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PoizenJam posted:I predict it will drag, because hurting Warren/Sanders is in the interest of both party's establishment arms. Wouldn't hurting Warren and Sanders be indirectly helping Biden? Who do they hate more here? Stickman posted:https://twitter.com/lisamurkowski/status/1223317119233941506 "We are sadly at a low point of division in this country. (And it's our fault.)"
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th3t00t posted:Aren’t lawyers bound by ethics laws that make it illegal for them to lie on behalf of their clients? ah you sweet summer child
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Xaiter posted:I want to point this out. Can I have that link
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mcmagic posted:They need to acquit by Tuesday so Dear Leader can have his SOTU victory lap. How convenient that the Iowa primary is Monday. Framboise posted:Wouldn't hurting Warren and Sanders be indirectly helping Biden? Who do they hate more here? Sure. But Sanders polls better against Trump than Biden, and he has more radical ideas that the GOP/Dem establishment might be particularly fearful of given the possibility of a wave election. Besides, the GOP already has their talking points and lines of attack on Biden.
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I sincerely hope that as soon as this trial ends, a new impeachment is sent up. The population wants to hear from witnesses, so it’s clear it has support. I don’t think the Senators remember how 2018 went - it’s going to be a bloodbath. Especially if it’s Bernie, they’re going to get ratfucked the day he’s sworn in.
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Let's not get into weird hypotheticals about how this affects Iowa or who the GOP hates the most in the primary -- you're welcome to talk about that in the primary thread.
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Sorry- there's obviously a bit of overlap between the two so I didn't think it outside the scope of the present thread.
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Stickman posted:https://twitter.com/lisamurkowski/status/1223317119233941506 Scrolled through the comments and didn’t see one response in support of her decision. If only she was up for re-election this year
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th3t00t posted:So Bolton just implicated Cippollone as a co-conspirator in the Ukraine scheme?
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PoizenJam posted:Sorry- there's obviously a bit of overlap between the two so I didn't think it outside the scope of the present thread. No worries, just want to head off the "which primary candidate is better against trump" discussion before it starts.
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Was Murkowski the one who said she's voting in favor of Kavanaugh to help women feel safe or something gaslighty like that? I was fully expecting whoever that was to go 'we need to bring the president to task for his corruption, and to do that we need to hear from all those present for his actions. as such I'm voting against allowing witnesses and furthermore to make Trump God Emperor of Earth forever'
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Was Murkowski the one who said she's voting in favor of Kavanaugh to help women feel safe or something gaslighty like that? I was fully expecting whoever that was to go 'we need to bring the president to task for his corruption, and to do that we need to hear from all those present for his actions. as such I'm voting against allowing witnesses and furthermore to make Trump God Emperor of Earth forever' Murkowski voted against Kavanaugh.
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Was Murkowski the one who said she's voting in favor of Kavanaugh to help women feel safe or something gaslighty like that? I was fully expecting whoever that was to go 'we need to bring the president to task for his corruption, and to do that we need to hear from all those present for his actions. as such I'm voting against allowing witnesses and furthermore to make Trump God Emperor of Earth forever' That was Collins want it?
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It's mindblowing that the guy who finally slid the US into dictatorship was that guy people have been making fun of since the 80's for being a ridiculous blowhard.
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Djarum posted:It comes down to a couple of things, first off the Trump team and in turn the GOP know much of what Bolton is going say and it will not be good for any of them. For example him being questioned about things and him saying to Cipollone that he knows because he was there as well. The next big thing is it would open up the need to question other people; Pompeo, Mulvaney, Barr, etc. Trump would either continue his obstruction with the Senate or they would come and testify which if they tell the truth it can be damning if they lie enough people have testified otherwise that they would be caught in perjury. they shouldnt even show up including pelosi
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If they don't boycott the SOTU, they're feckless cowards (hint: they'll all show up)
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mcmagic posted:Murkowski voted against Kavanaugh. Looking it up, I think I was thinking of Collins.
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Kloaked00 posted:Scrolled through the comments and didn’t see one response in support of her decision. If only she was up for re-election this year Unfortunately, Alaska has always been a divided bathtub curve of nutbars and it's worse now that ever (I say this lovingly about my home state). I'm not really holding out hope that she couldn't pass the election threshold regardless of what she does. Alaska's other Senate seat went from a Democrat to an establishment Republican (who had barely ever lived in the state!) by 2%.
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Stickman posted:Unfortunately, Alaska has always been a divided bathtub curve of nutbars and it's worse now that ever, and I say this lovingly about my home state. I'm not really holding out hope that she couldn't pass the election threshold regardless of what she does. Alaska's other Senate seat went from a Democrat to an establishment Republican (who had barely ever lived in the state!) by 2%. and, unfortunately, Murkowski was the one who lost her primary then somehow won a Senate seat through write-ins, which makes her as close to invincible as i can imagine the big targets are Collins, Gardner, Tillis, McSally, and the two Georgia seats, in roughly that order I think
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Since the Republican argument is that the President is above reproach, cannot break any laws since they are not beholden to them so long as they benefit US policy; Why aren't the Democrats mentioning the next Democratic president arresting or drone striking all Republican senators and presidential hopefuls for the sake of national security?
