This would be correct if the 2006 Casino Royale didn't exist
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Jan 28, 2020 12:13
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Moonraker is the only good Bond film
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Jan 28, 2020 12:36
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Unpopular Bond opinion: I actually like Diamonds Are Forever. Maybe it's because 1971 Las Vegas seems like an exotic place compared to what we all know about it now (may also why I like Martin Scorsese's Casino), but I like seeing what Bond has to deal with there. Sure, the reveal of a diamond-based space laser is goofy, but since we'd already done You Only Live Twice which had a reusable rocket, it was kind of par for the course at that point. Same with Moonraker, really. All of the laser stuff screams post-Star Wars boom, but it's fun. The silliness isn't a direction I want to see new Bond movies go into, but for it's time, it was fun. JollyBoyJohn posted:Actually it was Sean Connery on account of him being a) Scottish and b) first I still love that Ian Fleming didn't like Connery as Bond at first, but became so impressed with his portrayal that he wrote Bond's backstory to be Scottish because of that.
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Jan 28, 2020 17:11
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I mean real Unpopular Opinion time-- I find most Bond movies unwatchable, including the "great" ones like From Russia With Love. The Connery ones do absolutely nothing for me and aside from Moonraker (which wins on sheer wtf-stupidity) I find the Moore flicks snoozefests. Like ok I can see the cultural footprint that Dr. No and Goldfinger left, but other than that it's a big  from me.
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Jan 28, 2020 17:20
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As far as bond movies go, I like Goldeneye and the Craig ones. Spectre wasn’t as good as Skyfall but it’s underrated IMO. I haven’t gone back and rewatched any of the pre-Brosnan ones in years, so I’m not sure if I’d enjoy them more now that I’m older.
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Jan 28, 2020 17:23
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That isn't to say I idealize the Dalton/Brosnan/Craig flicks. The Living Daylights is like peering into an alternate universe, and Goldeneye is enjoyable, Casino Royale is the best of them all, and Skyfall has some pretty imagery... but License to Kill, Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day, Quantum of Solace, and Spectre all suck a chode and the new one looked aggressively dull for a movie about spies and car chases.
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Jan 28, 2020 17:30
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mind the walrus posted:, Quantum of Solace, How do I constantly forget this movie even exists until someone mentions it again?
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Jan 28, 2020 17:32
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I saw it in the theater and literally the only thing I remember about the movie is that he says the title at one point. I don't remember disliking it I just don't remember anything about it. Edit: best Bond songs? 3: Casino Royale 2: GoldenEye 1: Skyfall
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Jan 28, 2020 17:34
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Ugly In The Morning posted:How do I constantly forget this movie even exists until someone mentions it again? Because our collective reaction upon discovering the plot was, "OK, so?" I can't remember if it was a casualty of the 2007 WGA strike, but it certainly felt like it was. Events just kind of happen. Ugly In The Morning posted:As far as bond movies go, I like Goldeneye and the Craig ones. Spectre wasn’t as good as Skyfall but it’s underrated IMO. I haven’t gone back and rewatched any of the pre-Brosnan ones in years, so I’m not sure if I’d enjoy them more now that I’m older. I hesitate to say most of my generation like GoldenEye because of the videogame because it's actually a good movie. The plot makes sense, the villain works, and the action scenes are fun (hello tank driving down a street in St. Petersburg). Skyfall was good because we weren't sure where it was going. Not every Bond plot has to be super-important worldwide. Just important enough for it to be a big deal to us and the characters. Same with Licence to Kill (which may also be unpopular, but I've seen more people say they enjoyed it in retrospect). Spectre, on the other hand... there's a lot of neat visuals in the movie, but there's something that just bogs down that movie for me. Maybe it's because they didn't give Christoph Waltz enough to do, or maybe it's because they tried to do the whole "I've been there since the beginning, James. I'm your long-lost adopted brother" or whatever it was that was just dumb. Granted, I haven't seen it since theatres, but whatever the reveal was soured me on it. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation did a similar story, but better.
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Jan 28, 2020 18:23
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The villain of QoS is basically just the CEO of Nestlé
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Tiggum posted:The 1967 Casino Royale is the only James Bond film I've actually managed to watch the whole way through, so it must be the best. It indicts the audience for wanting James Bond and is the best ipso facto
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Jan 28, 2020 20:01
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mojo1701a posted:Because our collective reaction upon discovering the plot was, "OK, so?" I can't remember if it was a casualty of the 2007 WGA strike, but it certainly felt like it was. Events just kind of happen. quote:Skyfall was good because we weren't sure where it was going. quote:Spectre, on the other hand... there's a lot of neat visuals in the movie, but there's something that just bogs down that movie for me. Maybe it's because they didn't give Christoph Waltz enough to do, or maybe it's because they tried to do the whole "I've been there since the beginning, James. I'm your long-lost adopted brother" or whatever it was that was just dumb. christmas boots posted:The villain of QoS is basically just the CEO of Nestlé
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Jan 29, 2020 00:00
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Spectre has one of the biggest explosions ever on film and does nothing with it. Also it's one of the rare times when executive meddling actually helped. The leaked Sony emails were full of studio notes saying "this sucks, fix it" and either they changed things and it sucked slightly less or they didn't and it was poo poo.
