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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Victory Position posted:

over the last four years, how many times would you say you have posted about Cum Town

a) not at all b) once or twice c) half of my post history is about Cum Town

:justpost:

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Its Chocolate posted:

radlibs want to problematize the very concept of beauty

having standards is fascism (except when I do it)

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019
gonna rant a little here but I really, really hate how radlibs refuse to recognize that being attractive is a form of privilege because they don't think objective attractiveness is real. it's exactly the same as going "I don't see color" as a response to racism

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
Today's Chapo was weirdly sweet and invigorating at the same time.

I think they're definitely discounting the danger of Biden and overselling Bloomberg a bit but I appreciate a little optimism from the boys.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Its Chocolate posted:

gonna rant a little here but I really, really hate how radlibs refuse to recognize that being attractive is a form of privilege because they don't think objective attractiveness is real. it's exactly the same as going "I don't see color" as a response to racism

the problem with 'attractiveness' is that: a) complaining about it makes you look like a weirdo incel, b) you want to pretend to be smart enlightened phd transcending-the-physicality smartboy who proudly proclaims "they're only attracted to big brains, i don't see the body!", c) being part of the upper class generally translates to attractiveness in that if your family could afford to give top line dental work 24/7 with white bleached teeth, expensive braces, fillings, etc that is a tremendous boon (given most people don't have dental insurance and it's expensive af) and that having access to private chefs and private-family sports and medicine practitioners and things help (ofc that's no guarantee either like the wyatt koch bro is ugly as poo poo, genetic lottery is still there), and d) it's still no guarantee that it matters to a significant degree in society, like being white male attractive helps a lot more than being non-white attractive, but again that ties back into sexism, racism and wealth with old-boys club and media reflecting its own white agenda.

it's a weird and counter-productive thing to recognize, and it's far more important to focus on class. kinda why idpol is loving stupid to begin with, but just backwards.

Siljmonster
Dec 16, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Sapiosexuals are loving stupid

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

plus they're so annoying, every one i meet one they're instantly horny and then I lose the next six hours to loving their brains in

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019

Xaris posted:

the problem with 'attractiveness' is that: a) complaining about it makes you look like a weirdo incel, b) you want to pretend to be smart enlightened phd transcending-the-physicality smartboy who proudly proclaims "they're only attracted to big brains, i don't see the body!", c) being part of the upper class generally translates to attractiveness in that if your family could afford to give top line dental work 24/7 with white bleached teeth, expensive braces, fillings, etc that is a tremendous boon (given most people don't have dental insurance and it's expensive af) and that having access to private chefs and private-family sports and medicine practitioners and things help (ofc that's no guarantee either like the wyatt koch bro is ugly as poo poo, genetic lottery is still there), and d) it's still no guarantee that it matters to a significant degree in society, like being white male attractive helps a lot more than being non-white attractive, but again that ties back into sexism, racism and wealth with old-boys club and media reflecting its own white agenda.

it's a weird and counter-productive thing to recognize, and it's far more important to focus on class. kinda why idpol is loving stupid to begin with, but just backwards.

it still makes your life way easier in ways you probably don't even recognize and correlates with important life outcomes, just like being white. and yeah class is more important but that's true compared to any identity thing

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019
what annoys me is really just the hypocrisy though. I'm autistic so lack of consistency gets me. which makes trying to engage with politics and ideology in general almost unbearable but woke stuff is particularly bad about self-contradiction

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

things really started connecting for me once I realized that everyone around me is incapable of internal logical consistency* and that no matter how much I think and think and think it will never make up for my lack of charisma when it comes to influencing others to do what I think is correct. It sucks, but I miss like 7/10 of all social cues and I'm not willing to gamify my interpersonal relationships enough to handle that.


