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Dapper_Swindler posted:well judging by the various elections the least 3 years. they havent been doing it well. They've been doing it EXTREMELY well, voters just hate them enough to (mostly) overcome it
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Dapper_Swindler posted:lol. one of the better side effects is the base is gonna loving go nuts on anyone who doesnt blow trump and talk about how the call was perfect even though they saved his fat rear end. Romney’s pretty safe, though. Utah chuds aren’t the same as non-Utah chuds. Sure, he may get some sternly worded emails and tweets, but he’s not gonna get Eric Cantored.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1223351951963967488 I have never wanted a meteor to fall and crush your soft lovely body more than I do now, Donny boy. You smug loving piece of human waste. That's actually a lie though, I'll want it more after the SOTU.
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Xaiter posted:The Senate essentially ensures they only need to hold about 10-20% of the population to maintain universal veto power over nearly all legislative function. Even if they were somehow squirreled away into electoral irrelevance in Presidential and House elections, the Senate ensures they can block nearly every legislative function with minimal representation. We've seen how effective this can be, if we look to 2009 through 2016 for an example. The easiest way to end that would be to get a 51 seat majority, vote in Puerto Rico, Washington DC and the Virgin Islands to have representation. Honestly I will be amazed if PR doesn't become a state in the next 10-15 years after the last 3 years.
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generic one posted:Romney’s pretty safe, though. Utah chuds aren’t the same as non-Utah chuds. Sure, he may get some sternly worded emails and tweets, but he’s not gonna get Eric Cantored. Yeah, CPAC disinviting Romney isn’t going to lose him the Utah Mormon vote.
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Xaiter posted:The Senate essentially ensures they only need to hold about 10-20% of the population to maintain universal veto power over nearly all legislative function. Even if they were somehow squirreled away into electoral irrelevance in Presidential and House elections, the Senate ensures they can block nearly every legislative function with minimal representation. We've seen how effective this can be, if we look to 2009 through 2016 for an example. Edit: of the 10 smallest states by population, 5 of them contribute 10 Senators who caucus with the Democratic party (Vermont, Delaware, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and Hawaii). Maine and West Virginia contribute 1 more each. That's 25% of the Democratic caucus in the Senate. Edit edit: to be clear, the Senate is an anti-democratic relic that should have been reformed or abolished after the Civil War. Tibalt fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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gently caress Alan Dershowitz. His name should go down in infamy.
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Retro42 posted:What are the odds McConnell is delaying the vote until after the SOTU to prevent Trump from going full evil villain monologue during it? I hope he dies during it and makes the trial even more of a sham.
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Tibalt posted:Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and arguably Maine aren't really getting on the GOPs bullshit though. Yeah, obviously. That's where the 20% ceiling comes in. They're state wide elections, and they only need to win 50% +1 vote in these seats. So our set of states actually includes ~40% of the nation's total population. Which... yeah, suddenly, this is pretty plausible. That means literally 80% of the nation could want to do something and still be blocked. The fact this is even mathematically possible is a sign of horribly loving flawed the Senate is.
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Retro42 posted:Yeah, CPAC disinviting Romney isn’t going to lose him the Utah Mormon vote. It’s the Collins vote I don’t get. She’s loving desperate, obviously, but she’s already unpopular enough. She probably should’ve just gone all in on the Trump train. I don’t think she’s gonna improve with Dems/independents just because of this vote, and she probably just split her republican base support.
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Retro42 posted:What are the odds McConnell is delaying the vote until after the SOTU to prevent Trump from going full evil villain monologue during it? Why would he? He's obviously pro-God-King-Dictator Trump. The thought of Trump owning the dems in his biggest speech of the year is probably more effective for him than a whole bottle of Viagra.
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Retro42 posted:What are the odds McConnell is delaying the vote until after the SOTU to prevent Trump from going full evil villain monologue during it? And Mitch probably isn't feeling particularly generous toward the WH anyway because a) he has had to deal with all this poo poo, and b) he apparently got blindsided by the Bolton poo poo because the WH didn't mention anything about the book that they'd apparently had for a couple weeks.
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Hey guys. Not to be all "foreign observer what's going on" and all but my buddies and myself up here in Canada are wondering why there aren't mass protests. You think autocracy would bring people out on the street and all. I know it's easy to say "why aren't you doing (x)" from for away but it would be nice to see some mass protests or something.
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SubG posted:Roberts arguing he can't break ties! Nice job at dirtying him up in all this.
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Madkal posted:Hey guys. Not to be all "foreign observer what's going on" and all but my buddies and myself up here in Canada are wondering why there aren't mass protests. You think autocracy would bring people out on the street and all. If we protest, we lose our jobs and our health insurance and then die when we can't afford basic human necessities like food, shelter, and medicine.
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Madkal posted:Hey guys. Not to be all "foreign observer what's going on" and all but my buddies and myself up here in Canada are wondering why there aren't mass protests. You think autocracy would bring people out on the street and all. There has been mass protests pretty consistently nearly Trump's entire presidency. They mean nothing and are mostly unreported or under-reported except for how they effect traffic and whatnot.
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Madkal posted:Hey guys. Not to be all "foreign observer what's going on" and all but my buddies and myself up here in Canada are wondering why there aren't mass protests. You think autocracy would bring people out on the street and all. I don't think most people understand the full implication of Dershowitz's argument yet. Also QuantumNinja posted:If we protest, we lose our jobs and our health insurance and then die when we can't afford basic human necessities like food, shelter, and medicine. and Djarum posted:There has been mass protests pretty consistently nearly Trump's entire presidency. They mean nothing and are mostly unreported or under-reported except for how they effect traffic and whatnot.
