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Hillary 2024
Nov 13, 2016

by vyelkin

Cable Guy posted:

Aw gently caress.... Sources please?
https://www.defence.gov.au/Environment/PFAS/
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/09/australian-defence-force-warned-about-toxic-firefighting-foam-30-years-ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-20/bullsbrook-locals-angry-over-pfas-foam-contamination-raaf-base/10396392
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/high-profile-calls-for-immediate-pfas-blood-tests-near-raaf-base-20191024-p533wb.html

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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Hillary 2020 posted:

Plastic was a mistake.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Cable Guy posted:

Aw gently caress.... Sources please?

Yeah sorry, was phone posting but I can see others have helped out.

https://www.defence.gov.au/Environment/PFAS/investigationandmanagementsites.asp

Every state except Tasmania has sites that are being investigated.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



lilbeefer posted:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...am-30-years-ago

I don't think Australia has the equivalent of superfund sites, but if they did, air force bases would probably counts


It's ok, Fort Wainwright has you covered for the US. The state of AK considers an entire neighborhood on-base to be a superfund site, after construction workers accidentally dug up buried waste from the 40's and 50's.

https://dec.alaska.gov/spar/csp/sites/fort-wainwright/

https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/SiteProfiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=second.ous&id=1001146

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Wainwright#Taku_Gardens


I'd bold the exciting parts...but this entire paragraph is :stonk:

quote:

Taku Gardens
To meet the needs of new personnel and their families construction of 128 homes on a 54-acre housing project known as Taku Gardens began in 2005 on the former communications site.[3] In June, 2005 construction workers noticed "stained soil and unusual odors during excavation of a building foundation" and laboratory testing revealed the presence of PCB at concentrations of up to 115,000 mg/kg - Alaska's current clean-up standard is 1 mg/kg.[3] Further testing of the site revealed the presence of volatile and semi-volatile organic compounds, chlorinated compounds including solvents, herbicides, pesticides, dioxins, and "munitions-related compounds" such as nitroaromatics and propellants.[3] Construction was suspended August–September 2005 and continued until end of 2006. A January, 2007 Army audit questioned "the wisdom of building a family housing complex on top of a known 1950s-era military landfill" and concluded that "the situation with the Taku construction project is the direct result of multiple individuals failing to adhere to Army and federal regulations and guidance."[4][5] From 2007 to 2010 drums and debris were excavated, PCB contaminated soil was removed and backfilled, but some fuel and volatile organic compound-contaminated soil and groundwater remains on site.[6]

...

Hangar 6
In June, 2006 civilian construction workers at Aircraft Maintenance Hangar No. 6 – known by the Corps of Engineers to be a designated Hazardous Waste Accumulation point – were overcome by fumes described as "pungent, chalky and metallic tasting" and suffered nausea, headaches and other symptoms. A state health report concluded that "an unknown, volatile chemical likely caused nerve damage to the disabled workers." More than 30 workers were hospitalized and at least 4 have suffered lasting disabilities. The workers initiated a civil suit against the Army which was dismissed because the workers were limited to state workers’ compensation as their only relief.[7][8]

e: every military base that existed around WWII is probably like this, and given how slowly change happens in the military...I'd imagine there are more bases on the Superfund list than not :(

e2: lmao holy gently caress, a complete list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_Superfund_sites

Icon Of Sin fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Feb 3, 2020

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde

tactlessbastard posted:

Air Force bases, duh
:ughh:

lilbeefer posted:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...am-30-years-ago

I don't think Australia has the equivalent of superfund sites, but if they did, air force bases would probably counts

Memento posted:

Yeah sorry, was phone posting but I can see others have helped out.

https://www.defence.gov.au/Environment/PFAS/investigationandmanagementsites.asp

Every state except Tasmania has sites that are being investigated.
Thanks

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Ornamental Dingbat posted:

I expect they'll be saying the same thing about stuff like HFCS, fluoride, or sex lube in 100 years.
We're getting killed right now by plenty of things we know full well, but also next quarter numbers must go up.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Platystemon posted:

The rules about fire resistance in kids clothes in the U.S. are kind of ridiculous.

If you have a shirt in a child’s size, and you print an image of the Moon on it, gently caress you, that’s now sleepwear because the Moon is associated with the night. Now it can’t be made out of pure cotton because cotton does not self‐extinguish.

Beer labels are all kinds of ridiculous because they all go through one guy who makes up arbitrary rules so kids don't drink the beer on accident.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3034389/this-one-guy-approves-30000-beer-labels-a-year-and-brewers-hate-him

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Uthor posted:

Beer labels are all kinds of ridiculous because they all go through one guy who makes up arbitrary rules so kids don't drink the beer on accident.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3034389/this-one-guy-approves-30000-beer-labels-a-year-and-brewers-hate-him

(A less googly-eyed Santa was later approved.)

