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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Lazyhound posted:

So, uh, would the optimal strategy for personal survival be to get the coronavirus as early as possible, while there are still ICU beds available?

More optimal to not get it all, wash your hands frequently and don't touch your face

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BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Peachfart posted:

Well my uncle works at the CDC and he says everyone in the world is already dead.

Can't believe the real worlds ripping off the end of lost

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Lazyhound posted:

So, uh, would the optimal strategy for personal survival be to get the coronavirus as early as possible, while there are still ICU beds available?

You mean my job that involves comfined spaces with chinese is actually a plus?

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

QuarkJets posted:

More optimal to not get it all, wash your hands frequently and don't touch your face

What if you wsnt to wash your face

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

What if you wsnt to wash your face

Use your feet

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Get a bunch of other viruses so that when you get this one, it will be forced to contend with all the other viruses, allowing your immune system to divide and conquer

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
I think hope it remains contained long enough for an effective antiviral regimen or vaccine to emerge?

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Fojar38 posted:

Get a bunch of other viruses so that when you get this one, it will be forced to contend with all the other viruses, allowing your immune system to divide and conquer

or overwhelm it

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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If the virus manages to defeat all the other viruses and then defeat the final boss that is your immune system, you have to let it enter its initials and kill you

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Fojar38 posted:

Get a bunch of other viruses so that when you get this one, it will be forced to contend with all the other viruses, allowing your immune system to divide and conquer

ah yes the battle royale solution.

alternatively, find whatever the exact opposite of coronavirus is and infect yourself with that so they cancel each other out.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

I think hope it remains contained long enough for an effective antiviral regimen or vaccine to emerge?

CDC is working on a vaccine and the virus hasnt mutated any

Gantolandon
Aug 19, 2012

Fojar38 posted:

Get a bunch of other viruses so that when you get this one, it will be forced to contend with all the other viruses, allowing your immune system to divide and conquer

Offer a large tract of tissue to the virus as tribute. It will be forced to fight other pathogens and keep you alive as its loyal vassal.

Lazyhound
Mar 1, 2004

A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous—got me?

QuarkJets posted:

More optimal to not get it all, wash your hands frequently and don't touch your face
I live in Richmond, BC, the China of North America, and use public transit, so lol.

Also I’ve been failing to fight off a hardcore lung infection for seven weeks already now so I fully expect to die if I catch it.

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

Despera posted:

CDC is working on a vaccine and the virus hasnt mutated any

Yeah serious post aside from all the :lol: death worship :lol: I do about this thing, I'm actually quite concerned and I genuinely hope that quarantine and containment are effective, that the virus remains unchanged and that the groups racing to get a working vaccine scaled up to humans are successful as quickly as possible.

Serious people in the real world who look at things like this for a living are pretty concerned. The epidemiology math is... not reassuring.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
So, how long should I expect to hole up to wait this out once poo poo gets really bad?

I wanna be ahead of the masses, but not so much that I'm wearing a full hazmat suit to Walmart until it's absolutely necessary.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Rad-daddio posted:

So, how long should I expect to hole up to wait this out once poo poo gets really bad?

I wanna be ahead of the masses, but not so much that I'm wearing a full hazmat suit to Walmart until it's absolutely necessary.

Ièd say somewhere between 3 and 240 months.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Jamsta posted:

Has anyone run the numbers on what's needed for a societal breakdown if more people are off sick then there are to run basic infra?

Comedy answer and serious answer both needed thx

e: :lrpage2:

If 1918 didn't do it, this won't.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Thread I got a slight headache I have the virus anyone in the Philly area can come over and bring Campbell's soup

bones 4 beginners
Jan 7, 2018

"...a masterpiece that no one can read too often, or admire too much."

Despera posted:

or overwhelm it

The Boo-urns theory of immunology.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Despera posted:

CDC is working on a vaccine and the virus hasnt mutated any

That's months away, at best. I read that a vaccine probably won't be widely available for at least a year

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
where do I sign up to get the vaccine trial with no testing, i'd rather die from the vaccine than the disease.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Thread I got a slight headache I have the virus anyone in the Philly area can come over and bring Campbell's soup

1918 had a 5% fatality rate

How bad can a global pandemic be if we make a friend along the way?

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Rad-daddio posted:

So, how long should I expect to hole up to wait this out once poo poo gets really bad?

I wanna be ahead of the masses, but not so much that I'm wearing a full hazmat suit to Walmart until it's absolutely necessary.

No one can make that prediction with any accuracy. Keep your fingers crossed that containment works otherwise start holding onto your used cheetos bags to sew them into a hazmat suit

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Celexi posted:

where do I sign up to get the vaccine trial with no testing, i'd rather die from the vaccine than the disease.

