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Tenebrais posted:Sure, their powers give them the edge, but there's just enough room for someone quirkless to carve themselves a niche that Izuku could well have pursued if he hadn't given up on his dream the moment he discovered he didn't have a cool power. How do you square this with All Might himself saying, point blank, that someone without at least a quirk can't make it as a hero?
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Flesnolk posted:How do you square this with All Might himself saying, point blank, that someone without at least a quirk can't make it as a hero? A merciful lie for Deku, because as harsh as "you can't be a hero without a quirk" sounds to him, it is sure as hell is a lot gentler than "uh, yeah, you could absolutely be a quirkless hero, that is if you had begun training your body and pursuing martial arts like....5-7 years ago? Unfortunately, you just sat on your rear end and daydreamed about being a hero instead of actually working to become one and its far too late to start now, so you kinda wasted your only chance. Sucks, huh?".
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Feb 3, 2020 02:59
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Flesnolk posted:How do you square this with All Might himself saying, point blank, that someone without at least a quirk can't make it as a hero? Pure practicality. Without a Quirk you don't get into UA (or any of the other hero academies), you don't get the early access to the Hero Exam, you don't get recruited by big name heroes as an intern, you don't get a provisional Hero License, And in all likelihood you don't ever get a hero license, at which point your choices are give it up or become an illegal vigilante, as likely to get busted by pro heroes as the villains are.
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Feb 3, 2020 03:09
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Yeah I read that as Hero (career choice) vs. hero (a person of courage and virtue). IIRC All Might suggested Deku become a cop or something, which while problematic to our eyes was probably rooted in "you can help people and fight bad guys in that way, despite lacking a mutant power."
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Feb 3, 2020 03:19
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Also as a comparison point, we’ve seen enough of All Might to know that even before he got his power he was working out and pushing himself to be the hero he believed he could be. It’s why he’s actually good at being a personal trainer and such, he himself did a lot of working out and bodybuilding even before gaining One for All. He even explains it, with all his power he still got injured and is losing his quirk and his ability to be a hero, and so he doesn’t want to set up a scrawny quirkless kid for a life of pain in an industry he will already struggle to enter. I wonder if Izuku has been training and exercising all his life would All Might still have turned him down, or would he have been intrigued by someone very much like himself once, quirkless but still pushing towards being a hero.
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Feb 3, 2020 04:05
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i feel like this current arc will have someone notice bakugo's actually quite acute perceptiveness, and teach him to turn that towards seeing how people are feeling emotionally instead of just an immense spatial skill and quick eye for physical details. bakugo is insanely smart, but he's only ever applied that towards combat-related skills. it'd be cool if instead of someone sitting down and saying "hey dude, have you considered like, just not being a jerk?" someone actually saw what he's already good at and helped him redirect those skills and energy towards new things.
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Feb 3, 2020 04:45
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I feel like "guns" can counter a lot of heroes powers A punisher type in this universe wouldn't really have any issues dunking on most heroes. I mean it's nice that you can dissolve stuff with your hands I guess, or you can jump around like a frog *shoots you from 200m away*
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Feb 3, 2020 12:21
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Yeah but this is anime world where guns are no match for fisticuffs or glorious hanzo steel
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Feb 3, 2020 14:02
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Well, no. We already know that guns can be effective because Snipe exists. His Quirk lets him basically control exactly where his shots end up, which gives him a bit of an edge but nothing earthshattering. We've seen him a few times even, since he teaches at UA.
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Feb 3, 2020 14:11
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There really aren't too many guns in Japan so I doubt its that much of an issue. Plus like CharlestonJew said, this is a universe where people without physically-enhancing quirks like Shigaraki can move fast enough to flash step and Sir Nighteye can throw a paperweight hard enough to blow Rappa into a wall. I kind of assume that being able to beat a random thug with a gun is a prerequisite to being a real pro-hero.
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Feb 3, 2020 15:05
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one may assume that snipe seldom appears in the comic because his quirk (which is Gun) and his equipment (which is also Gun) would trivialize the vast majority of encounters shown thus far the minute he stepped into the USJ, shigaraki was on the ground with more new holes than a colander
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Feb 3, 2020 15:12
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Yeah I'm not saying I'd like to see a gun toting dude wasting heroes because that'd be boring in a world full of creative superpowers. But JUST SAYING it'd probably be easy for a guy with a rifle to take out most heroes in this setting. Basically anyone without super speed or super durability would be vulnerable to "bullets"
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Feb 3, 2020 15:51
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I suspect guns in this setting would be clamped down even harder than in real Japan, for exactly that reason. Can't shoot a hero if you can't get a gun.
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Feb 3, 2020 16:07
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Like half the X Men are technically vulnerable to bullets too but it never comes up outside of some dudes who have guns as their gimmick because just shooting in a superhero story is loving lame.
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Feb 3, 2020 16:43
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Now I want to see an edit of that Indiana Jones scene with someone from this show instead of a swordguy?.
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Feb 3, 2020 18:48
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Nullsmack posted:Now I want to see an edit of that Indiana Jones scene with someone from this show instead of a swordguy?. Indy is Bakugo/Todoroki and his opponent gets completely nuked before they can do anything
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Feb 3, 2020 18:59
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Nullsmack posted:Now I want to see an edit of that Indiana Jones scene with someone from this show instead of a swordguy?.
