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Groovelord Neato posted:I was also disappointed there was just an Engineer city I was looking forward to a planet that was all Giger nightmarescapes. According to people more in the know than me it wasn't an engineer city but a planet full of another seed race. That's why they all came out to meet the horseshoe ship, it was like Quetzalcoatl's return to them.
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General Battuta posted:The polish painter guy aliens were cool. The what?
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Feb 3, 2020 21:46
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Owlbear Camus posted:According to people more in the know than me it wasn't an engineer city but a planet full of another seed race. That's why they all came out to meet the horseshoe ship, it was like Quetzalcoatl's return to them. Yea this is my read on it. A planet of human-like beings that had Engineer DNA just like us, but one that has had regular and much more recent contact with their gods than we have. The whole set-up is clearly very Ancient Aliens, it doesn't come across to me as them just greeting returning travelers, the return of the Engineer ship seems to be inspiring a religious awe. That said, it doesn't change that fact that we didn't get a chance to see the proper Engineer homeworld and now we probably never will.
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Feb 3, 2020 21:56
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They looked like Engineers to me so I always found that explanation a bit goofy but yeah either way we didn't get a cool Engineer homeworld out of it.
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Feb 3, 2020 22:11
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Yeah I always figured they were engineers in that they were genetically a little less distant/came to be much longer ago than humanity but like loooong abandoned by the more advanced folks. I like that it's not THE engineer homeworld because we can still hold out hope that the engineers based their helmet design and entire aesthetic (flute-activated technology like an elephant's trunk  ) off of being that look just like the derelict so there's another layer of the engineers not even being the answer to anything.
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Feb 3, 2020 22:20
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Owlbear Camus posted:According to people more in the know than me it wasn't an engineer city but a planet full of another seed race. That's why they all came out to meet the horseshoe ship, it was like Quetzalcoatl's return to them. But they have an even larger horseshoe ship! So huge! Gargamel Gibson posted:The what? The neomorphs/protomorphs/whatever they're called seem inspired by Zdislav Beksinski. I like them a lot!
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Feb 3, 2020 22:42
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I gotta say, the only thing that stops me from liking the Prometheus series more than it's link to the Alien series is the fact that all of the interesting lore is apparently peripheral/external to the movie. Without them being Alien prequels you can get away from so many plot holes and inconsistencies, with a different monster at the end of covenant its stupidly rapid (in the context of the Xenomorph) growth might not be as jarring, and actually exploring some of the stuff about the engineers onscreen rather than people having to get external information or peruse various lore bibles would be a plus. Do that, and you'd have an actually good and interesting new body horror franchise.
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Feb 3, 2020 23:31
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Also maybe don't have people who were freaking the gently caress out about their situation five minutes earlier suddenly coo gently at a horrific space cock exhibiting a clear threat display.
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Feb 3, 2020 23:33
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Breetai posted:Also maybe don't have people who were freaking the gently caress out about their situation five minutes earlier suddenly coo gently at a horrific space cock exhibiting a clear threat display. Prometheus is not a movie about rational agents in a tactically real simulation. It's about people getting what they want in the worst way. The biologist wanted to meet an alien, he thinks he's in Star Trek. Plus he's gay for the rock guy so he's excited to meet a big erection. Prometheus is a pretty funny movie. I like when they find a severed alien head so they plug it into some wires and it screams and explodes.
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Feb 3, 2020 23:37
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General Battuta posted:Prometheus is not a movie about rational agents in a tactically real simulation. It's about people getting what they want in the worst way. The biologist wanted to meet an alien, he thinks he's in Star Trek. Plus he's gay for the rock guy so he's excited to meet a big erection. I'd believe that if the guy was a wide-eyed adventure-driven optimistic moron from the get-go rather than suddenly experiencing a jarring personality change because the scene demanded it, but ultimately I don't believe that Scott was playing n-dimensional chess with us.
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Feb 3, 2020 23:43
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When you recruit specialists to put their lives on hold for years for a secretive extrasolar mission that may well be one-way at the behest of a recently deceased Howard Hughes type weirdo by just throwing money at them, you're not going to get the best, brightest, and most stable in the field. Those people are politely declining and staying on Terra with their children and their tenures and their nearly paid off mortgages and poo poo.
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Feb 3, 2020 23:53
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Owlbear Camus posted:, you're not going to get the best, brightest, and most stable in the field. . It's not that he wasn't the brightest, it's that he was appropriately fearful until the scene demanded him not to be.
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Owlbear Camus posted:When you recruit specialists to put their lives on hold for years for a secretive extrasolar mission that may well be one-way at the behest of a recently deceased Howard Hughes type weirdo by just throwing money at them, you're not going to get the best, brightest, and most stable in the field. Those people are politely declining and staying on Terra with their children and their tenures and their nearly paid off mortgages and poo poo. 
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Feb 4, 2020 00:11
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If only that was conveyed in the movie somehow.
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Feb 4, 2020 00:24
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Breetai posted:I'd believe that if the guy was a wide-eyed adventure-driven optimistic moron from the get-go rather than suddenly experiencing a jarring personality change because the scene demanded it, but ultimately I don't believe that Scott was playing n-dimensional chess with us. He stops being scared because he is a snake expert and, instead of finding some kind of scary thing, he finds a snake. So he says like “this is a UNIX system! I know this!” The appearance of the snake is reassuring to him.
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Feb 4, 2020 00:29
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:He stops being scared because he is a snake expert and, instead of finding some kind of scary thing, he finds a snake. I want you to know that I love you, and that the only reason cineD hates you is that you hold up the world's largest, clearest mirror to them.
