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As someone who was always complete garbage at melee maps and loved customs, this news is such a gut punch to me. I admit to having been idly looking forward to doing some old customs once Reforged was out, and now that it sounds like all my favorite maps are dead not just in Reforged but also my old disc version. Well, hopefully things will change and, if not, I'm sure people will figure out a solution. If not, though, proposal to change the name of the thread to: "WarCraft III: When Men Were Men, Orcs Were Orcs, and Customs Were"
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The 'feedback' excuse has no basis in anything for this, everything is sloppy and undone. Blaming the community is just as absurd as T.O. blaming the fans. And the butchered the World Editor as an extra gently caress you to the fans that want to try and fix poo poo. Really just fixing the few bugs in classic WC3 and having a 're-launch' party would've been better. At least they didn't gently caress up starcraft like this.
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Maekrix Waere posted:As someone who was always complete garbage at melee maps and loved customs, this news is such a gut punch to me. I admit to having been idly looking forward to doing some old customs once Reforged was out, and now that it sounds like all my favorite maps are dead not just in Reforged but also my old disc version. Well, hopefully things will change and, if not, I'm sure people will figure out a solution. The servers are so hosed at the moment that even getting a custom game going seems to be a coinflip. I've tried a few times and it's like... If you host, you may get booted from your own game immediately. If you don't, anyone who joins may get auto-booted. Then, if you manage to get players and launch it, a lot of them may desync and disconnect during loading. If you join, you may just get booted from games. Not in the sense of being kicked by the host, but you just find yourself in the lobby again after clicking join. Then if you join and the hosts gets players and they launch, you may desync during loading. Total crapshoot.
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Maekrix Waere posted:If not, though, proposal to change the name of the thread to: "WarCraft III: When Men Were Men, Orcs Were Orcs, and Customs Were" not an emptyquote
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Jan 30, 2020 03:03
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lol blizzard has removed some of the comedy voice lines you get if you click on units too much
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Zaphod42 posted:
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why wouldn't they make the graphics better
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Holy poo poo it looks worse
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So normal warcraft 3 is just gone now? I bought it through bnet years ago because i lost my original CDs and now that purchase has disappeared and there is no way to play it? I had assumed they just shut down the servers but it looks like the installer I used to be able to download is for reforged now. Very cool and neat.
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Dpulex posted:Holy poo poo it looks worse And it's so easy to fix, too! Like,  Two or three clicks and it's back to looking like it belongs in WCIII. The shadows are still hosed, but it's a start.
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Horizon Burning posted:lol blizzard has removed some of the comedy voice lines you get if you click on units too much It's "human mating call" isn't it?
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Jan 30, 2020 04:15
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so blizzard actually put in work on... what, exactly?
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KrunkMcGrunk posted:so blizzard actually put in work on... what, exactly? Contribution of IP and branding to provide fuel for the fire.
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Look, taking a nap and collecting all the money through their existing structures was a lot of work, ok?
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KrunkMcGrunk posted:so blizzard actually put in work on... what, exactly? Probably setting the deadline
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Found the source. Looks like these guys did much the same thing (ie. pretty much all of the art) on Starcraft Remastered, so Blizzard probably contributed by botching the programming side and effectively putting the mod support to the sword.
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Andrigaar posted:It's "human mating call" isn't it? I think that one and the Spirit Walker saying his hoof and your rear end have an appointment from what I've read. literally a hog fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Nice things to say about War3 remaster: The portraits having lip-sync is noticable and nice But the portraits are rendered low res with no anti-aliasing so they look like poo poo anyways  Also, replaying the campaign, I do really love Warcraft 3. I grew up on this game. I miss it. Man I wish this remaster wasn't so lovely in so many ways. KrunkMcGrunk posted:so blizzard actually put in work on... what, exactly? That's a post from LemonSky Blizz outsourced this poo poo lmao
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Rahu posted:So normal warcraft 3 is just gone now? I bought it through bnet years ago because i lost my original CDs and now that purchase has disappeared and there is no way to play it? I had assumed they just shut down the servers but it looks like the installer I used to be able to download is for reforged now. Yeah, and this is what grinds my gears. They have effectively shut down all the OG warcraft 3 servers and if you boot up the old client it pushes you to update it into remastered. You get the non HD remastered client for free if you own war3 which is nice, but its still poo poo because features are missing. If remaster had LAN play and offline vs AI I'd be more open to it, but they don't, so forcibly removing that option is loving horseshit. We bought that game Blizzard, you loving assholes, we paid full price for it loving 20 years ago, and now you patch it out of existence? gently caress!
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I think it’s time to accept that blizzard is a poo poo developer that have no idea what they’re doing anymore
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I think it’s time to accept that blizzard is a poo poo developer that have no idea what they’re doing anymore Blizz is Activision-California now and that means they're straight poo poo, yeah. But its not that they don't know what they're doing. Its that they've become risk-averse cheapskates. Rushing out lovely mobile games to crank out max profit. The antithesis of the old "we won't sell games we wouldn't buy ourselves" Blizzard mentality.