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Uthor posted:

Beer labels are all kinds of ridiculous because they all go through one guy who makes up arbitrary rules so kids don't drink the beer on accident.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3034389/this-one-guy-approves-30000-beer-labels-a-year-and-brewers-hate-him

Good news is he retired a year later...I'm assuming because of pressure from the media
https://www.brewbound.com/news/ttb-label-dictator-retires

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

haveblue posted:

(A less googly-eyed Santa was later approved.)

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Kirtland AFB had a jet fuel leak go unnoticed for literal decades and was forced to set up a real water treatment plant after sitting on their hands for another 13 years after noticing the issue because it had reached the city water table. Chuds fought it insanely hard.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Fallom posted:

Kirtland AFB had a jet fuel leak go unnoticed for literal decades and was forced to set up a real water treatment plant after sitting on their hands for another 13 years after noticing the issue because it had reached the city water table. Chuds fought it insanely hard.

JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS ISN'T CARCINOGENIC

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
drinking industrial effluent to own the libs

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

brugroffil posted:

JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS ISN'T CARCINOGENIC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nL10C7FSbE

e: lol he points the propane torch basically right at his own face for a split second to "hear it"

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood
out of all the forms of Hillbilly i grew up with, firebugs had the lowest probability of making it through their teen years alive or even with both eyebrows. Wrenchnecks a close second but only because they usually find out about nitrous then immediately cross class into firebug.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

out of all the forms of Hillbilly i grew up with, firebugs had the lowest probability of making it through their teen years alive or even with both eyebrows. Wrenchnecks a close second but only because they usually find out about nitrous then immediately cross class into firebug.

Firebugs, Wrenchnecks, Shoot'n Scooters, Chilren-hoarders, Regular-hoarders, Riverbottom Barefoots, and Jerry's.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

LifeSunDeath posted:

Firebugs, Wrenchnecks, Shoot'n Scooters, Chilren-hoarders, Regular-hoarders, Riverbottom Barefoots, and Jerry's.

I wanna play this RPG

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant
In the building of the plant, nine rural cemeteries in Webster and Bossier parishes came uniquely under the perpetual care of the United States government. Existing wooden grave markers were replaced with small concrete slabs without the names of the deceased listed on the markers. The cemeteries are Allentown, Crowe, Jim Davis, Keene, Knotttingham, Raine, Richardson, Vanorsdel, and Walker. Those interred are listed with dates of birth and death and occasionally with other information in a printed survey, but individuals cannot visit LAAP grounds to look for specific graves; none would be found by the names were such a search conducted

e: A facility burning explosives and munitions waste first opened in Colfax in 1985, and was licensed in 1993.[16] Clean Harbors acquired it in 2002 from Safety-Kleen. The plant disposes of explosives and munitions waste by open burns from ammunition plants or defense contractors at "at least 42 locations across 22 states". In July 2017 it has been described as "the only commercial facility in the nation" allowed to do so without environmental emissions controls.[17] It has been burning propellant waste from the Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant, 95 miles north.[17]

i am harry fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Feb 3, 2020

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood

LifeSunDeath posted:

Firebugs, Wrenchnecks, Shoot'n Scooters, Chilren-hoarders, Regular-hoarders, Riverbottom Barefoots, and Jerry's.

Holler-Bards (subtype: religious, bluegrass, country, western), Saturdaymen (adversarial NPCs), Moonshiners (subtype: hooch, reefer), Prospectors, and Sherrifs (adversarial NPCs).

Ordinaire
Sep 1, 2008

Forks in the road we're not.

Memento posted:

The Australian Air Force is embroiled in a pretty serious scandal right now with firefighting foam they knew 30 years ago to be insanely toxic that has been leaking from various bases into nearby water supplies.

So, yeah.

Those firefighting foam chemicals (PFAS) are all the rage in the environmental health world. They're in drat near anything that's 'stain resistant' and they're used in a lot of food packaging. Exposure is basically ubiquitous if you live in the US, at least, and drinking water limits are being set in the single digit parts per trillion range. I can pretty much guarantee if you're reading this you probably have at least a small amount of PFAS in your blood and it had been there for years.

Hooray for the carbon-fluorine bond! :eng99:

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



As long as that fluorine stays bound and doesn’t try to eat my bones, I’m not terribly worried about it (yet)

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
the woman chemist I was thinking about is Monona Rossol and the book she always shills on public radio is " Pick Your Poison: How Our Mad Dash to Chemical Utopia is Making Lab Rats of Us All" , everytime she guesses on radio I should become super aware how many things around me seem so cancerous.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Icon Of Sin posted:

As long as that fluorine stays bound and doesn’t try to eat my bones, I’m not terribly worried about it (yet)
Hmmm here's a chemical with a comically strong surfactant property from an incredibly novel electronegativity layout, but the fluorine is pretty well stuck to the backbone so it's not going to eat my bones. Don't see why anyone would care if it isn't bone hurting :tif:

3M and Dupont have given very good epidemiology about extended contact from their manufacturing ops where they gave few shits about it and guess what, cancer all the way down.