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Madkal posted:Hey guys. Not to be all "foreign observer what's going on" and all but my buddies and myself up here in Canada are wondering why there aren't mass protests. You think autocracy would bring people out on the street and all. Also from Canada and I want them to do something, the corruption is revolting from an outsider's perspective.
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Djarum posted:There has been mass protests pretty consistently nearly Trump's entire presidency. They mean nothing and are mostly unreported or under-reported except for how they effect traffic and whatnot. Then do... Something new?
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MonsterEnvy posted:I hope he dies during it and makes the trial even more of a sham. If it makes you feel better McConnell will probably die within the next ten years max, dude is a walking cadaver
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Then do... Something new? Riots, bombings and assassinations? I mean that is ultimately what happened in the 60s.
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SubG posted:Roberts arguing he can't break ties! Haha, what? They stopped him from needing to fall on his sword, why is he doing it anyway?
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Djarum posted:Riots, bombings and assassinations? I mean that is ultimately what happened in the 60s. Not really new though is it. Look its not my country, if it was then it would be on me to think of a way to sort it out. General strike is the only I think. Foul Ole Ron fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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The Anti-Iraq War protests of 2003 followed by Bush’s re-election largely proved to leaders that protests don’t actually mean anything about voting trends. There have been protests roughly every month, with really big protests like the women’s march and the anti-racist marches every three months, and the news media doesn’t care and the politicians don’t care. Also, the GOP has largely stopped interacting with the public in anything other than carefully controlled environments where they can be assured of friendly questions. If you have any thoughts other than violence or “DO SOMETHING” then I’m all ears. Edit: oh, sure, general strike, the thing that gets trotted out every time as if there was a significant union-based infrastructure in this country rather than right-to-work laws allowing middle-management chuds to fire everyone at will, sure we’ll get right on that skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Well, looks like Mitt's hall pass has officially expired or he's seen the reaction to his vote and is scared so he's siding with the Republicans on Schumer's amendements. Someone probably threatened backing McMuffin in 2024.
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You are exerting political authority, you're using force! And force my friends is violence, the supreme authority from which all others is derived. The sad thing is that the satirical federation from Starship Troopers is still more functional than whatever madness you have going on in the USA.
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skeleton warrior posted:The Anti-Iraq War protests of 2003 followed by Bush’s re-election largely proved to leaders that protests don’t actually mean anything about voting trends. There have been protests roughly every month, with really big protests like the women’s march and the anti-racist marches every three months, and the news media doesn’t care and the politicians don’t care. Also, the GOP has largely stopped interacting with the public in anything other than carefully controlled environments where they can be assured of friendly questions. Djarum posted:Riots, bombings and assassinations? I mean that is ultimately what happened in the 60s. Yeah, I don't think killing anybody is going to make things better. And we really shouldn't be encouraging it.
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skeleton warrior posted:
Ha good man, giving up already. I love the attitude, "what do you expect us to do". Tbh nothing, I'm sorry you have lost your liberty and rights. I'm sorry your laws mean nothing. I'm sorry none of you can think of some new way to help you out of this situation.
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Ha good man, giving up already. I love the attitude, "what do you expect us to do". Appreciate you coming in to specifically go 🤔 “have you thought about maybe... doing something?????”, that was certainly helpful and the sign of someone who gives a poo poo
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Ha good man, giving up already. I love the attitude, "what do you expect us to do". This is histrionic, but it's hard not to see this as the beginning of a long slow slide into serious violence.
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skeleton warrior posted:Appreciate you coming in to specifically go 🤔 “have you thought about maybe... doing something?????”, that was certainly helpful and the sign of someone who gives a poo poo Ok. Life adapts. In biology life adapts to new situations or it dies. The bodie's immune system is a good example, you adpts and kills the virus or you don't and die. Sorry I can't give you specific details on how you save yourselves, but again all I can advise is come up with something new and fast. Like there has to be some way of protesting, or doing something?! Literly anything the stops business as usual in a new way is worth trying.
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Ha good man, giving up already. I love the attitude, "what do you expect us to do". Friendly reminder that the general response most goons gave out in regards to doing something and activism was basically that you should go out and do poo poo that wouldn't be an inconvenience for said protester. That being said there are/were several goons who actually where doing good poo poo, but just never posted about it. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Willo567 posted:Yeah, I don't think killing anybody is going to make things better. And we really shouldn't be encouraging it. Oh I am not. I am just saying this is what happened before. Personally we should work at going out in places where people are being left behind, bringing those people to register to vote and then on election day physically driving them to the polling place. Getting a group together that does this will likely effect the election more than anything else. Hell even just getting 3 or 4 of your lazy friends to get off their rear end and vote will do more.
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Telsa Cola posted:Friendly reminder that the general response most goons gave out in regards to doing something and activism was basically that you should go out and do poo poo that wouldn't be an inconvenience. Gwrnally curious about this, what the point in try standard means if the system has already adapted to them? Edit :I am not supporting violance in anyway.
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Gwrnally curious about this, what the point in try standard means if the system has already adapted to them? The phrasing in my post was confusing and its hopefully fixed. I meant that the gist of the advice most goons gave was only protest if its extremely convenient for you, the protester.
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