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i like to blast 'go on home british soldiers' through my headphones on the tube, with a knowing smile. i'm doing propaganda and they don't even know it  Josef bugman posted:I think it might be a consequence of seeing something you built get used by another faction that you were close with used for some insane horseshit. Mao had the right idea but it was poorly implemented and I will die on this hill
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Daytime tv ads are all 'over 50s funeral plans', just saw a new one. Does 'dad' looking up a cremation in this one remind you of anyone? 
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"Direct Cremation Services" sounds like when you die they send someone round your house with a giant oxy acetyline torch.
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can you still become a ghost if you are cremated?
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm thinking about China now, and oh lord please someone direct me to some good quality non-lib scholarship on the market reform period because every time I think I understand what the CPC are doing I trip over into my own stupid confusion all over again. Like, Deng, the face of the liberalisation of the economy and 'opening up', wasn't a stuffy grey bureaucrat who'd been born into communism (i.e. Gorbachev). He'd was an actual revolutionary during the civil war! He was fighting for a reason. How does someone like that end up doing what he did? I'm sure he'd argue there is a plan here (develop the necessary productive forces to create the necessary abundance for socialism), but surely China is at that point now? Xi is another confusing guy, his background doesn't scream 'crypto-capitalist' to me, he really did put the graft in reading Marxist theory as a youngster and had an almighty struggle getting to where he is with denounced parents getting him constantly rejected from CPC membership. If you like podcasts give David Harvey's Anti-Capitalist Chronicles a go. He regularly talks about China from a scholarly standpoint.
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Ratjaculation posted:can you still become a ghost if you are cremated? yes, you only need your body intact if you want to get into heaven
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Isn't papal doctrine nowadays that you need your body all in the same place, so you can get cremated as long as you keep the ashes together. God know what they think about the rest cos my granny definitley wouldn't fit in the shoebox she's in at the moment.
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Ratjaculation posted:can you still become a ghost if you are cremated? you become a fire ghost, obviously
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ThomasPaine posted:you become a fire ghost, obviously As depicted in the 1984 documentary: "metal gear solid 5"
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't papal doctrine nowadays that you need your body all in the same place, so you can get cremated as long as you keep the ashes together. I dont know, how much space in the human body is taken up by liquids and gases? Maybe a shoebox is reasonable
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't papal doctrine nowadays that you need your body all in the same place, so you can get cremated as long as you keep the ashes together. The hell? So like, if you got blown to bits or eaten by a pack of wolves or something then it's bad luck, off to Limbo for you?
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I'd suggest you probably couldn't fit a whole human skeleton in a shoebox.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I dont know, how much space in the human body is taken up by liquids and gases? Maybe a shoebox is reasonable You need your liquid and gasses too. No exceptions.
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Gort posted:The hell? So like, if you got blown to bits or eaten by a pack of wolves or something then it's bad luck, off to Limbo for you? look if god wanted us to donate organs he would have made them detachable
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Gort posted:The hell? So like, if you got blown to bits or eaten by a pack of wolves or something then it's bad luck, off to Limbo for you? I mean in practice obviously it's not consistent. But as far as I know the catholic church now permits cremation but does not condone the scattering of ashes into bodies of water or in multiple locations, ashes must be interred in a single location. E: https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/10/25/vatican-ashes-must-not-be-scattered-or-kept-at-home/ quote:For most of its 2,000-year history, the Catholic Church only permitted burial, arguing that this best expressed the Christian hope in resurrection. But in 1963, the Vatican explicitly allowed cremation as long as it didn’t suggest a denial of faith about resurrection. Also as a fun note, if I remember right the "congregation for the doctrine of the faith" is the branch of the church that formerly led the roman inquisition 
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Am I the only one who notices the extreme irony of 83 foreign residents* being flown into the country at the governments expense, possibly with an infectious disease, to be looked after by the NHS on loving Brexit day * some of them were presumably on holiday, they're ok
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Miftan posted:You need your liquid and gasses too. No exceptions. I'd rather not spend eternity with all my gases, especially after they've been cooking in a coffin pressure cooker for a week or two. I guess Catholicism isn't for me then.
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ThomasPaine posted:Mao had the right idea but it was poorly implemented and I will die on this hill Nothing that results in the deaths of that many people is able to be brushed off as simply "poorly implemented".
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I'd rather not spend eternity with all my gases, especially after they've been cooking in a coffin pressure cooker for a week or two. I guess Catholicism isn't for me then. You could die beatifically and gain the posthumous superpower of incorruptibility. Which, admittedly, has varying degrees cos some of the supposedly incorruptible saints are in pretty rough nick
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Josef bugman posted:Nothing that results in the deaths of that many people is able to be brushed off as simply "poorly implemented". what if they're all landlords
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OwlFancier posted:"Direct Cremation Services" sounds like when you die they send someone round your house with a giant oxy acetyline torch. What's with the fancy posh way of going out? Post-brexit the best people will get will be a Clockwork Orange tramp tunnel kicking.
