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Cool so they're gonna back a truck of money up to Alexander's house and boom, not illegal because they did it to keep trump in office in the public interest. Hilariously awesome how impeaching a corrupt president actually leads to the Senate declaring that any crimes the president does are cool and good since he's what's best for America!
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lol censure would be completely meaningless, trump would ignore it and there would be no recourse whatsoever.
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PepsiOverCoke posted:I dont understand how any rational person can vote no on witnesses and think thats justice. Conservatives aren't rational. I know a few in real life. They're all nuts in some respect or other. oxsnard posted:So does Susan Collins think her "well at least I tried" Gambit is gonna work? Yes. Corey Gardner knows better. Abner Assington posted:The collective goldfish memory of the American electorate combined with the temporal distortion created by the insane frequency of crimes and generally hosed up poo poo the administration does makes me think people will barely remember this come November. Trump won't let them forget. My theories of why Trump is likely to lose re-election: 1) He hasn't won anyone new over who didn't already vote for him in 2016 2) He let Mike Pence's agenda chase away the "Caitlin Jenner vote," i.e. LQBTQ conservatives who thought he was a moderate on their issues 3) Americans only want to think about politics once every four years. Trump forces them to think about politics every drat day, and they hate it. Sub Par posted:The thing that's the most hosed up about Lamar Alexander is he's not even running for reelection. He doesn't even have the fig leaf of being afraid of primary voters to hide behind, he's just a pure "executive beyond the reach of the Senate" coward. I really don't get it. Why even be a Senator if all you want to do is cede power to someone else? It's more than just re-election - it's the risk of being ostracized from their entire social circle as well as their professional network. The GOP is more of a cult now than ever.
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^^ Edit: He's 80 years old. He isn't worried about poo poo and doesn't need to be. He's a fascist and just said it out loud. This isn't an attempt to cover, it's him saying what he really thinks. And it's gross as gently caress. Censure is meaningless just like it was in 1999. Nobody gives a gently caress, it isn't a consequence. Lamar Alexander's statement is so manifestly terrible that the best we can do is hope to make the GOP and everyone associated with them own the gently caress out of it and destroy them in November. That's it, that's the only way there's a win here.
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Jan 31, 2020 06:15
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What are the odds of flipping the Senate in 2020? If trump wins and the gop still have a majority, he's basically untouchable and good lord the poo poo he will do makes me sick to think about
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PepsiOverCoke posted:Lmao no it wont. Republican voters are loving idiots and will turn out no matter what. They have the memory of a goddam goldfish. People who aren't Republicans vote too dingus, Democrats hate Trump and I'll make them more energized to vote against those Senators
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Jan 31, 2020 06:16
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PepsiOverCoke posted:Lmao no it wont. Republican voters are loving idiots and will turn out no matter what. They have the memory of a goddam goldfish. There are less self-described Republicans now than in 2016. That's not nothing.
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Jan 31, 2020 06:16
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I thing now that things are over it's probably a good time to take a break. I'll reopen this in the morning, cheers.
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Lemming posted:People who aren't Republicans vote too dingus, Democrats hate Trump and I'll make them more energized to vote against those Senators LabyaMynora posted:There are less self-described Republicans now than in 2016. That's not nothing. There are less self described Republicans because they are not wanting to be called out for being so, but they still vote. I am willing to bet anyone you talk to in the last year or so, if they "don't want to talk about politics" and aren't pro-Democratic or some other candidate, they are a Republican who doesn't want to get called out for it. Same for Independents. "I don't belong to a party, I'm "above it all" ' is code for "I voted Republican but I don't want to be associated with them because its clearly a problem". Mark my words, win or lose, there will be far more Republican votes than expected in nearly every race because a lot of people are more than willing to subvert American sovereignty if it means they get what they perceive as "wins" for their racism or homophobia or whatever and to maintain a grip on power.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:00
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Wonder if Harvard is getting any poo poo for Dersh making them look bad. Would love to see them get rid of him over this.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:08
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LegionAreI posted:Wonder if Harvard is getting any poo poo for Dersh making them look bad. Would love to see them get rid of him over this. They have a long history of platforming pieces of poo poo. I wouldn't count on it.