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Executive meddling isn't nearly as bad as manchildren blathering about "auteur theory," watching CinemaSins and RLM, and taking SMG posts seriously would have you believe. --------- Like Star Trek: Insurrection is a bad movie, the kind you really grow to hate the more you sit and think about it.  The entire plot hinges on sympathy for a truly detestable group of people who are absolutely in the moral wrong, and whose fictional society is built on a mess of terrible logic. It's about a fictional planet in a weird part of space whose orbiting rings heals everyone who lives on the planet-- blind people literally grow their eyes back:  You become functionally immortal and lock-in your age during the prime of your life, like zero downsides aside from increased libido and some puberty symptoms (oh no). A group of aliens called the Ba'ku have been living there for a few hundred years-- there's only about 300 of them on the entire planet, they're almost entirely white, live in an impossibly pristine rural villa area that purposefully eschews post-industrial technology (oh but they remember how all that poo poo works and can fix complex equipment).   The Ba'ku refuse to move. Despite not being native, they claim the planet as theirs and don't want to share dick, and keep living their creepy immortal cult compound lifestyle. So the big bad Federation wants to relocate them, pressured by the Son'a who are revealed to be a group of Renegage Ba'ku kids who left the planet and now want to go down and heal so they don't die (the bastards).   So naturally our diplomat/explorer heroes want to save the Ba'ku, say "up yours" to the Federation, and blow up the So'na, all to preserve the Ba'ku's remarkably idiotic way of life.  It's a terrible movie, with a good one in there, built on terrible terrible premises. I know my description sounds biased, and it is, but watch the movie with even two of your brain cells rubbing together and tell me it doesn't come across exactly how I'm describing it. --------- And the studio notes from all the so-called hacks, meddlers, no-nothings, "money people," etc. are calling out the bullshit during production, raising really basic questions like "Why are we rooting for these Ba'ku? They really don't seem good if they're hoarding life-saving medicine." and "This plot seems like it could be solved by sharing the giant planet, why is any of this poo poo after Act I even happening?" And somehow nothing changed and the movie sucked. Other good examples include Dragonball Z manga editors pressuring Akira Toriyama to create cooler villains and to "get to the point" faster or Joss Whedon being mandated to get over his bullshit and reset Angel for Season 5. Like yeah a lot of the time Executives don't know poo poo and need to step out of the way, but sometimes they're the common sense perspective that artistes need to remind them "You're making commercial media dipshit. If you were good enough to get away with being experimental you'd be doing that already." mind the walrus has a new favorite as of 00:45 on Jan 29, 2020 |
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Jan 29, 2020 00:26
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No good movies were made in the 20th century. In fact the triumph of the Allies in WW2 was the only good thing that happened in that century, and in true 20th century fashion, they immediately turned nukes on each other and started doing imperialisms.
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Jan 29, 2020 01:35
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Aramek posted:I saw it in the theater and literally the only thing I remember about the movie is that he says the title at one point. Live and let die, Nobody does it better. If you want unpopular opinions, esquire did a ranking of all the songs and had You know my name as the worst. I didn't bother reading any further. Also, Daltons films are good, and the further back you go the harder the movies are to watch due to being problematic.
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Amoeba102 posted:Live and let die, Nobody does it better. Not sure if the old misogynist dinosaur could top Skyfall all but prove me wrong goons
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Jan 29, 2020 03:43
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All the Bond movies are mediocre to bad and there don’t need to be any more
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:All the Bond movies are mediocre to bad and there don’t need to be any more
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Jan 29, 2020 04:00
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Isn’t that in the new one? Like yeah, Craig is still Bond but he’s been retired so they’ve given the 007 codename to another agent that happens to be a black woman?
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HairyManling posted:They kinda sorta tried with Craig, but it ended up being basically the same thing, but “grittier”. Ugh. Quantum of Solace-- Bourne Skyfall-- The Dark Knight Spectre-- MCU/DCEU continuity bullshit No Time to Die-- looks like Mission Impossible, with the girl If they had half a brain they'd snap up Idris Elba-- he's still got a few years where he can do it--but they don't seem to care. Plus Daniel Craig has been checked out of the role since 2012. He likes doing Southern accents now and he's drat good at it.
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Not sure if the old misogynist dinosaur could top Skyfall all but prove me wrong goons Skyfall isn't even the best of the Craig bond songs.