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th3t00t posted:
I mean, aside from the obvious 'lol lawyers am I right' jokes, this would be a very bad thing if it was true
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Ringo Star Get posted:I sincerely hope that as soon as this trial ends, a new impeachment is sent up. The population wants to hear from witnesses, so it’s clear it has support. I'm fairly confident that would make a bunch of "seinsible" "fair-minded" "moderates" mad at Democrats, so it won't happen. The House should absolutely continue having hearings, though, but they won't move the needle much unless they get Bolton to testify, in which case they might.
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DandyLion posted:Since the Republican argument is that the President is above reproach, cannot break any laws since they are not beholden to them so long as they benefit US policy; Why aren't the Democrats mentioning the next Democratic president arresting or drone striking all Republican senators and presidential hopefuls for the sake of national security? Because if a D president started doing that their party and their voters would turn on them in 3 seconds. If a R president did that, their party and voters would hold drone watching parties.
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, aside from the obvious 'lol lawyers am I right' jokes, this would be a very bad thing if it was true yeah lawyers are "bound" by ethics rules not laws and, the more famous and politically connected you are, the more likely they are to effectively be a joke (see: Dershowitz, Alan) traditionally, the two rules that Actually Matter are (1) don't sleep with your clients and (2) don't co-mingle funds. everything else is pretty debateable eke out fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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mcmagic posted:Because if a D president started doing that their party and their voters would turn on them in 3 seconds. If a R president did that, their party and voters would hold drone watching parties. Not before a Republicanless Senate rams through a 300% Liberal court packing!
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eke out posted:and, unfortunately, Murkowski was the one who lost her primary then somehow won a Senate seat through write-ins, which makes her as close to invincible as i can imagine Yeah winning a statewide write-in campaign with a name like "Murkowski" means you're gonna die in office.
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Jaxyon posted:It's mindblowing that the guy who finally slid the US into dictatorship was that guy people have been making fun of since the 80's for being a ridiculous blowhard. The people behind The Apprentice have much to answer for.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Until we find out a year from now that thr election was super hosed with, but oops, is it REALLY in our best interest to remove him from office? Oh darn...if only there was SOMETHING we could do..... This is the scariest part. There's no constitutional remedy remaining now for a blatantly stolen election / suspension of elections altogether. All that remains is the streets.
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Jaxyon posted:It's mindblowing that the guy who finally slid the US into dictatorship was that guy people have been making fun of since the 80's for being a ridiculous blowhard. it whips so much rear end that the dude who for literal decades has been a GLOBAL joke about being a dumb blowhard loser is the guy who made america's fascism overt.
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this is frustrating with so much gaslighting. The republicans were given every option to call witnesses and they chose to try to break the whistleblower protections. This is hosed. The worst part in all of this is that they will never be held accountable for their lies. The callers are so freaking stupid. There is no helping them.
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ManBoyChef posted:this is frustrating with so much gaslighting. The republicans were given every option to call witnesses and they chose to try to break the whistleblower protections. This is hosed. The worst part in all of this is that they will never be held accountable for their lies. My dude, remember that C-SPAN callers are all super old out of work people who eat up every lie Fox news throws out. They aren't a good representation of the vast majority of America so don't let their stupidity get you down.
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ManBoyChef posted:The callers are so freaking stupid. There is no helping them. LOL I was listening to the NPR piece on Iowa voters going into work.
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I love the Rubio excuse. “Yes he did it and it’s impeachable but not removable.” The ultimate hedge against criticisms from hellworld a few years down the line.
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Wang posted:My dude, remember that C-SPAN callers are all super old out of work people who eat up every lie Fox news throws out. They aren't a good representation of the vast majority of America so don't let their stupidity get you down. Given the number of "life-long Democrats" who have been calling in defending Trump, I don't think they're random crazy people.
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th3t00t posted:So Bolton just implicated Cippollone as a co-conspirator in the Ukraine scheme? What is “known” to be a lie is defined very narrowly in this context which is why lawyers say false poo poo all the time.
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Deteriorata posted:Given the number of "life-long Democrats" who have been calling in defending Trump, I don't think they're random crazy people. They're so old that they were democrats when the parties used to be the opposite of what they are today.
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Wang posted:They're so old that they were democrats when the parties used to be the opposite of what they are today. They're deliberate plants spreading Republican propaganda.
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ManBoyChef posted:this is frustrating with so much gaslighting. The republicans were given every option to call witnesses and they chose to try to break the whistleblower protections. This is hosed. The worst part in all of this is that they will never be held accountable for their lies. they may. its called getting loving destroyed in November.
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