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Feb 4, 2020 00:34
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Breetai posted:If only that was conveyed in the movie somehow. To be fair it’s a post-hoc “explanation” that happens to fit Vickers’ agenda, I’m not sure the movie intended for her to actively sabotage her father. I mean there were probably other ways to do it, like subcontracting the Prometheus’ construction to the lowest bidder so the ship doesn’t function, etc.
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Feb 4, 2020 00:35
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Breetai posted:I want you to know that I love you, and that the only reason cineD hates you is that you hold up the world's largest, clearest mirror to them. I’m not sure what that means, but the mistake is that you are not interpreting the basic onscreen events. -The character is scared. -A snake appears. -The character is no longer scared. Instead of rejecting this entire scenario as impossible (which is silly), it’s effortless to conclude that the appearance of the snake is what caused the character to relax. So what does that tell us about him?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I’m not sure what that means, but the mistake is that you are not interpreting the basic onscreen events. it's a signifier of his homosexual-tinged masculinity; he's most comfortable around dicks rather than vaginas
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Feb 4, 2020 02:37
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it still amazes me that people are shown a private expedition to explore the ancient aliens hypothesis and are surprised when every scientist involved turns out to be bad at science
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Hodgepodge posted:it still amazes me that people are shown a private expedition to explore the ancient aliens hypothesis and are surprised when every scientist involved turns out to be bad at science That's not my point. My point isn't whether his character is or isn't a dumbass, it's that his character is inconsistent. The scenario you describe could be used as the premise for a good movie. It was not.
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Feb 4, 2020 03:27
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:He stops being scared because he is a snake expert and, instead of finding some kind of scary thing, he finds a snake. Goddammit, I think he's got a point here. It makes sense enough to me. But, you also need to factor in that the guy is a loving moron.
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Feb 4, 2020 03:36
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Millburn also believes he's in a suit that will protect him.
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Feb 4, 2020 03:43
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The snake guy has clearly never been to australia
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Feb 4, 2020 04:18
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The mission is so hushed up and secretive that nobody involved knows what it's about until they're at the destination. (Not even Shaw and her boyfriend, ultimately.) Who would sign up for a completely blind journey into deep space? Probably not the best and brightest.
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General Battuta posted:The mission is so hushed up and secretive that nobody involved knows what it's about until they're at the destination. (Not even Shaw and her boyfriend, ultimately.) Who would sign up for a completely blind journey into deep space? Probably not the best and brightest. and yet, that's still a better bet than telling them what the mission is actually about and also the people who do know don't know what weyland is really hoping to get out of it
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They basically set up that these are some of the dumbest motherfuckers cause nobody with half a brain would agree to it.
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He's tired, he's scared, he's high, he's trying to keep his new friend (made through being high) from panicking by showing off, he has the overconfidence granted by a really fancy suit (that poo poo held up in a rock storm that was sending people airborne), and he's dealing with something that behaves juuuust familiarly enough that combined with everything else going on, his mind takes the shortcut straight to "hey, cobras in threat posture aren't fast strikers and have limited range." Unfortunately for him, that shortcut skips over "something that raises straight up to this height is a hell of a lot stronger than an equivalent constrictor." Seems simple enough. and then you add in the cock factor!
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Wasn't it Fiefeild (the rock guy) not Milbourne (the snake guy) who was terrified, and Milbourne just went along with him?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1DXp3AbYo Here's the scene where Fifield freaks out. I always got the impression that Millburn would have stuck around if Fifield hadn't specifically tapped him and asked him, but he's rattled by seeing the bodies.
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Breetai posted:That's not my point. My point isn't whether his character is or isn't a dumbass, it's that his character is inconsistent. How can his character even be inconsistent? He's got like, maybe three or four lines before he dies? I think your issue is that you're putting your own assumptions into the mix and when the character didn't fit that you see it as an inconsistency. What we know is, he is a scientist, and he did some things that we'd consider to be bad or irresponsible science. Is that something that should really take you out of the movie? Do we not have mediocre and even bad scientists here in the real world? The movie gives you like three different explanations as to why these people would not necessarily be at the top of their field, so if you want to ignore all that and just go with your pre-conceived idea of how all scientists act, that's on you.
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Basebf555 posted:The movie gives you like three different explanations as to why these people would not necessarily be at the top of their field, so if you want to ignore all that and just go with your pre-conceived idea of how all scientists act, that's on you. You're a scientist aren't you? What makes you think so? I saw your slide rule. Only scientists carry that kind of weapon. Perhaps I discredited a scientist and took it from him? No one can discredit a scientist. I wish that were so.
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Owlbear Camus posted:You're a scientist aren't you? 
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The snake scene never bugged me but the lame zombie design for the Mission Impossible bad guy did.
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Groovelord Neato posted:The snake scene never bugged me but the lame zombie design for the Mission Impossible bad guy did. The alternate design was a lot better: https://youtu.be/Ireq92-7Kk8
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Groovelord Neato posted:The snake scene never bugged me but the lame zombie design for the Mission Impossible bad guy did. I have very little issues with Prometheus, but this is one. My biggest is the deleted scenes should've stayed in. Very relevant to this discussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHat2vtcfzU literally the first thing he does when he sees an alien is grab it. His character is consistent.
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Xenomrph posted:The alternate design was a lot better: i love this initial design. do you know why they changed it? i love the initial hunched spider pose a lot but it seemed like a chance to have some genuinely freaky kills, instead of just a redshirt slaughterhouse.
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Probably cause it’s hard to suspend disbelief at that thing actually being a human and opening the door to go check.
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alf_pogs posted:i love this initial design. do you know why they changed it? And also he wanted to keep the actor some what there.
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Xenomrph posted:The alternate design was a lot better: This is a ton better. I like the idea that he mutated into some freakish Alien hybrid thing and not a stupid zombie.
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