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Who will win the Super Bowl?
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Kansas City Chiefs 65 0.71%
San Francisco 49ers 42 0.46%
Goku 9016 98.52%
Lamar is the MVP 28 0.31%
Total: 9151 votes
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No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

Julius CSAR posted:

Hell yeah brother

Also, beers from Free State Brewing in Lawrence, KS are really good too.

There's a brewery on the east side of Lawrence that has a lot of really good beers. Loved their pilsner, ale and their coffee stout. We had our work Christmas party there and it rocked.

Lawrence Beer Co.

Good beer in these parts.

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Alaois
Feb 7, 2012


lmao Tre Roberson is probably a better QB than Mitch too

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
Someone didnt think of the optics of this. It implies the seahawks lose every game

420_Power_Rangers
Dec 9, 2014

Gotta Hate Something

I don't know who this is, but considering some of the dudes we trotted out at CB this year, good? I think?

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

No Butt Stuff posted:

There's a brewery on the east side of Lawrence that has a lot of really good beers. Loved their pilsner, ale and their coffee stout. We had our work Christmas party there and it rocked.

Lawrence Beer Co.

Good beer in these parts.

I'm partial to Three Trails brewing in Independence

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

I'm living in a dream world where everybody is discussing the Chiefs on Jan 28 and Free State in the Super Bowl thread.


I feel like I may have spent half of everything I earned for six years at Free State. Still miss that porch and it is weird to see some familiar faces still hanging out there when I visit.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
I've heard good things about some of KC Bier Co's offerings but I don't know how available they are outside of KC.

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

got any sevens posted:

Someone didnt think of the optics of this. It implies the seahawks lose every game


The Seahawks going 0-16 in the 2020 season would be a surprise but a welcome one. I’m glad it has been foretold.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

https://twitter.com/Vikings/status/1222401989037838337

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?
drat, Chris Doleman owned. One of my step dad's favorite players.

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

FizFashizzle posted:

Kinda want brady to come back just to watch him take a season of kill shots

Didn't Scarnecchia retire a few years ago only to get dragged back after New England's line went to poo poo? I swear I remember that happening.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Patrick Spens posted:

Didn't Scarnecchia retire a few years ago only to get dragged back after New England's line went to poo poo? I swear I remember that happening.

Yes, he retired in 2013 and returned in 2016 or something like that.

Losing his evil magic is gonna really suck

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.




:( RIP Doleman.

I hope hes sacking QBs in heaven now.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Patrick Spens posted:

Didn't Scarnecchia retire a few years ago only to get dragged back after New England's line went to poo poo? I swear I remember that happening.


Docjowles posted:

Yes, he retired in 2013 and returned in 2016 or something like that.

Losing his evil magic is gonna really suck

Yeah, he retired for the '14 and '15 seasons. 2014 was fine, they were average running the ball due to Steven Ridley / Shane Vereen not inspiring much confidence, but Brady was his normal self with a great receiving cast, so it was fine.

2015 though, the line collapsed and they couldn't run the ball, Edelman missed half the year with injuries and Brady just got the poo poo knocked out of him.

D-LINK
Oct 1, 2007

I was talking to peachy Peach about kissy Kiss. He bought me a soda.
OTD in 1974, the Pittsburgh Steelers acquired 5 HoFers:

1st round: Lynn Swann
2nd round: Jack Lambert
4th round: John Stallworth
5th round: Mike Webster
UDFA: Donnie Shell

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
5 irrelevant players*

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
https://twitter.com/RealFRamirez/status/1222562682781470726?s=19

Miss you, Sex Machine

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
I'm bored.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Was reminded of Logicblade's great QB ranking thread from the offseason (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3891377&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) and figured, what the heck, let's throw the 2019 season into his formula and see what we get.

So the idea is basically, figure out what the average points given up in the season are (22.8), and teams record when that happens league wide (win 25.7% of the time when you give up that many points, win 74.3% when giving up less), then compare that to each team's record (he was doing it by QB, but I'm lazy.)