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Feb 3, 2020 19:43
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We just saw guns used this last season, to great effect. Not just against Lemillion either, we saw it used against Suneater and Red Riot. And we also got to see precisely why guns can be both handy and why they are rendered useless.
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Feb 3, 2020 21:31
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There was also that kid with a gun from the Summer Camp arc who had the unfortunate luck to facing off against Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu.
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Rhonne posted:There was also that kid with a gun from the Summer Camp arc who had the unfortunate luck to facing off against Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu. though even with tetsu all steeled up the gunshots apparently hurt like a bastard
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Oxxidation posted:though even with tetsu all steeled up the gunshots apparently hurt like a bastard Obviously, you can make the argument "a high-powered sniper rifle could end a hero instantly", but that's a pretty extreme example. So could a surface-to-surface missile.
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PMush Perfect posted:Reminder that Tetsu is a child. Two children, one whose power is "big hands", beat poison gas and a revolver. With help from a gas mask.
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Feb 3, 2020 22:05
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Rhonne posted:There was also that kid with a gun from the Summer Camp arc who had the unfortunate luck to facing off against Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu. And in the first movie, people tried to shoot Deku. Didn't really work out!
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Feb 3, 2020 23:54
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Why do people still think HEH JUST USE GUN is clever or witty?
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Flesnolk posted:Why do people still think HEH JUST USE GUN is clever or witty?
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What? People were talking about powerless people and police and then guns were brought up as something that could put most heroes down. Some heroes can deal with guns by having super durability or being superfast or made of rubber or whatever but a lot of heroes would simply lose to "a guy with a gun", which is why that concept is usually not explored too much in stories like these. Unless it is against a hero who specifically CAN deal with guns
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Feb 4, 2020 08:20
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It's a shonen series so guns work only when the story demands it
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Flesnolk posted:Why do people still think HEH JUST USE GUN is clever or witty?
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How popular is the theory that All for One is Deku's father? My GF is very big on this. I was talking to her about the theories for why AFO's theme plays when Deku fought Overhaul and that was her input. I think it's revealed somewhere that Deku's father is some random guy elsewhere. Maybe? I don't pursue these things, I was just told it. Of course there's the whole doctor who said he had no Quirk being All for One's doctor maybe? So who knows, maybe Deku and AFO do have some relation and Izuku had a Quirk all along but it was "worthless" like AFO's brother's and the doc was lying. This was something suggested in the regular MHA thread elsewhere.
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Feb 4, 2020 10:41
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Not a fan of it tbh
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Xarbala posted:Not a fan of it tbh  It'd be way too contrived.
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Feb 4, 2020 11:23
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Deku's dad is overseas somewhere as a businessman according to an omake (In Vol 11 so during the OFA vs All Might battle.)
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Feb 4, 2020 11:30
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Seriously. It's stupid, dumb nonsense that has actively no bearing in the source material. And is actively contradicted by it. Multiple times over.
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Feb 4, 2020 11:41
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sometimes when a character is a nobody they can just be a nobody. deku's second cousin once removed does not need to secretly be overhaul or whatever, just because we can assume that a character exists doesn't mean that character has any greater significance than what we already know i don't think that theory really adds anything to the story as presented, without going off into some wild fan fiction territory, either. also don't we already know that deku's dad is some dude that can breathe fire or some poo poo
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Feb 4, 2020 12:09
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Needing to overexplain and overconnect everything is what ruined the Star Wars prequels, I'm pretty sure Horikoshi isn't going to make the same mistake his most-referenced series did.
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Deku's mom mentions that his dad has a fire breathing quirk during their doctor visit at the very start of the series, but he's never really brought up again. There's a brief flashback to kid Deku trying to breath fire in the Summer Camp arc, but other than that Deku never talks about his dad ever, not even when he's about to die against Muscular and quietly apologizing to his mom and All Might. I think one of the big reasons why the "All For One is Deku's dad" theories is so popular is because the guy looks like Darth Vader and Horikoshi loves his Star Wars references. There's probably more to Deku's dad than just being some dude, but I doubt/hope he's not All For One.
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Feb 4, 2020 12:24
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Among billion other issues, AfO being Deku's father would mean that Deku's Mom is either secretly evil, secretly brainwashed or dumber than a brick and I will fight irl anyone who considers that a good take on her character. 
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ninjewtsu posted:sometimes when a character is a nobody they can just be a nobody. deku's second cousin once removed does not need to secretly be overhaul or whatever, just because we can assume that a character exists doesn't mean that character has any greater significance than what we already know Well if he wasn't gonna show up he'd just be dead or something. If he was a nobody he'd just be like Bakugo's dad. And he said at SDCC in 2018 that he'll show up eventually. Imo the best deku dad theory is he's secretly the lunchguy.  quote:Midoriya Hisashi Kild fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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Deku's dad will appear on the very last chapter/episode of the series and it will be a shot for shot remake of the Waterboy ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A2WXEjOl4Y
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Why do dads always have to be someone special. I hope his dad is just "some guy" All Might is the surrogate father figure anyway
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