* neither am I of course, but luckily I can't/don't see it unless I look for it

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Its Chocolate posted:

it still makes your life way easier in ways you probably don't even recognize and correlates with important life outcomes, just like being white. and yeah class is more important but that's true compared to any identity thing

of course, I don’t think anyone would disagree. it’s just in terms of importance it’s not even worth bringing up except as a purely academic exercise, although I do like dunking on woke neo libs. like say it adds +19.5%; class adds +3842% and being white male adds +359%; that sort of thing makes it irrelevant and comes off as well...

interesting, and maybe it says more about me than I’d like, is that my initial reaction to even having you mention it in the first place was an unironic snarky “lmao look at this uggo goon whose mad n jelly that cool and attractive people are being successful+getting laid , go lift some weights” even though I’m not one to snark and if you had mentioned rich instead I wouldn’t ever think “lmao look at this poor being mad rich exist”

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
it just occurred to me that one reason why the chapo boys are leaning so hard into bullying hillary stans is they were probably posting on the forums in 2008 and remember hillaryis44.org

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it just occurred to me that one reason why the chapo boys are leaning so hard into bullying hillary stans is they were probably posting on the forums in 2008 and remember hillaryis44.org
FYI hillaryis44 was pro-Trump in 2016.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Finicums Wake posted:

there is no letter between b and c

right?

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it just occurred to me that one reason why the chapo boys are leaning so hard into bullying hillary stans is they were probably posting on the forums in 2008 and remember hillaryis44.org

only Virgil was posting on the forums at that time

I will ignore every PM until the end of time

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
does any body know what this is from

https://twitter.com/mashcore4mums/status/1222274948602978307

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

cancel culture ruining that most basic of human rights, the right to say lovely things and still be famous on twitter.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


buddy, if that's the Peter Coffin poo poo you're linking,

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Peter Coffin's big rant re: Joe Rogan was probably far more damning on Joe Rogan watchers with him basing them entirely on the shifty things he was condemned for in the first place.

Kunster has issued a correction as of 14:01 on Feb 1, 2020

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Xaris posted:

of course, I don’t think anyone would disagree. it’s just in terms of importance it’s not even worth bringing up except as a purely academic exercise, although I do like dunking on woke neo libs. like say it adds +19.5%; class adds +3842% and being white male adds +359%; that sort of thing makes it irrelevant and comes off as well...

interesting, and maybe it says more about me than I’d like, is that my initial reaction to even having you mention it in the first place was an unironic snarky “lmao look at this uggo goon whose mad n jelly that cool and attractive people are being successful+getting laid , go lift some weights” even though I’m not one to snark and if you had mentioned rich instead I wouldn’t ever think “lmao look at this poor being mad rich exist”

Because the smart thing to do is to realise that it's pretty easy to gently caress up being physically unattractive while plenty of ways to work around it, while the whole thing about having money is that it makes your failures not matter at all while not having money means you can be hosed over fatally at any time no matter what you do

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Victory Position posted:

buddy, if that's the Peter Coffin poo poo you're linking,

i don't know who that is

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Because the smart thing to do is to realise that it's pretty easy to gently caress up being physically unattractive while plenty of ways to work around it, while the whole thing about having money is that it makes your failures not matter at all while not having money means you can be hosed over fatally at any time no matter what you do

There's like also a side on this on which you have initially not very bodily active comedic actors having outright huge transformations of getting jacked up to hell for movie roles and elaborating on Instagram that yes they required an absurd investment of both money and lifestyle to get to that point and some twitter person summing that up with "Yes, there's a certain level of able and monetary privilege to get to that point, specially at that starting point" only to get jumped on by dipshits screaming on how much this harms the left and reposting the exact same posts they were quoting as these huge owns.

And another side on which you do have bodybuilders that go on anti-M4A and anti-welfare tirades to sell supplements and the like being passed as wisdom for the proles rather than self-admitted advertisements.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

what did the tweet from the deleted account actually say? i can't find any screengrabs

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

"So democratic socialism requires body fascism. Cool." , quoting a bunch of people on the Hot Guys for Bernie Hashtag.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
wokelibs literally become dumber than the alt-right strawmen of them

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Its Chocolate posted:

what annoys me is really just the hypocrisy though. I'm autistic so lack of consistency gets me. which makes trying to engage with politics and ideology in general almost unbearable but woke stuff is particularly bad about self-contradiction

Same. Like a lot of woke poo poo was just seems to me to be people trying to cover for their faults.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Ghost Leviathan posted:

wokelibs literally become dumber than the alt-right strawmen of them

Really. After the revolution it isn’t just the alt right that will get re-educated.


