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sinky posted:Only took 12 hours for the shine to come off this Brexit thing So, the GFA is broken and the Troubles are coming back. E: 4 is my pick in the sweep for "number of days until the next IRA bombing on the mainland".
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Thanks, I literally yelled out "no" in horror watching this.
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Jedit posted:So, the GFA is broken and the Troubles are coming back. It won't be the IRA doing it this time around. It will be the unionist UVF who will kick it off. If Boris continues with the 'no checks needed, oh no, blimey, NI will need no extra red tape' and then throws NI under the bus at the last second and tell them there will be more red tape, this will disenfranchise the loyalists, not the IRA.
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Feb 1, 2020 15:36
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I'll be going to see RLB in Bristol this afternoon, and may drop by to meet angry drunk Emily Thornberry in Bath afterwards.
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Feb 1, 2020 15:37
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Unionists declaring war on the british government is an incredibly weird idea.
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Feb 1, 2020 15:38
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happyhippy posted:It won't be the IRA doing it this time around. The IRA will probably start getting fighty as the calls for Irish reunification start getting louder (and the British government refuses), though.
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Feb 1, 2020 15:39
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Darth Walrus posted:The IRA will probably start getting fighty as the calls for Irish reunification start getting louder (and the British government refuses), though. But if they are smart (unlikely I know) they would hunker down, and let the UK destroy itself with Brexit and such. Don't need to risk trying to get a bomb to a UK town center, when a new 'trade' deal will destroy it for you.
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happyhippy posted:But if they are smart (unlikely I know) they would hunker down, and let the UK destroy itself with Brexit and such. The catch with that idea is that the British government will be funnelling as much of the misery as possible onto people who aren't part of their base and have weak democratic representation in Westminster. Like Northern Ireland, and especially Irish Catholic communities. Brexit will hit the IRA's base first and hardest.
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This should be put in the op. e - By the way why are all my gifs loving massive? Have I done some thing dumb? https://i.imgur.com/IgfHPGL.gifv Jippa fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Feb 1, 2020 16:16
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:why're you reporting us? no rules on respecting brexit here, I checked
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It's amazing seeing the pictures of Brits celebrating that UK is now paying the EU to follow EU's laws and regulations, but without having a say when said laws and regulations are decided. I mean, I knew you really enjoyed the idea of taxation without representation, but still...
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Feb 1, 2020 16:29
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happyhippy posted:If Boris continues with the 'no checks needed, oh no, blimey, NI will need no extra red tape' and then throws NI under the bus at the last second and tell them there will be more red tape, this will disenfranchise the loyalists, not the IRA. he already did, peep the withdrawal agreement quote:No customs duties shall be payable for a good brought into Northern Ireland from don't worry you might get the money back quote:6. Customs duties levied by the United Kingdom in accordance with paragraph 3 are not the UK may also in particular quote:(d) compensate undertakings to offset the impact of the application of paragraph 3. I know you're talking about Johnson basically turning around and admitting it, but what if he never does? Lying worked out for him so far, when the burdens appear he can just keep saying "no there aren't any"
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Feb 1, 2020 16:29
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When you watch a film about a foreign country and they have a segment on the kooky local customs that makes you laugh, and then you realise the foreign country is the county you grew up in.
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I mean this is pretty dumb. People in Gibraltar are British and have voted in huge majorities to drive that point home, historically. It was like 98.7% or something last time they had a referendum. If self-determination means anything it's that Gibraltar is British. Spain cares more about access to UK fish than it does about a monkey infested rock, but the EU will probably still use it as a bargaining chip. It's like a Hearts of Iron game where an OCD Spain goes to town on border gore. Rakosi fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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I really do not think the EU cares about self determination, particularly where spain's authority is concerned.
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I've seen that photo posted by someone else, but with the name of the building censored. It may well be a stdh.
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Rakosi posted:I mean this is pretty dumb. People in Gibraltar are British and have voted in huge majorities to drive that point home, historically. It was like 98.7% or something last time they had a referendum. If self-determination means anything it's that Gibraltar is British.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The world community can't just accept colonial occupation as legitimate because the settlers feel loyalty towards the metropole. It was 1713
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They cut the end off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EQCpQbUrzI
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Feb 1, 2020 17:09
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Jippa posted:This should be put in the op. 
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Feb 1, 2020 17:12
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They would probably give it to one of the UK diplomatic staff.
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Rakosi posted:It was 1713 limited posted:I can just imagine as soon as they went around the corner, that flag went straight in the bin. Either that, or it's going to be, 'filed' in a dusty basement until the moths and rats have had their fill. Possibly put into a cleaner's cupboard for later use?
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Feb 1, 2020 17:20
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They didn't even folks it into a triangle thirteen times which is a very real UK thing I am mad about.
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OwlFancier posted:They would probably give it to one of the UK diplomatic staff. It'll be given to the Scots as a gift once they rejoin.
