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Scooter_McCabe posted:Romney is a piece of poo poo and believes in magic underwear. The magic underwear is like 974th on the list of reasons he's a piece of poo poo.
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I really can't get over how hard they're leaning into this whole `figuring out motives is tricky, therefore it's literally impossible for the President to commit an impeachable offence' thing.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:30
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Maby McSweeney will publish this tomorrow when Trump is acquitted. Probably they won't. So here's my angry bit of creative writing. (To American Pie) American Lie (The Day Democracy Died) A long, long time ago... I can still remember How democracy used to make me smile And I knew if we had a choice Then we could make our nation rejoice And, maybe, we’d be happy for a while But January made me shiver With every vote that Mitch delivered Bad news from the trial; I couldn’t take one more liar I can’t remember if I cried When I heard about Trump’s endless bribes But something touched me deep inside The day our democracy died [Chorus] So bye-bye, you American Lie Took an Uber to the Starbucks, but the Starbucks was dry And them Senate boys were talking bullshit 'n lies Singing, "This’ll be the day democracy dies” "This’ll be the day democracy dies" [Verse 2] Did you tweet another meme And did you have faith in the rule of men If the Constitution told you so? Do you believe in fair elections Can due process save our mortal soul And will the march to fascism begin to slow? Well, I know that Trump’s in love with power `Cause I watched him tweeting every hour Trump's Nazis kicking who they choose Man, they dig those black and blues I was an idealistic progressive man With a Drump Trump Hat and a minivan But I knew I was out of luck The day our democracy died I started singing [Chorus] So bye-bye, you American Lie Took an Uber to the Starbucks, but the Starbucks was dry And them Senate boys were talking bullshit 'n lies Singing, "This’ll be the day democracy dies” "This’ll be the day democracy dies" [Verse 3] Now for three years, we’ve been on our own After hacked emails flowed forth from Roger Stone But that’s not how it used to be When the news told truth to you and me Like they did in Nineteen Seventy-Three With a voice that came from all networks you see Oh, and while Pelosi was showing a serious frown The pussy grabber dressed with a MAGA crown The Senate was adjourned; An acquittal was returned And while Bolton published a book on Trump The Senate put it in the dump And we smoked doobies in the dark The day our democracy died We were singing [Chorus] So bye-bye, you American Lie Took an Uber to the Starbucks, but the Starbucks was dry And them Senate boys were talking bullshit 'n lies Singing, "This’ll be the day democracy dies” "This’ll be the day democracy dies" (Too Painful To Continue This)
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Jan 30, 2020 22:31
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VideoGameVet posted:Maby McSweeney will publish this tomorrow when Trump is acquitted. Probably they won't.  SubG posted:I really can't get over how hard they're leaning into this whole `figuring out motives is tricky, therefore it's literally impossible for the President to commit an impeachable offence' thing. its because its all these ghouls got because a guy who rapes kids doesnt care.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:34
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1222995017561710593 seems like another reasonably smart gambit, since there's nothing to lose on our end
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Jan 30, 2020 22:35
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also https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1222991294492028933 https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1222994252428455940
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i dont know why everyone is spiralling. we all knew this could happen and he was gonna get acquitted either way. alot of GOP senators are loving themselves hard if they do this and alot of them are already under water. https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1222994252428455940 also this.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:38
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This is just Rand's question again LOL
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Jan 30, 2020 22:38
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mcmagic posted:This is just Rand's question again LOL is it from rand?
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Jan 30, 2020 22:39
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Dapper_Swindler posted:is it from rand? Nope. From Ron Johnson and a bunch of other dipshits.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:40
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont know why everyone is spiralling. we all knew this could happen and he was gonna get acquitted either way. alot of GOP senators are loving themselves hard if they do this and alot of them are already under water. It's amazing how absolutely garbage any of the defense's arguments are Just complete nonsensical trash or blatant contradictions, not even trying
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Jan 30, 2020 22:40
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eke out posted:also so if I'm reading this right, Dershowitz argued that things that are beneficial to a president's re-election campaign aren't impeachable if they also happen to be foreign policy, and Philbin countered with saying the things in question weren't foreign policy? 
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Jan 30, 2020 22:40
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Every question from Cruz so far as been the verbal equivalent of a corkboard full of yarn lines.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:41
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TulliusCicero posted:It's amazing how absolutely garbage any of the defense's arguments are They know the fix is in and it doesn't matter. They're just running out the clock.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:41
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oldskool posted:so if I'm reading this right, Dershowitz argued that things that are beneficial to a president's re-election campaign aren't impeachable if they also happen to be foreign policy, and Philbin countered with saying the things in question weren't foreign policy? That's what I'm saying. Is the defense even coordinating their arguments?
