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Djarum posted:The issue with this is it would almost certainly be asking for succession at best or civil war at worst. Any option would mean if they were to hold on to power it would be meaningless. this is an important point. Mitt Romney, who LOATHES trump, and has no obligation to protect him for fear of his voters turning on him, is doing 95% of what Trump's most loyal members of congress are doing. They will justify anything if they think they can get away with it
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Djarum posted:The issue with this is it would almost certainly be asking for succession at best or civil war at worst. Any option would mean if they were to hold on to power it would be meaningless. It would, in reality, just be everyone ignoring Trump altogether. The loser's number doesn't matter when the winner is already certified with 270+ electoral votes. The "official" final tally for votes comes weeks after a winner has been declared every time anyway. It's more likely he puts up a hissy fit for weeks and then doesn't attend the inauguration, because that's all a sitting president can actually do.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:46
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Why is Jim Jordan getting air time on CSPAN right now? His role is done. He doesn't get to say poo poo now.
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so i assume trump team is still loving up. any chance of witnesses or still no? also i sorta think No witnesses would hurt them a gently caress ton more in November.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:49
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so i assume trump team is still loving up. any chance of witnesses or still no? also i sorta think No witnesses would hurt them a gently caress ton more in November. The chances of witnesses are higher than they've ever been, but still probably won't happen. There is no option that will not hurt them a fuckton in November.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:51
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HootTheOwl posted:Why is Jim Jordan getting air time on CSPAN right now? His role is done. He doesn't get to say poo poo now. They included him for WH counsel for some reason didn't they?
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Jan 30, 2020 21:53
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haveblue posted:The chances of witnesses are higher than they've ever been, but still probably won't happen. oh i know. id just rather have my birthday be them voting witnesses.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:53
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The only thing the majority Americans have agreed on for the first time in who knows how many years is 'yes we should see witnesses' even 'convict and remove' is over 50% and McConnell is just going to poo poo on that? He can't be half as confident as he's showing.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:54
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My view on witnesses is that I fully expect the vote on witnesses to be party line. If even the vulnerable GOP senators like Collins vote against Trump in any fashion there will definitely be at least some loss of GOP votes for them. What Democratic voter is going to vote for Collins or Gardener because they voted for witnesses, or even conviction/removal, instead of any Democrat? I sure wouldn’t. This whole period has shown that every GOP pol is part of the same machine as Trump that must lose power and be dismantled. The time for principled votes helping them get any votes that aren’t dyed in the wool GOP already is years past. So from a purely short term “what maximizes my chance of reelection” standpoint there is less risk to stick with Trump completely than any other course. I’d like to see it turn out different than straight party line but I don’t expect it.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:55
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An insane mind posted:The only thing the majority Americans have agreed on for the first time in who knows how many years is 'yes we should see witnesses' even 'convict and remove' is over 50% and McConnell is just going to poo poo on that? He can't be half as confident as he's showing. Why wouldn't he be? The chuds will fall in line, as ever.
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Xombie posted:It would, in reality, just be everyone ignoring Trump altogether. The loser's number doesn't matter when the winner is already certified with 270+ electoral votes. The "official" final tally for votes comes weeks after a winner has been declared every time anyway. I think his move would be what he was gearing up to do in 2016, claim voter fraud and illegal nonsense. The GOP will claim that the Democratic President is illegal, refuse to engage and obstruct. You will see them switch their views on everything right now instantly. It is so transparent it is hilarious at a certain level. This is why taking the Senate and keeping the House is such a important thing and pushing through as much as the Democrats can in a year. We might not get another chance to unfuck the country as well as being able to put a stop to many of the Right Wing’s tactics.
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RBA Starblade posted:Why wouldn't he be? The chuds will fall in line, as ever. And some of the non-CHUDs won't show up to vote for his people in November.
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An insane mind posted:The only thing the majority Americans have agreed on for the first time in who knows how many years is 'yes we should see witnesses' even 'convict and remove' is over 50% and McConnell is just going to poo poo on that? He can't be half as confident as he's showing. They're strongly relying upon most of that >50% being in the parts of the country that have less than 50% of the say in voting.
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RBA Starblade posted:Why wouldn't he be? The chuds will fall in line, as ever. But the people won't.
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An insane mind posted:The only thing the majority Americans have agreed on for the first time in who knows how many years is 'yes we should see witnesses' even 'convict and remove' is over 50% and McConnell is just going to poo poo on that? He can't be half as confident as he's showing. its either a front(he did the same poo poo with healthcare hell circus) which i think it may be, or he is so up his own rear end and full of poo poo.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:57
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An insane mind posted:But the people won't. I bet they will.
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Jan 30, 2020 21:58
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An insane mind posted:The only thing the majority Americans have agreed on for the first time in who knows how many years is 'yes we should see witnesses' even 'convict and remove' is over 50% and McConnell is just going to poo poo on that? He can't be half as confident as he's showing. They passed a tax bill that like 80% of Americans didn't want. It was the most unpopular piece of legislation to ever be signed into law since the advent of modern polling on major piece of legislation I'm pretty sure.
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Taerkar posted:They're strongly relying upon most of that >50% being in the parts of the country that have less than 50% of the say in voting. I can see this point, but that's a very risky bet. I'll just say that I hope justice wins out.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:00
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Rosalind posted:They passed a tax bill that like 80% of Americans didn't want. It was the most unpopular piece of legislation to ever be signed into law since the advent of modern polling on major piece of legislation I'm pretty sure. And didn't they have the shittest repub midterms in a while after?