Peter Coffin is pretty much like Thought Slime right? A whiny fat lib who claims to be a communist?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Ghost Leviathan posted:

wokelibs literally become dumber than the alt-right strawmen of them

body fascism isn't a wokelib thing, it's been an unfuckable gay guy thing for years

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Gripweed posted:

body fascism isn't a wokelib thing, it's been an unfuckable gay guy thing for years

Wasn’t Dan Savage described as a body fascist?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Crowsbeak posted:

Wasn’t Dan Savage described as a body fascist?

I don't know but it certainly sounds right. Although Dan Savage sucks so I'm not gonna defend him if he was

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019

Xaris posted:

interesting, and maybe it says more about me than I’d like, is that my initial reaction to even having you mention it in the first place was an unironic snarky “lmao look at this uggo goon whose mad n jelly that cool and attractive people are being successful+getting laid , go lift some weights” even though I’m not one to snark and if you had mentioned rich instead I wouldn’t ever think “lmao look at this poor being mad rich exist”

yeah there are definitely unrealistic, dismissive bootstrap advisements for being ugly just like for being poor. and I'm not mad that people are more attractive than me, I'm glad they are, or the world would be a grim place to live

Ghost Leviathan posted:

wokelibs literally become dumber than the alt-right strawmen of them

this is really true. alt-right people just know a few common or famous facets, like believing there are 20 genders with their own pronouns or straight white males insulting people for being straight white males. but I've gone really deep in ultrawoke stuff since way back in 2011 and there's more doublethink, delusions and power games/word games than the Pepes could ever dream of

THS
Sep 15, 2017

im hot

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019

T-man posted:

things really started connecting for me once I realized that everyone around me is incapable of internal logical consistency* and that no matter how much I think and think and think it will never make up for my lack of charisma when it comes to influencing others to do what I think is correct. It sucks, but I miss like 7/10 of all social cues and I'm not willing to gamify my interpersonal relationships enough to handle that.


* neither am I of course, but luckily I can't/don't see it unless I look for it

if it makes you feel any better it's incredibly rare for people to significantly change their minds politically just by hearing from one person. the amount of charisma required for that is like demagogue/cult leader level. we have too much mental investment in our existing narratives to just abandon them willy-nilly

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

Its Chocolate posted:

if it makes you feel any better it's incredibly rare for people to significantly change their minds politically just by hearing from one person. the amount of charisma required for that is like demagogue/cult leader level. we have too much mental investment in our existing narratives to just abandon them willy-nilly

Eh, it depends; if the person is genuinely open-minded, and by that I mean that the person probably have not thought about politics all that much, is confused by it, or is seeking answers but has not made up their mind all it really takes could be to see one person they respect express their political views. There are a lot of people out there primed for a socialist message who's main obstacle to embracing socialism is never actually having been exposed to a narrative other than liberal head-in-the-sand point scoring and far-right YouTube demagoguery.

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019

thotsky posted:

Eh, it depends; if the person is genuinely open-minded, and by that I mean that the person probably have not thought about politics all that much, is confused by it, or is seeking answers but has not made up their mind all it really takes could be to see one person they respect express their political views. There are a lot of people out there primed for a socialist message who's main obstacle to embracing socialism is never actually having been exposed to a narrative other than liberal head-in-the-sand point scoring and far-right YouTube demagoguery.

okay that's true. I was more talking about people who already have a well-developed ideology

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

THS posted:

im hot

i have thicc privilege

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Crowsbeak posted:

Wasn’t Dan Savage described as a body fascist?

Dan Savage would have you ripped apart by rabid dogs if you so happen to be less than a nine of ten

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Crowsbeak posted:


Peter Coffin is pretty much like Thought Slime right? A whiny fat lib who claims to be a communist?

Did I miss the part in the manifesto where literally everyone but you is liberal's, I swear you sound like that one drunk duck edit sometimes.

Also I wish I was a cult leader, change cult culture from the inside. If Scientology gave it's money to the poor it'd be the best redistribution program.

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019

Crowsbeak posted:

Really. After the revolution it isn’t just the alt right that will get re-educated.


Peter Coffin is pretty much like Thought Slime right? A whiny fat lib who claims to be a communist?

no he is unambiguously a socialist

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Its Chocolate posted:

no he is unambiguously a socialist

Alright. I get all of bread tube confused only three I can pin down is Contra I know she is more of a radlib and dem socialism for first timers. And Hbomb sucks in politics but great for video game commentary. Plus Democratic Marxist. Semi critical of Soviet Union but a unabashed Socialist.

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