Consumer contact the jury is out but it's worth using ALARA attitudes for anything with such strong causal health issues in industrial processes.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Icon Of Sin posted:

It's ok, Fort Wainwright has you covered for the US. The state of AK considers an entire neighborhood on-base to be a superfund site, after construction workers accidentally dug up buried waste from the 40's and 50's.

https://dec.alaska.gov/spar/csp/sites/fort-wainwright/

https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/SiteProfiles/index.cfm?fuseaction=second.ous&id=1001146

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Wainwright#Taku_Gardens


I'd bold the exciting parts...but this entire paragraph is :stonk:


e: every military base that existed around WWII is probably like this, and given how slowly change happens in the military...I'd imagine there are more bases on the Superfund list than not :(

e2: lmao holy gently caress, a complete list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_Superfund_sites

The soil was 11% PCBs? wtf

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Ordinaire posted:

Those firefighting foam chemicals (PFAS) are all the rage in the environmental health world. They're in drat near anything that's 'stain resistant' and they're used in a lot of food packaging. Exposure is basically ubiquitous if you live in the US, at least, and drinking water limits are being set in the single digit parts per trillion range. I can pretty much guarantee if you're reading this you probably have at least a small amount of PFAS in your blood and it had been there for years.

Hooray for the carbon-fluorine bond! :eng99:

Since late last year, the legal limit for PFAS here is 0.9µg/kg in the soil. That shut down a hell of a lot of construction.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something
PFAS is stored in the ball-blood.

best bale
Jul 4, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

PFAS is stored in the ball-blood.

Lol then how is there enough room for the piss? Idiot

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

best bale posted:

Lol then how is there enough room for the piss? Idiot

The blood is in the skin around the piss bag, dipshit.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

best bale posted:

Lol then how is there enough room for the piss? Idiot

Fool! Dummard!

This is like the distinction between lava and magma. Pee is what is stored internally, in the balls. Piss is what it's called when it exits your body.

Which means piss is stored in the milk bottles people keep in their Piss Pantry.

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Which means piss is stored in the milk bottles people keep in their Piss Pantry.

Fun fact, if you remove all the milk bottles, behind them you'll find the tape.

best bale
Jul 4, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

Cojawfee posted:

The blood is in the skin around the piss bag, dipshit.

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Fool! Dummard!

This is like the distinction between lava and magma. Pee is what is stored internally, in the balls. Piss is what it's called when it exits your body.

Which means piss is stored in the milk bottles people keep in their Piss Pantry.

Well gently caress not only was I wrong I just found out I’ve been using my milk bottles incorrectly

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde
Meant to post this last night before the crash... but anyway...

Memento posted:

Every state except Tasmania has sites that are being investigated.


drat.

There's also an investigation in Hobart. This is from the older Guardian article... maybe they were downgraded or resolved I guess.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


best bale posted:

Well gently caress not only was I wrong I just found out I’ve been using my milk bottles incorrectly

Yeah, mason jars are for poo poo. The wide mouth is critical in this pursuit.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

LifeSunDeath posted:

Firebugs, Wrenchnecks, Shoot'n Scooters, Chilren-hoarders, Regular-hoarders, Riverbottom Barefoots, and Jerry's.

I'm going to need translations for all these. I can figure out Firebug and Chilren-hoarders from contextual clues but the rest confuse me.

BrassRoots
Jan 9, 2012

You can play a shoestring if you're sincere - John Coltrane

Bad Munki posted:

Yeah, mason jars are for poo poo. The wide mouth is critical in this pursuit.

Please be aware that turd greater than 6" must be manually lowered into the jars. Failure to comply will result in a written warning.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Please ensure that the jar is not inserted.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


https://i.imgur.com/q0ArL5O.mp4

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


BrassRoots posted:

Please be aware that turd greater than 6" must be manually lowered into the jars. Failure to comply will result in a written warning.

I don’t need no company man telling me how to drop my turds, my father was a turdfuckler, and his father was a turdfuckler. Some day my son will be a turdfuckler too and I’ll be damned if I’m going to let some clown get in the middle of our turdfuckling experience, we know more about the real world of turdfuckling than some pencil pusher from corporate who’s probably never fuckled a single turd in his life

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood

twistedmentat posted:

I'm going to need translations for all these. I can figure out Firebug and Chilren-hoarders from contextual clues but the rest confuse me.

Wrenchnecks are Truckfucklers, Shoot'n Scooters are drive by shooting enthusiasts, Regular-hoarders have huge hoards of stuff left out in their yards, on their porches, in tumbledown sheds, Riverbottom Barefoots are fish'n folk, and Jerry's. . . We don't talk about Jerry. . .

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Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
he was a racecar driver... just one too many cold beers one night

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