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oxsnard posted:lol censure would be completely meaningless, trump would ignore it and there would be no recourse whatsoever. censure is indeed completely meaningless but it's exactly the kind of thing Trump would lose his poo poo over. Also another bludgeon against Republican senators: they won't even vote to say Trump did a dumb thing he shouldn't have.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:39
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LegionAreI posted:Wonder if Harvard is getting any poo poo for Dersh making them look bad. Would love to see them get rid of him over this. they literally didn't get rid of him for raping children, my dude
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Jan 31, 2020 15:42
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sexpig by night posted:they literally didn't get rid of him for raping children, my dude Hey woah we can't know that for sure *hurriedly kicks a pile of epstein cash into bank vault* look it's all under review. We will always strive to be better.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:44
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TGLT posted:Hey woah we can't know that for sure *hurriedly kicks a pile of epstein cash into bank vault* look it's all under review. We will always strive to be better. he kept his underwear on the entire time he was getting a massage while hanging out with the famous pedophile!
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Jan 31, 2020 15:45
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censure is meaningless but it is better than the pure acquittal that allows trump to say "totally exonerated!"
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Jan 31, 2020 15:47
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big trivia FAIL posted:censure is meaningless but it is better than the pure acquittal that allows trump to say "totally exonerated!" trump has been saying totally exonerated for months now long before this even began https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1109918388133023744
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Jan 31, 2020 15:48
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Tatsuta Age posted:trump has been saying totally exonerated for months now long before this even began i mean that was from the Mueller report/testimony which was a complete wet fart
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Jan 31, 2020 15:50
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big trivia FAIL posted:censure is meaningless but it is better than the pure acquittal that allows trump to say "totally exonerated!" Counterpoint: so is his unslakable thirst to never ever be wrong and for 'ratings'. Sure, it's all meaningless, but might as well piss in his Big Mac sauce if he's going to poo poo on the Constitution.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:55
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big trivia FAIL posted:i mean that was from the Mueller report/testimony which was a complete wet fart Yeah, Barr should have been impeached over that. At least I think that's the process, since that's a Senate-confirmed position.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:56
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big trivia FAIL posted:i mean that was from the Mueller report/testimony which was a complete wet fart Yeah but it explicitly said that it did not exonerate him and he's been taking a victory lap on that ever since.
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Jan 31, 2020 16:03
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Trump lives the TV drama life so he commits TV drama crimes, the sort of things that people recognize as being bad because its what the bad guys on those shows do.
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Jan 31, 2020 16:05
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Cactrot posted:Yeah but it explicitly said that it did not exonerate him and he's been taking a victory lap on that ever since. Mueller refused to say "Trump did a bad" and instead kept mealy mouthing "if we could've exonerated him we would've."
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Jan 31, 2020 16:18
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When does murkowski announce her decision (to vote no)?
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Jan 31, 2020 16:29
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Does this start at 1pm again today? And is it 4 hrs of debate?
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so, just to recap you're not allowed to charge a sitting president with a crime or even investigate no sitting president has to turn over anything and, in fact, can brag about not doing so witness intimidation is perfectly fine as is outing whistleblowers jurors don't even have to appear impartial the bar for impeachment is like porn: they'll know it when they see it because it's so hard to tell where it is but they'll let us know trust them. no that's not it. no...no... you can't make a political move during an election year, you must always let the voters decide even if you know it to be true if the facts aren't in evidence you can just say that, then vote to not allow the evidence, and everyone has to be ok with that "you're not so perfect" is an entirely reasonable defense to literally any accusation and ultimate proof of evidence if it is your deeply held belief that you be allowed to do anything you want, or even if you're a little bit grumpy, you can do anything you want at the end of the day the founding fathers wanted the position of president to be all powerful
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Jan 31, 2020 16:52
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sexpig by night posted:he kept his underwear on the entire time he was getting a massage while hanging out with the famous pedophile! a massage from an underage girl.
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Jan 31, 2020 16:54
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LabyaMynora posted:There are less self-described Republicans now than in 2016. That's not nothing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_factor
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Jan 31, 2020 16:57
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This is absolute bullshit; Trump supporters are no longer ashamed to be Trump supporters.