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Jan 30, 2020 22:42
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This fucker thinks that outing the whistelblower so that some chuds will hopefully kill him is "not" retaliation.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:43
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There really should be more pushback against the implication that it even loving matters what motivations or conflicts the whistleblower might have had. If someone pulls a fire alarm, the question is whether or not there is in fact a fire. If you find a fire (or credible evidence of one) it doesn't loving matter if the person who pulled the fire alarm had other motives for doing so. Their opinions on the fire, alarms, or the building on fire aren't really relevant. Our reason for installing fire alarms has absolutely nothing to do with these questions, all we care about is whether or not there's a fire. In the case of the whistleblower it makes sense that the IG would review potential biases in evaluating whether the report is credible when it's first received, but we're waaaaaay the gently caress past worrying about whether or not the report is credible and there's no conceivable way in which the identity of the whisleblower is germane to where we are now.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:50
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mcmagic posted:Nope. From Ron Johnson and a bunch of other dipshits. gently caress Johnson. He's one of my senators, so I was listening to his town-hall conference call this morning. He said he'd not bring in witnesses because it would draw out the process and he didn't believe we should even be having a trial. That's when I started throwing poo poo. It was only 5 minutes into the call, too.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:50
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mcmagic posted:Manchin and Collins will both vote for witnesses and also to acquit. IDK why you think Toomey is getable.... I don't. I'm asking who you think the swing vote is.
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Jan 30, 2020 22:54
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HootTheOwl posted:I don't. I'm asking who you think the swing vote is. It looks like it's Murkowski to get to 50-50....
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Jan 30, 2020 22:56
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SubG posted:There really should be more pushback against the implication that it even loving matters what motivations or conflicts the whistleblower might have had. We know this already and it's no point stressing it, if you stress it, they just say "we have to know because our accusation on you is that this was a planned partisan conspiracy and we want to know YOUR motives." It's just a silly reversal that will just keep looping back and forth. Their bigger flaw is not pushing "the President solicited a public ANNOUNCEMENT on a political opponent" as opposed to "solicited dirt." They're falling into a framing trap by not keeping the focus on it being about Trump wanting to broadcast negatives from a foreign country, and the followup questions on "why was that specific thing what Trump wanted instead of an actual investigation?"
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Jan 30, 2020 22:58
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Trump bootlicker wants people to stop assuming he has horrible motives LOL
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Jan 30, 2020 23:06
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Good response from Lofgren. It's encouraging to get not just a straight, but coherent, succinct, and - in my opinion - persuasive answer to a direct challenge.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:09
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mcmagic posted:Trump bootlicker wants people to stop assuming he has horrible motives LOL We can use other words like disgusting or vile if that will make him feel better.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:10
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Romney isn’t as bulletproof in Utah as you guys think he is. I live in Utah and Utah Republicans (mormon and non-mormon) LOVE Trump way more than they love Romney and complain all the time about Romney’s issue with him and they’d gladly replace him when the time comes with some better option. There are a few mormon Democrats too (I’m one) He’s also a coward. At the end of the day he’ll stick with the party because he wants to keep his seat.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:13
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Is it silly for me to look to Todd Young as my bellweather? Staunchly christian (pricipled?) not-entirely-chuddy base, tea party libertarian leaning in origin, likely friendly to Pence (hoosiers all). Two weeks ago, his campaign stated quote:“The far-left has been desperate to get rid of President Trump since day one, and that has been made abundantly clear throughout this process. Now that the articles are being delivered and a trial will be held in the Senate, I will uphold my duty as an impeachment juror and carefully evaluate the legal arguments. I hope this process can be completed quickly so we can get back to the business of Hoosiers and all Americans.” He's done the 'I'm a juror and jurors aren't supposed to talk' thing through most of the process - which is definitely less than Trump was hoping to get out of a senator like this. As my bellweather, I don't see much hope for actual conviction (duh). And I don't follow the senate nearly as closely as many of y'all. Is this utter foolishness, or is there some sense here?
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Jan 30, 2020 23:14
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Cipollone arguing that because Trump cooperated with a previous investigation he can't have obstructed this one. Note: Trump didn't cooperate with the other investigation.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:16
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I find it extremely vexing when questions are posed to the side that clearly isn't the one that should be answering it. Unsurprisingly, of course, this mainly seems to happen when Republicans direct questions at the White House counsel. If you're honestly wondering whether the House managers' standard for impeachment would've sufficed to impeach Obama and/or Bush, ask the flippin' House managers.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:19
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Uh, and they're doing that thing right now. The question says ANNOUNCEMENT and the Republicans defend INVESTIGATION. It's such an annoying trick and hopefully the House response stresses it since they go second.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:21
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GutBomb posted:Romney isn’t as bulletproof in Utah as you guys think he is. I live in Utah and Utah Republicans (mormon and non-mormon) LOVE Trump way more than they love Romney and complain all the time about Romney’s issue with him and they’d gladly replace him when the time comes with some better option.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:27
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Sekulow: “loving warrants, how do they work?”
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Jan 30, 2020 23:40
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lol at Roberts' expression after reading out that question.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:42
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Holy poo poo this question from Warren.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:43
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SubG posted:Holy poo poo this question from Warren. What was it?
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Residency Evil posted:What was it? edit: and Roberts' face was the Platonic ideal of "welp".
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Warren's question was amazing, I burst out laughing when Roberts read it
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Jan 30, 2020 23:46
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Sombrerotron posted:Missed the first bit, but per CNN: "Does the fact that the Chief Justice is presiding over a trial without witnesses diminish trust in the Chief Justice or the Supreme Court?" That was real snarky, I loved it.
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Jan 30, 2020 23:46
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Anything that diminishes the trust in Roberts or the court is great in my book.
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mcmagic posted:Anything that diminishes the trust in Roberts or the court is great in my book. Good thing we’ve got an impeachment trial to lay it out then.
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