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it was pretty clear this would be a big stinkeroonie when it was revealed during blizzcon 2018 though i didn't expect them to screw up the original game while they were at it lmaoAsh1138 posted:that remastered warcraft 3 looks like hot garbage
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I had high hopes because starcraft remastered was good. For that they did cool stuff like
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Okay, to whoever said "The interesting changes stop after the human campaign", gently caress you because I'm in the middle of the Fall of Silvermoon (gotta stop, bedtime cause I work in the morning), and the changes to this map are awesome. I get that there are gonna be less fun details like I found sprinkled through the human campaign, but holy poo poo I love what they did to this level, just the first half of it in dealing with Sylvanas. Edit: Man, I hate feeling like the only person who actually likes the new graphics. I think they look nice. 
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BlazetheInferno posted:Okay, to whoever said "The interesting changes stop after the human campaign", gently caress you lmao The Kins posted:Found the source. Looks like these guys did much the same thing (ie. pretty much all of the art) on Starcraft Remastered, so Blizzard probably contributed by botching the programming side and effectively putting the mod support to the sword. kinda bizarre that the sc remaster felt pretty much perfect whereas the war3 one is just an inconsistent shambles Horizon Burning fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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It's a real shame that Blizzard is no longer true to its original philosophy. Also the new character models are weirdly stretched, and I still can't start a game sometimes. Only the background is displayed without GUI elements. And why didn't they finally add an IDE for JASS Scripting?
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BlazetheInferno posted:Edit: Man, I hate feeling like the only person who actually likes the new graphics. I think they look nice. I like the graphics I just wish the contrast on the unit colors was way higher. I was playing a game last night and I could hardly tell the enemy blue from my allies purple. Make the player colors way brighter and contrast more with the units normal coloring.
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I feel like the new graphics are fine. I kinda liked the old graphics too. Overall I'm pretty content with reforged, but it's certainly true though that old blizzard (good blizz) would have delayed this release. Hopefully new blizzard (evil blizz) will atleast patch it to bring this game to feature parity with WC3 classic.
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Horizon Burning posted:kinda bizarre that the sc remaster felt pretty much perfect whereas the war3 one is just an inconsistent shambles To me it looks like the main issue is that the game was rushed out. If it had significantly less bugs, the game could at least be "fine", if underwhelming and probably still uglier (but that feels like the case with a lot of remakes these days, since obviously more pixels and polygons automatically means better graphics regardless of art direction). Mata posted:I feel like the new graphics are fine. I kinda liked the old graphics too. Part of it could be that the higher-ups just assume people now expect games to be broken pieces of poo poo at launch, and... I don't think they're necessarily wrong, sadly. Zinkraptor fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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I do love how people on reddit are just off pirating Warcraft 3 classic, because they can't play the copy they bought anymore.
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lol so the cutscene where arthas picks up frostmourne is pretty much one of the actually reforged ones. it's so so different to all the other 'classic' ones. i wonder if there's any others they've left in for whatever reasons.
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haha so is the cutscene where he kill mal'ganis. they've kept the camera angles of classic (i think, kind of) so mal'ganis has this awkward bit where he paces out of frame and leaves 2/3s of the screen empty while he's talking
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:The 'feedback' excuse has no basis in anything for this, everything is sloppy and undone. Blaming the community is just as absurd as T.O. blaming the fans. And the butchered the World Editor as an extra gently caress you to the fans that want to try and fix poo poo. *goes back to eating rocks* Mata posted:I feel like the new graphics are fine. I kinda liked the old graphics too. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Coming back again to express my abject and complete disappointment at how Blizzard hosed up such an easy thing and it sucks because this was literally the only Blizzard title that sounded any decent after my interest in every single other Blizz title was systematically ground into dust due to a nonstop cavalcade of failure.
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as a pretty casual fan of warcraft 3, i don't really mind the graphics per se. but they're really inconsistent, and that's what bugs me. i like that a lot of the characters get unique models and the high elves all got their own stuff. but a lot of them feel stuck between more realistic stylings and the usual warcraft art style. some units are fairly faithful recreations, others are redesigns to be closer to the concept art, some are wholly different, some are - i assume - made to closer to how WoW depicted them. and even inside of those categories, some of them are just poorly done. some of them don't have animating portraits, some of them barely move, others are fine. the stuff that really sticks out to me is the in-game cutscenes - some of them have all sorts of remnants from what i assume are the reforged versions: footstep sounds, camera angles, animations, lip-syncing etc. it's so jarring. like, what the gently caress was going on with this development? with the units, for example, part of the issue with their greebly detailing is that they were obviously supposed to be viewed up close in certain reforged cutscenes. edit: and apparently some units are missing (apparently there's only one furion model now when there was two and the fel orc marine is missing) which messes up customs further Horizon Burning fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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So what's to stop all these copyright-infringing custom map makers from renaming the copyrighted characters to something just slightly different? Goku becomes Guko and things like that? Wouldn't that let them keep the maps in the game? Add a little disclaimer saying any relation to characters real or fictional is purely happenstance? Or will Blizzard just see through it an ban them anyways and that's what people are worried about?
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Chaitai posted:Or will Blizzard just see through it an ban them anyways and that's what people are worried about?
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Khorne posted:The main issue is they use copyrighted art, audio, etc. Changing a few names doesn't fix that. Ah, I didn't realize they were that involved. I've never played any of them, was just thinking about how companies skirt around copyrights all the time.
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