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Jan 31, 2020 16:59
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InsertPotPun posted:so, just to recap *These truisms only apply to Republican Presidents.
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As long as republicans are in power we can never expect them to do the right thing if it means losing even one iota of that power. No matter what the situation they will choose party over country and since their party is controlled by the donors they we can expect that we will never see anything that is in favor of the american people. This whole impeachment debacle just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that republicans cannot be expected to participate in democracy in any sort of respectable fashion yet we have an electorate so poisoned by Fox news that they are seemingly unable to see anything beyond the end of their nose. Is all lost? Should we lose hope? The fact Bernie's campaign has had any traction and he is getting people out to vote that either have never voted or have not voted in years because there was nothing to vote for shows that things may be changing. We may actually see a viable people's party within our lifetime. I'm off the belief that even if Bernie doesn't win we are going to get other progressives to run now that we know that is what the world wants. It is going to take some time to heal because we have all been let down so many times. It is going to be hard to trust again but there is very strong reason to. Just ten years ago we could never have imagined progressives like Lee Carter, and AOC winning any races but they did. The fact that they are taking small dollar donations and getting enough money to run a campaign shows there is support. So I say to you do not lose hope because of this cover up. Now is the time to strike.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:This is absolute bullshit; Trump supporters are no longer ashamed to be Trump supporters. The ones that live in cities around left majorities hide it. They get drunk enough and you'll hear comments about how dumb Dems are and then a half assed attempt to both sides it.
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lol Lamar Alexander's big reward for his vote has so far been two fox guests attacking him for saying he thought it was bad but not impeachable bad, because how dare he say it was bad at all.
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big trivia FAIL posted:Mueller refused to say "Trump did a bad" and instead kept mealy mouthing "if we could've exonerated him we would've." He specifically said that the report does not exonerate him. There’s also a part in there about how evidence was destroyed which made it harder to paint a complete picture In conclusion gently caress Mueller
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ManBoyChef posted:As long as republicans are in power we can never expect them to do the right thing if it means losing even one iota of that power. No matter what the situation they will choose party over country and since their party is controlled by the donors they we can expect that we will never see anything that is in favor of the american people. This whole impeachment debacle just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that republicans cannot be expected to participate in democracy in any sort of respectable fashion yet we have an electorate so poisoned by Fox news that they are seemingly unable to see anything beyond the end of their nose. Is all lost? Should we lose hope? The fact Bernie's campaign has had any traction and he is getting people out to vote that either have never voted or have not voted in years because there was nothing to vote for shows that things may be changing. We may actually see a viable people's party within our lifetime. I'm off the belief that even if Bernie doesn't win we are going to get other progressives to run now that we know that is what the world wants. It is going to take some time to heal because we have all been let down so many times. It is going to be hard to trust again but there is very strong reason to. Just ten years ago we could never have imagined progressives like Lee Carter, and AOC winning any races but they did. The fact that they are taking small dollar donations and getting enough money to run a campaign shows there is support. So I say to you do not lose hope because of this cover up. Now is the time to strike. Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to ManBoyChef for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particularly glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age. What are we made of? Our fathers came across the internet super highways, fought AAtrek, fought edgelords, fought lowtax's spine, fought Dick... remember when Dick Chenney supporters came in here and tried to take over this forum? Well, we didn't give up then, and by gum, we're not going to give up now! There is nothing to say that after November when the senate shifts from R to D that T isn't going to be up to his eyeballs in I and P. That's right Impeachment and Public Hearings. With the additional information coming out, the galvanized left of center voters and the traditional American response to bullshit, getting pissed, drunk and some how doing something constructive. Even if Trump wins, he loses.
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Didn't see this posted. Romney made it official https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1223250036559138817?s=20 It comes down to Murkowski. My money is on no, but if she's a yes, Roberts is tie breaking with a yes
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I'm honestly amazed at y'all that still have hope. Never trust a Republican to do the right thing. Romney and Collins have their hall passes; Murkowski will put us out of our misery shortly.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Don't they need four to vote yes to force a tie? 3 for a tie
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