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Djarum posted:I think his move would be what he was gearing up to do in 2016, claim voter fraud and illegal nonsense. The GOP will claim that the Democratic President is illegal, refuse to engage and obstruct. You will see them switch their views on everything right now instantly. It is so transparent it is hilarious at a certain level. Yeah, the idea that Trump would lose the election and spend his lame duck session just sitting on his hands seem laughable. If he's already lost, he has nothing to lose. Declare the elections suspect. Demand the DOJ intervene and declare the votes invalid. Go to court. Fight. Argue. Obstruct. Delay. Maybe with enough noise, he thinks, I can get a do-over in the election. And he might. Maybe not a Nationwide election, but "darn that Pennsylvania election that decided the race sure was rigged, we'll have to redo that one oh look I won now what a shock". That doesn't seem beyond the realm of plausibility. The DOJ is already a corrupt institution and he literally would have nothing to lose by trying.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:02
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HootTheOwl posted:Why is Jim Jordan getting air time on CSPAN right now? His role is done. He doesn't get to say poo poo now. ON CSPAN, not only do the chud-reps hog the microphone between sessions, but they only answer the chud calls too.
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Djarum posted:I think his move would be what he was gearing up to do in 2016, claim voter fraud and illegal nonsense. The GOP will claim that the Democratic President is illegal, refuse to engage and obstruct. You will see them switch their views on everything right now instantly. It is so transparent it is hilarious at a certain level. He can claim and refuse all he wants. I'm saying that there's no actual mechanism where the executive branch has any actual part in the electoral process. The states vote, the electors send their electoral votes, the SCOTUS swears in as a formality. Once there's 270 electoral votes sent in, it's a done deal, there's nothing to obstruct when it comes to presidential election. The GOP doesn't even have enough control over state governments to obstruct at the state level anymore. Xaiter posted:Yeah, the idea that Trump would lose the election and spend his lame duck session just sitting on his hands seem laughable. The DOJ doesn't have any place to intervene. Once the electoral votes are sent in, it's done. They have no power to enforce any stop to it. They can declare the US government completely dissolved if they want to, but no one has to listen to them. They can even spend the two months investigating, but there's no way for the federal government to actually declare a presidential election invalid. I guess they could "declare" it on TV, but again it doesn't actually mean anything. Xombie fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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gop isn't going to put up much of a fight if trump loses, they already have a recipe that works for them every time a democrat is president, make life miserable for everyone and then blame the democrats, and regain power in the successive midterm/general plus they got a stolen supreme court seat that will last decades they're squeezing every last useable drop out of trump and then in 4-8 years they'll rally around someone who is just as much of a monster but less incompetent
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Jan 30, 2020 22:06
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NewsHour is reporting that Barrasso is flat out saying that they have the votes to block witness.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:07
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its either a front(he did the same poo poo with healthcare hell circus) which i think it may be, or he is so up his own rear end and full of poo poo. I really hope there's another McCain-like gently caress-you to Mitch's face
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DarkHorse posted:I really hope there's another McCain-like gently caress-you to Mitch's face i can see it happening but who knows. either way it hurts the GOP badly.
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Xombie posted:He can claim and refuse all he wants. I'm saying that there's no actual mechanism where the executive branch has any actual part in the electoral process. The states vote, the electors send their electoral votes, the SCOTUS swears in as a formality. Once there's 270 electoral votes sent in, it's a done deal, there's nothing to obstruct when it comes to presidential election. The GOP doesn't even have enough control over state governments to obstruct at the state level anymore. Oh they don't have any way to stop it. It would just be the new excuse to rile up the rubes and to be pieces of poo poo.
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DarkHorse posted:I really hope there's another McCain-like gently caress-you to Mitch's face I doubt Romney has it in him
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Djarum posted:Oh they don't have any way to stop it. It would just be the new excuse to rile up the rubes and to be pieces of poo poo. this. trump will throw a huge hissy fit if he loses and try to get the senate/chuds/whatever to do stuff and than he will slink away on the 20th.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:12
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HootTheOwl posted:I doubt Romney has it in him Romney doesn't appear to be a swing vote anyway.
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To put it another way, if the election happens and Trump loses and tries to remain in office, he will be removed by the secret service unless there is an actual factual coup
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Jan 30, 2020 22:14
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mcmagic posted:Romney doesn't appear to be a swing vote anyway. Manchin? Toomey? Collins? Show me the coward who will now grow a spine?
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Xaiter posted:Yeah, the idea that Trump would lose the election and spend his lame duck session just sitting on his hands seem laughable.
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An insane mind posted:And didn't they have the shittest repub midterms in a while after? And all that got the Democrats is a small majority in one chamber.
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HootTheOwl posted:I doubt Romney has it in him Romney is a piece of poo poo and believes in magic underwear.
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mcmagic posted:For what it's worth I think it's better politically for D's if the Republicans just deny witnesses and acquit him tomorrow. Then they are yoked forever to anything that comes out after the fact and Bolton is going on a loving book tour. Honestly this would be the best outcome, it would get people livid and spike motivation for voter turnout.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:20
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HootTheOwl posted:Manchin? Toomey? Collins? Show me the coward who will now grow a spine? Manchin and Collins will both vote for witnesses and also to acquit. IDK why you think Toomey is getable....
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Romney is a piece of poo poo and believes in magic underwear. If he gets to believe in magic underwear so do I. Mines just blessed by a different sexier god....
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Jan 30, 2020 22:24
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SubG posted:NewsHour is reporting that Barrasso is flat out saying that they have the votes to block witness. Leave it to my rear end in a top hat cousin to break bad news.
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Djarum posted:I think his move would be what he was gearing up to do in 2016, claim voter fraud and illegal nonsense. The GOP will claim that the Democratic President is illegal, refuse to engage and obstruct. You will see them switch their views on everything right now instantly. It is so transparent it is hilarious at a certain level. This. Then we can start working on the corporate hold on our government.
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