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OwlFancier posted:They would probably give it to one of the UK diplomatic staff. Should do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptZxseU8co&t=138s So the UK now has a year to sort out customs and the Irish border and the various trade deals?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The scars of imperialism do not simply heal by themselves, they reverberate through time and lock people in the present into destines decided before they were born. Former imperial powers must make amends and do what they can to right past wrongs, not defend them with the argument that those crimes are in the past. Britain has owned it for longer than the Kingdom of Spain has. What does originality have to do with anything if all the people there are British and want to be British, especially when the claim is like over 300 years old. The EU don't really give a poo poo. Spain and the EU will use it as part of the negotiations to pressure Boris to giving access to UK fishing waters or something else. It's a bad faith dispute on both sides, except for the people unfairly caught in the middle.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The world community can't just accept colonial occupation as legitimate because the settlers feel loyalty towards the metropole. Why do any claims to land beyond those of the current residents matter, if self-determination of people is such an important principle. The people of Gibraltar want to remain British, and why should quibbling over 300 year old history override that?
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Why do any claims to land beyond those of the current residents matter, if self-determination of people is such an important principle. The people of Gibraltar want to remain British, and why should quibbling over 300 year old history override that?
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Pilchenstein posted:That's not what "reported cases" means but also lol at "respecting brexit", you disingenuous prick. You know full loving well the issue is another eleven plus months of the thread being full of: "hey, have poor people started dying in droves yet? Really excited to watch that as an outside observer, just so I can tell a thread full of people who knew brexit was a bad idea that I told them so". Just gently caress off you grotesque oval office. well, I'd argue the brexit vote was just as perfectly valid a response to working class concerns on elitist rule and immigration as was the trump vote. i agree the forums tend to have a less than respectful discourse on these matters, but I'm quite puzzled by just how defensively you react--i'm less than convinced incandescent rage is a great mental model for this. maybe you find it helpful. but for my own part, I object to the suggestion that a political subject be censored on the grounds the thing hurts people--and certainly not by appeals to decorum or tone. certainly, that would also apply to global capitalism, the climate crisis and, as mentioned, the donald trump. i've certainly never seen poster location acknowledged as relevant to thread participation--even so i'll certainly consider moderating myself in the future, now that I've a better handle on your honest concern.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Because if you follow that logic, then performing a genocide and moving in your own people gives you the right to the territory. To allow imperial conquests and settlements to stand is to invite more imperialism. lmao it was a territory ceded by Spain to the British. No genocide happened. In exchange for ceding the Southern Netherlands, Naples, Milan, and Sardinia to Austria; Sicily and some Milanese lands to Savoy; and Gibraltar and Menorca to Great Britain, Spain got to keep its entire overseas empire. Britain was hardly pillaging some underdeveloped nation of its resources. quote:With regard to Gibraltar, the town, fortifications and port (but not the hinterland) were ceded to Britain "for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever." The treaty also stipulated that if Britain was ever to dispose of Gibraltar it would first have to offer the territory to Spain. Boris is as likely to give Gibraltar back to Spain as he is the Falklands back to Argentina. It won't happen, especially on the back of a nationalist Brexit victory. The EU is sniffing glue if they play this any more than just pressure on other more important negotiations. Rakosi fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Eh, if we had a little Spanish enclave on the English coast filled with tax evaders and organised crime, I can't imagine we'd be too happy with that either.
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Frankly I'm not keen on the english enclaves on the english coast filled with tax evaders and organized crime.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Because if you follow that logic, then performing a genocide and moving in your own people gives you the right to the territory. To allow imperial conquests and settlements to stand is to invite more imperialism. there was no genocide of native gibraltans
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None of this matters because the UK is now a single country with a fragile economy and no backup, and Spain is in the EU; if Spain decides they want Gibraltar and the EU backs them on it in a full and serious way (which they won't, not yet) they're getting it one way or another.
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Pistol_Pete posted:Eh, if we had a little Spanish enclave on the English coast filled with tax evaders and organised crime, I can't imagine we'd be too happy with that either. which is actually what the Spanish government cares about. that and shared sovereignty over the airport which is on disputed territory unlike the rock itself. expect to see a crack down on smuggling and reform of finance in the territory as a price to pay for our trade deal. silver linings I guess.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:well, I'd argue the brexit vote was just as perfectly valid a response to working class concerns on elitist rule and immigration as was the trump vote. i agree the forums tend to have a less than respectful discourse on these matters, but I'm quite puzzled by just how defensively you react--i'm less than convinced incandescent rage is a great mental model for this. maybe you find it helpful. 
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Rakosi posted:lmao it was a territory ceded by Spain to the British. No genocide happened. In exchange for ceding the Southern Netherlands, Naples, Milan, and Sardinia to Austria; Sicily and some Milanese lands to Savoy; and Gibraltar and Menorca to Great Britain, Spain got to keep its entire overseas empire. Britain was hardly pillaging some underdeveloped nation of its resources. Cerv posted:there was no genocide of native gibraltans Pistol_Pete posted:Eh, if we had a little Spanish enclave on the English coast filled with tax evaders and organised crime, I can't imagine we'd be too happy with that either.
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Who decides what's an imperialist relic? Ceuta and Melilla fit the standard of imperialist relics, being agreed between France and Spain as part of an imperialist war in Morocco over which Moroccans had little say, far more than Gibraltar, being a product of a treaty between two European colonialist powers.
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