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm thinking about China now, and oh lord please someone direct me to some good quality non-lib scholarship on the market reform period because every time I think I understand what the CPC are doing I trip over into my own stupid confusion all over again. Like, Deng, the face of the liberalisation of the economy and 'opening up', wasn't a stuffy grey bureaucrat who'd been born into communism (i.e. Gorbachev). He'd was an actual revolutionary during the civil war! He was fighting for a reason. How does someone like that end up doing what he did? I'm sure he'd argue there is a plan here (develop the necessary productive forces to create the necessary abundance for socialism), but surely China is at that point now? Xi is another confusing guy, his background doesn't scream 'crypto-capitalist' to me, he really did put the graft in reading Marxist theory as a youngster and had an almighty struggle getting to where he is with denounced parents getting him constantly rejected from CPC membership. Deng was a pragmatist who did what was needed to rapidly improve the quality of life of Chinese people and economic output of China. At the time, that was (dios mio) market liberalism. He did this based on his own observations of having been a factory worker in France. It’s important to understand that this came out of several decades of intensely destructive and psychologically damaging chaos; the cultural revolution was so bad, and involved so many people in perpetrating cruelty on their friends, families and neighbours, that an entire genre of literature developed to help people work through the trauma. It’s called scar literature (伤痕文学) and Wikipedia has an article on it. The official line of the CPC right now is that China’s current power required both Mao and Deng, in sequence, to do their thing, and as it goes forward it should continue to balance socialism and markets.
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Direct cremation is where you're still alive for part of it.OwlFancier posted:I mean in practice obviously it's not consistent. But as far as I know the catholic church now permits cremation but does not condone the scattering of ashes into bodies of water or in multiple locations, ashes must be interred in a single location. Also God: Oh no if all the parts aren't in one place then I'll never know who's who, what if I end up with a bunch of extra ear bones. Still less ridiculous than the Anglican God though. God: Creates the Earth and all the Heavens, can raise mountains and rock the walls of cities, part the waters and resurrect the dead. Also God: Needs a special hole to get into His own house during Whitsun, like a cat.  I choose to believe this is where they lower the orange that they actually worship, on some sort of string and pulley, because it's less risible. OwlFancier posted:Also as a fun note, if I remember right the "congregation for the doctrine of the faith" is the branch of the church that formerly led the roman inquisition
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I don't think it's actually because god can't find all the parts but rather that the catholic church has a big sign up saying "NO ANIMISM CLUB" God can find all the parts if he really wanted to but he won't if you don't make the effort to keep them tidy.
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Dabir posted:what if they're all landlords He said people.
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Dabir posted:what if they're all landlords There aren't that many landlords.
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OwlFancier posted:Also as a fun note, if I remember right the "congregation for the doctrine of the faith" is the branch of the church that formerly led the roman inquisition yeah, iirc it's literally just the renamed inquisition. continuing their main job of rooting out heresy. pope benedict used to run them
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Josef bugman posted:There aren't that many landlords. but hypothetically
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Dabir posted:but hypothetically Even then would prefer if forgiveness can be extended to people. After prison etc obviously. In the same way that if/when we have to completely restructure things we can all know both our own faults and try and be better after a period of reflection.
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OwlFancier posted:You could die beatifically and gain the posthumous superpower of incorruptibility. I think you have to be a Level 17 Monk to get that
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I intend to die fat and in a bath of potash so I become an incorruptible soap mummy.
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I'm not sure a full brexit stance would have worked for labour either given the lib dems poaching away the votes, but certainly the pro remain side didn't help much.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:https://twitter.com/MorganPaulett/status/1223246955595419648?s=19 i thought that polls outside of the context of an imminent general election were of limited actual value here is a more complete picture than 2 polls:  I can't really think of any Brexit policy that would have worked for Labour in that election.
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oxford_town posted:i thought that polls outside of the context of an imminent general election were of limited actual value Guillotine all tories would have worked. Especially if they had live demos of the policy.
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Guillotining is continental, the british way is hanging.
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So like, are we actually Brexiting today? For serious it's dropped out of the news so much I have no idea what's going on. I know today is apparently Brexit day, but... did we ever agree a deal? Are we leaving with no deal? Is this some fun with words where we're not actually doing Brexit yet we're just passing some final deadline on being able to revoke it but we still have years of negotiations to go but we'll just call it Brexit done without challenge because the media is so compliant and it'll please the gammons? I remember Bojo talked about having some oven ready deal before the election but did the EU ever agree to it? The only political news I remember from the last two months is a bunch of poo poo about the Labour leadership election and Bojo being on holiday. Did parliament have a vote on that deal? Did the EU agree to it? What is the deal? Genuinely what the gently caress is going on? I'm not being dense or funny here, I have no clue what's going on.
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The government has signed up to a one year transition agreement which basically keeps everything the same until they sort it out. You can, of course, infer their likelihood of sorting it out in a year. If you think this does not reflect what was advertised by the press and the government, that would imply that the british press is useless and complicit in the government's lies, which you wouldn't dream of doing I'm sure.
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Shyrka posted:So like, are we actually Brexiting today? I don't know the answer to all the other questions but it's the latter, at least until 2021. AFAIK the rebate is gone though, or at least reduced, and the UK doesn't get to vote on things anymore. Great success for Big BoJo.
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