To pick a random team:

Steelers went 8-8, they went 1-5 when giving up 23+ points, and 7-3 when giving up less:

(1+5) * 25.7% + (7+3) * 74.3% = 8.972 Expected wins

8 actual wins - 8.972 expected wins = -.972 Wins

pre:
          Actual          Expected wins  Difference  (QB Value)           
Saints		13		7.51		5.49
Seahawks	11		6.06		4.94
Packers		13		8.97		4.03
49ers		13		8.97		4.03
Ravens		14		10.43		3.57
Chiefs		12		8.49		3.51
Patriots	12		9.94		2.06
Texans		10		8.00		2.00
Vikings		10		8.97		1.03
Eagles		9		8.00		1.00
Buccaneers	7		6.06		0.94
Rams		9		8.49		0.51
Cardinals	5		4.83		0.17
Raiders		7		7.03		-0.03
Bills		10		10.43		-0.43
Titans		9		9.46		-0.46
Falcons		7		7.51		-0.51
Colts		7		7.51		-0.51
Cowboys		8		8.97		-0.97
Steelers	8		8.97		-0.97
Jets		7		8.00		-1.00
Browns		6		7.03		-1.03
Panthers	5		6.06		-1.06
Dolphins	5		6.06		-1.06
Broncos		7		8.49		-1.49
Jaguars		6		7.51		-1.51
Giants		4		5.57		-1.57
Bears		8		9.94		-1.94
Chargers	5		7.03		-2.03
Lions		3		5.80		-2.80
Washington	3		7.03		-4.03
Bengals		2		6.54		-4.54

No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

Flikken posted:

I'm partial to Three Trails brewing in Independence

I'm partial to Fringe in Lee's Summit, but they don't distribute. You can usually find a lot of good local stuff in Taps on Main.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Kalli posted:

Was reminded of Logicblade's great QB ranking thread from the offseason (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3891377&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) and figured, what the heck, let's throw the 2019 season into his formula and see what we get.

So the idea is basically, figure out what the average points given up in the season are (22.8), and teams record when that happens league wide (win 25.7% of the time when you give up that many points, win 74.3% when giving up less), then compare that to each team's record (he was doing it by QB, but I'm lazy.)

To pick a random team:

Steelers went 8-8, they went 1-5 when giving up 23+ points, and 7-3 when giving up less:

(1+5) * 25.7% + (7+3) * 74.3% = 8.972 Expected wins

8 actual wins - 8.972 expected wins = -.972 Wins

pre:
          Actual          Expected wins  Difference  (QB Value)           
Saints		13		7.51		5.49
Seahawks	11		6.06		4.94
Packers		13		8.97		4.03
49ers		13		8.97		4.03
Ravens		14		10.43		3.57
Chiefs		12		8.49		3.51
Patriots	12		9.94		2.06
Texans		10		8.00		2.00
Vikings		10		8.97		1.03
Eagles		9		8.00		1.00
Buccaneers	7		6.06		0.94
Rams		9		8.49		0.51
Cardinals	5		4.83		0.17
Raiders		7		7.03		-0.03
Bills		10		10.43		-0.43
Titans		9		9.46		-0.46
Falcons		7		7.51		-0.51
Colts		7		7.51		-0.51
Cowboys		8		8.97		-0.97
Steelers	8		8.97		-0.97
Jets		7		8.00		-1.00
Browns		6		7.03		-1.03
Panthers	5		6.06		-1.06
Dolphins	5		6.06		-1.06
Broncos		7		8.49		-1.49
Jaguars		6		7.51		-1.51
Giants		4		5.57		-1.57
Bears		8		9.94		-1.94
Chargers	5		7.03		-2.03
Lions		3		5.80		-2.80
Washington	3		7.03		-4.03
Bengals		2		6.54		-4.54

The expected wins seem too normalized.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



A.o.D. posted:

The expected wins seem too normalized.

It's the fault of the formula. teams average 8 games above 22.8 points, and 8 below, and win 25% of the above, and 75% of the below, which ends up with that. Biggest spread is due to the Bills / Ravens only allowing 23+ 3 times each, while the Bengals were uh.... bad.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Kalli posted:

Was reminded of Logicblade's great QB ranking thread from the offseason (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3891377&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1) and figured, what the heck, let's throw the 2019 season into his formula and see what we get.

So the idea is basically, figure out what the average points given up in the season are (22.8), and teams record when that happens league wide (win 25.7% of the time when you give up that many points, win 74.3% when giving up less), then compare that to each team's record (he was doing it by QB, but I'm lazy.)

