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Bust Rodd posted:Inverter is not the problematic card, the card that puts an “I literally win the game” trigger on the stack with virtually no counter play, is the issue and this is, I believe, the same Disallow, Nimble Obstructionist, Repudiate, even Tale's End if you need to go deep (hey, it counters planeswalkers too)
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BizarroAzrael posted:Two rounds into a Pioneer PTQ and I've not played any Magic yet, just watch Oracle of Thassa solitair. Fair to say Play Design should just be humanly destroyed at this stage. Oh no, a combo deck in a large format, whatever could you possibly do in order to stop it from happening!!!
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Feb 2, 2020 14:50
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Hushwing Gryff, Tocatli Honor Guard, Whirlwind Denial, counter spells. The real problem is every card that's actually good against it is blue and they just get to play 4 Thoughtseize.
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Feb 2, 2020 15:56
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suicidesteve posted:Hushwing Gryff, Tocatli Honor Guard, Whirlwind Denial, counter spells. Which ties into a much deeper and more fundamental problem with the game, i.e. Blue and Black get all the disruption
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Feb 2, 2020 16:02
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TheKingofSprings posted:Which ties into a much deeper and more fundamental problem with the game, i.e. Blue and Black get all the disruption Every color gets disruption, it's just that not every color gets to do the same kind of disruption and blue's disruption is time limited not type limited. This isn't a fundamental problem with the game, it's just how the game functions. I'm not sure why you would expect every color to be equally good at all interaction; that would make the game far less interesting.
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Feb 2, 2020 16:11
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It's time for another planar chaos esque set
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Feb 2, 2020 16:12
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IMO I think it's more likely that the issue is that Thassa's Oracle is like Lab Man but costs less and is more lenient in how empty your library is. I don't think giving white the ability to give creatures -x/-x or red bounce effects is going to fix such a perfect combo finisher.
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Feb 2, 2020 16:36
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As an EDH player, let me tell you how glad I am that y'all finally joining us on the Oracle Hate Train.
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Feb 2, 2020 16:53
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Lab man can also typically be answered by creature removal, mean that any colour can interact with it.
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Feb 2, 2020 17:09
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Toshimo posted:As an EDH player, let me tell you how glad I am that y'all finally joining us on the Oracle Hate Train. Finally? Set just came out
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Feb 2, 2020 17:11
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In a post that probably interests bust rodd and only bust rodd, I took manaless dredge out for a ride again today and went 3-2. First match against sneak and show, G1 Sneak attacked in a griselbrand and drew, I managed to out value with small creatures and the fact griselbrand kept dying meant I was able to attack and win. G2 Missed out on some dredgers, sneak attack with grisel and another big creature while I had little in the way of a board meant I lost. G3 just pure out valued with nether shadows and amalgams Win 2-1 M2 against a monoblack control like deck G1 again just ground out with shadows/amalgams/ichorids G2 he dropped a T3 ashiok before I could get much going and I conceded G3 there was a surgical extraction exiled with chrome mox. I could see he was struggling with mana so I force of vigored the mox and a bitterblossom, then dread returned a balustrade to flip the deck. Win 2-1 M3 a weird manaless lab man thing that I can't really describe. It had an angel that brought back some humans and he would balustrade himself to draw with lab man. I lost G1, he whiffed G2, G3 I should've mulliganed to find a faerie macabre but with a once upon a time and two street wraiths I wasn't able to find anything to save myself. Loss 1-2 M4 against lands G1 I dread had a narcomaeba to block marit lage, then dread returned another one to block again while sticking some amalgams and shadows on the board to win. G2 I got run over by marit lage G3 there was an early bojuka bog that caused me problems, but I was able to rebuild a hand as he got stuck looking for a life from the loam. I'm not sure why he didn't pull out a dark depths with the elf that let him search, as he had a thespian's stage, but he wanted to pull glacial chasm and bojuka bog out of the yard. I had a couple faerie macabres in hand regardless and out ground him. Win 2-1 M5 win and in to top 4 against a UW value pack G1 he stuck a meddling mage T2 naming dread return. I cabal therapy on my T2 blindly naming something, saw a card called peacekeeper. T3 he whiffed on a land but played another meddling mage naming cabal therapy, then played peacekeeper. I had a big board at this point but would need him to miss a trigger on peacekeeper to win. I was a little pissed off as there were 2 guys constantly talking to us while we were playing and talking about trying to distract my opponent to miss the trigger. he missed it while they were really giving him the gears, so I told him I didn't want to win if that's how he missed the trigger and gave up game 1 G2 he played lavinia T2, then grafdigger T3 and I was done. Loss 2-0 The deck I'm finding is more about grinding out wins with recursive creatures, which is surprisingly fun despite feeling like I don't have many choices to make. Takeaways from the day are: The flip-the-deck part is stylish but hard to pull off. Amalgams are far and away better than rootwallas. Against a fragile combo deck it is definitely better to mulligan and struggle with dredging later if it means a chance at stopping the combo and winning that way.
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Feb 2, 2020 17:55
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Mother loving hell yeah dude that rocks. Is it just a cheap tourney at your LGS or are they a Legacy weekly thing?
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Feb 2, 2020 18:31
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Last week's legacy was the local magic club (there are associations/ clubs for everything here), this week was one of the clubs in the next city over. The LGS runs pioneer and standard in store, the modern and legacy are sponsored by the store but the club has membership and stuff. Normally we get one modern and one legacy event per month in our club, and then one pioneer/ one standard in the LGS.