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Jan 29, 2020 04:35
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The Craig bond films are hot garbage and don’t deserve any of the almost 3 billion dollars they’ve made. Well casino royale was good and had beautiful locations but was 30 minutes too long. Plus it was nice seeing bond played more realistically after Brosnans bond went into what was basically parody. QoS was forgettable. I don’t remember much except bad editing during a chase scene. Then there was Skyfall I think and the dude dislocated his jaw that was kind of creepy and I remember maybe some homoerotic tension between him and bond? Spectre has Batista
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Jan 29, 2020 07:16
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It's the same with Brosnan, the first one they did was good with a good song. Then the movies got worse, music was up and down. Brosnan had fhe stupidest movie with the worst song though. Craigs never got that bad, yet. Lazenby was the only one to get it right. One and done.
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mind the walrus posted:The Ba'ku refuse to move. Despite not being native, they claim the planet as theirs and don't want to share dick, and keep living their creepy immortal cult compound lifestyle. So the big bad Federation wants to relocate them, pressured by the Son'a who are revealed to be a group of Renegage Ba'ku kids who left the planet and now want to go down and heal so they don't die (the bastards).
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PHUO: Star Trek: Insurrection was the TNG film most faithful to the spirit of TNG, closely followed by Generations. First Contact was basically TNG’s take on Aliens, but really had little to do with TNG, and Nemesis was...a mess.
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PHUO: Beyond is the best Trek film since Undiscovered Country.
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None of the trrk filmscare good Most of the shows are bad too
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mind the walrus posted:Skyfall is good until you realize it's nearly the exact same movie as The Dark Knight, then it's just pretty and ok. mind the walrus posted:That's because Bond after Casino Royale in 2006 doesn't have an identity. They chase trends. Yeah, I never quite put two and two together with The Dark Knight, but I remember reading once that someone compared final shot of Bond looking over London with his coat in the breeze was supposed to be reminiscent of Batman with his cape looking over Gotham. I think the producers even once said they'd love to get Christopher Nolan to direct one. As for the Mission: Impossible connection, it's even weirder given that Lea Seydoux was in Ghost Protocol, and was then cast in Spectre. And yeah, the continuity/expanded universe stuff is so drat annoying. I mean, Bond's always chased trends (like I said, Moonraker was an attempt at chasing Star Wars, Licence to Kill chased the late '80s paranoia about drug culture, for example), but there are times when they've done it well and made us care. But when they gently caress up, hoo boy is it ever obvious. Blue Moonlight posted:PHUO: Star Trek: Insurrection was the TNG film most faithful to the spirit of TNG, closely followed by Generations. I don't think this is that unpopular of an opinion. First Contact is good because it's focused on what it does, and it did it well. it's not a perfect Star Trek film, but it has enough of the themes to work IMO. Trapick posted:I'm not going to defend the movie, it's terrible. But the Son'a don't want to live on the planet (which they could, just land on the other side, the 300 Ba'ku won't notice), they want to suck the magic particles from around the planet or whatever and irreparably destroy an entire planet's ecosystem to extend their lives somewhat. Yeah, there were definite downsides that the movie didn't quite mention enough. It's too bad, because there's a good TNG movie in there somewhere, and there are some really good themes, but it just doesn't amount to much. (Also they imply that the Son'a were on the side of the Dominion, and a DS9 episode references them as some kind of influence, so that was botched). I'll still watch it once in a while because I love the visuals and music.
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SPECTRE, to me, is the exact middle point in the franchise. Half the movies are better, the other half are worse, including QoS.
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mojo1701a posted:Yeah, there were definite downsides that the movie didn't quite mention enough. It's too bad, because there's a good TNG movie in there somewhere, and there are some really good themes, but it just doesn't amount to much. (Also they imply that the Son'a were on the side of the Dominion, and a DS9 episode references them as some kind of influence, so that was botched). gently caress I'd watch that movie.
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Florida is in the top 50% of states
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Bond is like, watchable garbage. I mean I wouldn't and don't watch it anymore more but it was something on TV. Florida is a wet damp hot hellhole and I never ever would wanna live there. Maybe get drunk in Miami a few times if I won the lottery but other than that gently caress off.
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I wanna see if Picard addresses how Janeway used time travel to destroy the Borg, using a virus from the future. That is forbidden. Using time travel to defeat your enemies is forbidden and there are time agents working to bust you. It's like a massive plot point in Enterprise. Using a virus against the Borg is a war crime. If you wanna argue that war crimes are ok some times, ok, let's argue.
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Jan 31, 2020 12:20
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. All Bond movies should be set in the 60s or 70s. "hacking" in a James Bond movie should be like hacking in The Italian Job, where you just need to switch out a giant reel of magnetic tape because that's how computers worked back then.
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Gripweed posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again. All Bond movies should be set in the 60s or 70s. If you've never played Counterspy, you need to get on that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxe9tymcxRQ
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doverhog posted:I wanna see if Picard addresses how Janeway used time travel to destroy the Borg, using a virus from the future. That is forbidden. Using time travel to defeat your enemies is forbidden and there are time agents working to bust you. It's like a massive plot point in Enterprise.
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