A failed vaccine dose will probably just give you the disease, something that you could have prevented by just washing your hands and not eating eclairs that you see sitting in the trash

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Despera posted:

1918 had a 5% fatality rate

How bad can a global pandemic be if we make a friend along the way?

I dont know about 1918 but no one in my showing of 1917 died

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-level

WHO Has Admitted an Error in Its Assessment of Wuhan Coronavirus Risk
DARIO THUBURN, AFP28 JAN 2020
The World Health Organization, which has sometimes been criticised for its handling of past disease outbreaks, admitted an error on Monday in its risk assessment of China's deadly virus.

The Geneva-based UN agency said in a situation report late Sunday that the risk was "very high in China, high at the regional level and high at the global level."

In a footnote, the WHO explained that it had stated "incorrectly" in its previous reports on Thursday, Friday and Saturday that the global risk was "moderate".

The correction of the global risk assessment does not mean that an international health emergency has been declared.

The WHO on Thursday stopped short of declaring the novel coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern - a rare designation used only for the worst outbreaks that would trigger more concerted global action.

The virus, which was first identified in the city of Wuhan in China on December 31, has since infected more than 2,700 people worldwide, including a few cases identified in over a dozen other countries.

Eighty-one people have died - all of them in China.

A 'sizeable' mistake
WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who is visiting China this week to discuss ways of containing the outbreak, came under intense questioning from reporters on Thursday over his decision not to declare the emergency.

Some reporters asked whether the decision was politicised.

At the briefing at WHO headquarters, however, Tedros had said that the designation could be changed at any moment and that the global risk from the outbreak was "high".

"This is an emergency in China but it has not yet become a global health emergency. It may yet become one," he said.

"WHO's risk assessment is that the outbreak is a very high risk in China, and a high risk regionally and globally."

WHO said the categorisation was "a global evaluation of risk, covering severity, spread and capacity to cope".

The agency added that the mistake made in three of its situation reports had been an "error in the wording".

Asked about the correction, Antoine Flahault, co-director of the Swiss School of Public Health, told AFP: "It's a mistake. It's definitely a sizeable one... but I really think it's a mistake that has now been corrected".

Cautious approach
WHO's cautious approach to the outbreak, which has been challenged by some critics, can be seen in the context of past criticism over its slow or too hasty use of the term, first used for the deadly 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic.

During that outbreak, the UN health agency was criticised for sparking panic-buying of vaccines with its announcement that year that the outbreak had reached pandemic proportions, and then anger when it turned out the virus was not nearly as dangerous as first thought.

But in 2014, the WHO met harsh criticism for dragging its feet and downplaying the severity of the Ebola epidemic that ravaged three West Africa countries, claiming more than 11,300 lives by the time it ended in 2016.

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
The WHO has a tough job to get it just right but I think by the end of the day tomorrow they'll have made the call to identify this as a IHE.

WorldsStongestNerd
Apr 28, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Homeless Friend posted:

viruses don't live :owned:

Da gently caress? I would start a multipage derail with you over what is the definition of life except I've been really tired and achy today. All this coughing makes it hard to concentrate....

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Anyone panicking about this is dumb. If you are so bored you need to fantasize about this virus killing us all, go for a hike or something.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
oh my body is ready for the "are virusus alive?' derail

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Peachfart posted:

Anyone panicking about this is dumb. If you are so bored you need to fantasize about this virus killing us all, go for a hike or something.

I'm not panicking honestly the virus is a moron

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Despera posted:

oh my body is ready for the "are virusus alive?' derail

Life is not a meaningful concept for molecular biology.

WorldsStongestNerd
Apr 28, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Spazzle posted:

Life is not a meaningful concept for molecular biology.

And yet, bacteria are considered alive.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

And yet, bacteria are considered alive.

Actually

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Many bacteria died and are not alive anymore so that is a Wrong statement

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
A virus is a rogue piece of code of unknown origin normally, a prion just wants to gently caress up things like wasps and bacterias do actually live.

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

And yet, bacteria are considered alive.

Thats just pseudomystical metaphors. Bacteria (mostly) are metabolic systems, viruses are not. Both are biological machines.

Life is a floofy term best applied to multicellular organisms, and even then is somewhat subjective.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Fojar38 posted:

If the virus manages to defeat all the other viruses and then defeat the final boss that is your immune system, you have to let it enter its initials and kill you

That's literally what happens, isn't it? Viruses work by rewriting your DNA to turn your cells into virus-factories. So the virus is entering its initials, which are GACTACGAGACTAGATTCA...

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Tree Bucket posted:

That's literally what happens, isn't it? Viruses work by rewriting your DNA to turn your cells into virus-factories. So the virus is entering its initials, which are GACTACGAGACTAGATTCA...

Actually virus can't write they have no hands or brains

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It's still not time to panic but I am even less excited than usual to be traveling through major airports later this week

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