To pick a random team:

Steelers went 8-8, they went 1-5 when giving up 23+ points, and 7-3 when giving up less:

(1+5) * 25.7% + (7+3) * 74.3% = 8.972 Expected wins

8 actual wins - 8.972 expected wins = -.972 Wins

pre:
          Actual          Expected wins  Difference  (QB Value)           
Saints		13		7.51		5.49
Seahawks	11		6.06		4.94
Packers		13		8.97		4.03
49ers		13		8.97		4.03
Ravens		14		10.43		3.57
Chiefs		12		8.49		3.51
Patriots	12		9.94		2.06
Texans		10		8.00		2.00
Vikings		10		8.97		1.03
Eagles		9		8.00		1.00
Buccaneers	7		6.06		0.94
Rams		9		8.49		0.51
Cardinals	5		4.83		0.17
Raiders		7		7.03		-0.03
Bills		10		10.43		-0.43
Titans		9		9.46		-0.46
Falcons		7		7.51		-0.51
Colts		7		7.51		-0.51
Cowboys		8		8.97		-0.97
Steelers	8		8.97		-0.97
Jets		7		8.00		-1.00
Browns		6		7.03		-1.03
Panthers	5		6.06		-1.06
Dolphins	5		6.06		-1.06
Broncos		7		8.49		-1.49
Jaguars		6		7.51		-1.51
Giants		4		5.57		-1.57
Bears		8		9.94		-1.94
Chargers	5		7.03		-2.03
Lions		3		5.80		-2.80
Washington	3		7.03		-4.03
Bengals		2		6.54		-4.54

I'm not too good with this kind of stuff, but what I gather is it's saying that a team that gives up more than 23 points and still wins, those wins can be attributed to QB value. Is that right? It doesn't seem to account for turnovers (or special teams), but I guess a defense giving up more than 23 points isn't likely also one getting many pick-sixes or returning fumbles for scores.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Finger Prince posted:

I'm not too good with this kind of stuff, but what I gather is it's saying that a team that gives up more than 23 points and still wins, those wins can be attributed to QB value. Is that right? It doesn't seem to account for turnovers (or special teams), but I guess a defense giving up more than 23 points isn't likely also one getting many pick-sixes or returning fumbles for scores.

Yeah, Logic's thread was just trying to come up with a quick and dirty number he could apply across eras to compare every QB with more then like 80 starts.

I just remembered it and was like, hey let's throw in this year's numbers and see what it looks like.

The super short version is, if you give up 23 or less points, teams win about 75% of the time, and if they give up more then conversely, 25%. So QB value is how much more often then that does your team win. But yeah, it ignores a whole host of things like defensive scores, ST value, and garbage time scoring.

Also it assigns that value to the QB, when there's also the rest of the offense, and the coaching, but hey, quick and dirty.

I mean Dak isn't worth -1 wins, but Jason Garrett sure is.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
Reverse one score games and Bengals are 9-7.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

Finger Prince posted:

I'm not too good with this kind of stuff, but what I gather is it's saying that a team that gives up more than 23 points and still wins, those wins can be attributed to QB value. Is that right? It doesn't seem to account for turnovers (or special teams), but I guess a defense giving up more than 23 points isn't likely also one getting many pick-sixes or returning fumbles for scores.
When LogicBlade did his QB ranking he adjusted a few QBs that played with historically great defenses. The 85 Bears could have made the Super Bowl if all Jim McMahon did was hand the ball off to Walter Payton every snap.

Mystic Stylez
Dec 19, 2009

https://twitter.com/cpriceglobe/status/1222258266786476033?s=19

E: https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1222585043039571968?s=19

Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jan 29, 2020

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray
At the Super Bowl press event someone asked Andy Reid about wearing a speedo, and I was just thinking what an amazing strategic power move that would be if he just shows up to the game like that. Andy Reid in a teeny tiny banana hammock would strike fear into the heart of any adversary

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Play posted:

At the Super Bowl press event someone asked Andy Reid about wearing a speedo, and I was just thinking what an amazing strategic power move that would be if he just shows up to the game like that. Andy Reid in a teeny tiny banana hammock would strike fear into the heart of any adversary

Rope where the only thing covering himself is the challenge flag.

Dare the refs to gently caress up.

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen
Suspicious that there's no Kansas City options in the underwear section of the NFL shop site. At least San Francisco has boxer options.

Ches Neckbeard
Dec 3, 2005

You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!
Only football undies you'll ever
need

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Is that a 6 or a C?

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen
I think it's supposed to be a 6, for Baker Mayfield.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
I'd only wear football underwear for defense because I'd rather pad my sack.

Raku
Nov 7, 2012

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Roll Tide

Ches Neckbeard posted:

Only football undies you'll ever
need

There's a "T" missing in the waistband

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003




Posting barstool should be probatable

Mystic Stylez
Dec 19, 2009

I know Barstool is absolutely disgusting but has PFT Commenter done something I don't know about or anything?

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Sorry I may just be in a bad mood or getting old but his schtick seems painfully unfunny lately

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


What kind of person conducts and indoor interview wearing sunglasses?

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wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

Finger Prince posted:

What kind of person conducts and indoor interview wearing sunglasses?

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