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Feb 2, 2020 18:37
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Toshimo posted:As an EDH player, let me tell you how glad I am that y'all finally joining us on the Oracle Hate Train. Rinkles posted:Finally? Set just came out
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Feb 2, 2020 18:42
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ilmucche posted:M3 a weird manaless lab man thing that I can't really describe. It had an angel that brought back some humans and he would balustrade himself to draw with lab man. I lost G1, he whiffed G2, G3 I should've mulliganed to find a faerie macabre but with a once upon a time and two street wraiths I wasn't able to find anything to save myself. 
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Feb 2, 2020 18:43
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I mean mulliganning in manaless dredge isn't really a thing, right?
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Feb 2, 2020 18:44
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Aranan posted:The hour that Oracle was spoiled, it was identified as the enabler to tie together the two strongest strategies in cEDH into a single deck while making most other forms of either inferior. It's kinda busted (alongside Flash) and was spotted immediately. does edh have enough tutors that a single nonlegendary can be that impactful?
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Feb 2, 2020 18:49
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I mean mulliganning in manaless dredge isn't really a thing, right? Normally no, but in this case I think it's the right move: He would flip the deck and have at most 4 narcomaebas in play so only 1 cast of dread return available. He was targetting a 1 of creature in his yard that he needed to get lab man and a creature that let him draw into play. If he fails to get that creature into play he basically loses, which combined with the fact he gets exactly 1 shot at it well means it could be worth it to mull for a faerie macabre to exile that target. I'd rather mull in that situation because he goes off faster than I do, and if I snipe that card then I have all the time in the world to rebuild a hand, or he draws from an empty library on his next upkeep and loses. Not sure why he didn't balustrade me, as then I'd be the one drawing from an empty library.
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Feb 2, 2020 18:53
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Rinkles posted:does edh have enough tutors that a single nonlegendary can be that impactful? Yes. More than enough.
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Rinkles posted:does edh have enough tutors that a single nonlegendary can be that impactful? Definitely. And this is specifically for the more polished/high power/competitive levels where people are running budgetless decks packing all the tutors, Demonic Consultation / Tainted Pact, and raw card draw to dig for things. This is a good example of the 'stock' Sushi Hulk list.
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odiv posted:God, getting to ignore someone's Dream Trawler is just so good. My opponent dropped one, said "Good Game" and then I just absolutely wrecked them anyway. Haha someone tried to prematurely gg me Friday night when they tried to Agent my Heliod and whoops Alseid exists and I had mana open for exactly that reason. I ended up winning because they rage quitted a couple turns later lol. If they had stuck it out they may have won. Don't get cocky kid.
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Feb 2, 2020 19:09
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We don't have the breakdown for Pioneer performance only yet, but Nagoya is 5/8ths Inverter Combo.
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Feb 2, 2020 19:29
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I mean mulliganning in manaless dredge isn't really a thing, right? Sometimes in Leg you gotta break your arm off and beat your opponent to death with it
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Feb 2, 2020 19:30
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Thanks, good explanations. Is there any reason for Oops All Spells to be on the Angel of Glory's Rise plan now that Thassa's Oracle exists?
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Feb 2, 2020 19:39
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I'd imagine in his deck it's because he was landless and was putting nearly nothing on the board for devotion. He had some elvish spirit guides and moxes of some sort for mana. In the 150 cards in our match 0 of them were lands. Apparently his game 2 plan was charbelcher, but he whiffed and scooped before I saw it.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:We don't have the breakdown for Pioneer performance only yet, but Nagoya is 5/8ths Inverter Combo. Deck is good. I just did a side event at SCG with it; never played a game with it before and went 3-0-1 with little to no effort I do think it can be interacted with but people haven't figured out the play patterns yet
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Walked posted:Deck is good. The counterplay is don’t let jace or thassafolk hit the field
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counterspells, you say. 
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Thanks, good explanations. Is there any reason for Oops All Spells to be on the Angel of Glory's Rise plan now that Thassa's Oracle exists? I think, no. You can play Oracle with Lotleth backup and it's still less slots than the Angel (or more updated, Underworld Cerberus versions).
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Feb 2, 2020 22:21
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ungulateman posted:counterspells, you say. Just spell queller everything into dust
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Feb 2, 2020 22:26
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Blue's "timing matters" might be a better restriction if everything worth playing didn't have EtB triggers. Or if other color's spells could interact with the stack in a more meaningful way.
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PJOmega posted:Blue's "timing matters" might be a better restriction if everything worth playing didn't have EtB triggers. I mean, this is a strength of blue's portfolio. Counters and discard are the only things that can deal with a planeswalker or 187 creature before your opponent gets to start lubing up their genitals with value. True, blue's answers to resolved permanents are actively worse against etb effects, but it seems like most people are talking about counterspells.
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1b Destroy target creature that entered the battlefield this turn. Counter all abilities that it entering the battlefield or dying would trigger. Black essence scatter is not a colour pie break ):<
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Feb 3, 2020 00:47
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Needs an on theme black name like "remove soul."
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Feb 3, 2020 00:55
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Owlbear Camus posted:Needs an on theme black name like "remove soul." I actually made a common black removal spell for a custom cube called 'remove head' with the flavour text 'when your enemies are denied heads, they are denied victory'.
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Feb 3, 2020 01:22
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Choose one: - Destroy target creature - Counter target creature spell
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Interdict {W}{W} Gain control of target artifact or enchantment spell. Edit: Pretend “interdict” isn’t already taken.
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Pulcinella posted:Interdict My favorite version of this that I've seen is WW | Instant | Target instant or sorcery spell loses all abilities.
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