Dem Presidential Primary 2020: Bernie dropped out, all hail nominee Biden

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Kaboobi: Jan 5, 2005; SHAKE IT BABY!
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jettisonedstuff posted:

So this is just ancient Iowan chuds who now live in the villages, correct?

Yes

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:41

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 00:30

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

How does that work? Like if they live in another state, shouldn't they only be able to vote in the primary for that state? Is this a matter of "well they moved but didn't change their permanent address (yet)"?

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:44

Kaboobi: Jan 5, 2005; SHAKE IT BABY!
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Cicero posted:

How does that work? Like if they live in another state, shouldn't they only be able to vote in the primary for that state? Is this a matter of "well they moved but didn't change their permanent address (yet)"?

Snowbirds who live in Iowa for half the year and have that as the primary address and go to Florida for the winter when it gets colder

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:45

Djarum: Apr 1, 2004; by vyelkin

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because �Socialists like meetings and this a meeting�. :psyduck:

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:45

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

They are at their vacation homes in Florida, primary residence is still in iowa

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:46

Kaal: May 22, 2002; through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Cicero posted:

How does that work? Like if they live in another state, shouldn't they only be able to vote in the primary for that state? Is this a matter of "well they moved but didn't change their permanent address (yet)"?

Why should an American be disenfranchised just because they aren't in Iowa?

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:46

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

Skex posted:

From a strategic standpoint Sanders and Warren coming out as the leading candidates in this race is the best outcome, because it will represent a realignment of the electorate and will force the moderates to move left.

Ultimately who is President matters less than where the center of gravity of the party lands, if the moderates have to move to Warren in order to counter Bernie that weakens the moderates and conservatives in the party. It also sends the message to those who have sympathies that lay further to the left but are afraid that don't have the support with the masses that it's safe to move to the left.

It's just like in 08 where black voters supported Clinton until it became clear that the electorate would indeed vote for a black man.

My preference is for the race to come down to Sanders vs Warren and the "centrists" and "moderates" shut out. Because that shifts the whole loving party.

The problem with this thesis is that:

Warren is a centrist.
If leader of the party, even as a losing Presidential candidate, she will successfully push to pack the DNC and other orgs with centrist establishment shitheels.
Centrist establishment shitheels don't care what progressives think and will not share power even if that means the death of the party, which it eventually will.
The death of the Democratic party will be armageddon for the establishment, of course, but also really bad for progressives in the short and medium terms, as will the process of that death (which we may be witnessing even now).

It really is Bernie or bust.

e: vvv yeah this. I should have just typed this instead of all that other poo poo.

MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Feb 4, 2020

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:46

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Skex posted:

From a strategic standpoint Sanders and Warren coming out as the leading candidates in this race is the best outcome, because it will represent a realignment of the electorate and will force the moderates to move left.

Ultimately who is President matters less than where the center of gravity of the party lands, if the moderates have to move to Warren in order to counter Bernie that weakens the moderates and conservatives in the party. It also sends the message to those who have sympathies that lay further to the left but are afraid that don't have the support with the masses that it's safe to move to the left.

It's just like in 08 where black voters supported Clinton until it became clear that the electorate would indeed vote for a black man.

My preference is for the race to come down to Sanders vs Warren and the "centrists" and "moderates" shut out. Because that shifts the whole loving party.

Warren is a rightwinger and also a lying motherfucker, hth.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:46

Caros: May 14, 2008

Djarum posted:

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because �Socialists like meetings and this a meeting�.

He is so loving sour about it today.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:47

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

https://twitter.com/crulge/status/1224473273548902400?s=20

Politics is back baby. It's good again awouuuuu

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:47

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Grouchio posted:

What makes you think that?

Klob's support is overwhelmingly white.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:47

AhhYes: Dec 1, 2004; * Click *; College Slice

Cerebral Bore posted:

Warren is a rightwinger and also a lying motherfucker, hth.

This sure is a take.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:48

empty whippet box: Jun 9, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Djarum posted:

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because “Socialists like meetings and this a meeting”.

A hahaha I need clip of this

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:49

wandler20: Nov 13, 2002; How many Championships?

Djarum posted:

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because �Socialists like meetings and this a meeting�.

It's comical to watch him just because he's so mad Bernie is doing well.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:49

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

AhhYes posted:

This sure is a take.

Because it's completely true?

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:49

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Djarum posted:

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because �Socialists like meetings and this a meeting�.

checks out

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:49

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

The problem with this thesis is that:

Warren is a centrist.

If leader of the party, even as a losing Presidential candidate, she will successfully push to pack the DNC and other orgs with centrist establishment shitheels.

Centrist establishment shitheels don't care what progressives think and will not share power even if that means the death of the party, which it eventually will.

The death of the Democratic party will be armageddon for the establishment, of course, but also really bad for progressives in the short and medium terms, as will the process of that death (which we may be witnessing even now).

It really is Bernie or bust.

Warren coming out ahead of the centrist morons is still good because they're less likely to coalesce around her, and Bernie is beating her with everyone more progressive, so it's the fastest death spiral for everyone else

Bernie 1
Warren 2

everyone else pounded into dirt

This is the best outcome

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:50

AhhYes: Dec 1, 2004; * Click *; College Slice

Office Pig posted:

Because it's completely true?

I mean it's true in the sense that all American politicians are right wing, but in the context of American politics it's nonsense.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:52

Martman: Nov 20, 2006

Djarum posted:

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because �Socialists like meetings and this a meeting�.

I don't think I've ever heard Chris Matthews say a sentence that made sense or had a good point.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:52

LGD: Sep 25, 2004

Djarum posted:

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because �Socialists like meetings and this a meeting�.

lmao

https://twitter.com/Whatapityonyou/status/1224477865401442310?s=20

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:52

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Their heads are really gonna melt when Bernie wins the NH primary a week from now.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:53

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

AhhYes posted:

I mean it's true in the sense that all American politicians are right wing, but in the context of American politics it's nonsense.

Sorry that I had to break the news to you buddy, but she totally is. Pretending to be a leftist doesn't actually make you one.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:53

Eminai: Apr 29, 2013; I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality.

LGD posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/Whatapityonyou/status/1224477865401442310?s=20

Opinion: Why you should ignore President Sanders' inauguration

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:53

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA

Bernie gon' win.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:54

The North Tower: Aug 20, 2007; You should throw it in the ocean.

LGD posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/Whatapityonyou/status/1224477865401442310?s=20

Straight into my veins!

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:54

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

AhhYes posted:

I mean it's true in the sense that all American politicians are right wing, but in the context of American politics it's nonsense.

Yeah, backing off M4A to hock some non-plan that helps nobody exist your re-election campaign, being more of a hawk than Obama, and trying to play at advocating some pseudo-GND and then coming out with a Yang-esque policy for climate change doesn't even make you "well she's left-wing for America".

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:55

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Eminai posted:

Opinion: Why you should ignore President Sanders' inauguration

Sanders: the president nobody wanted

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:55

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Djarum posted:

Christ. Chris Matthews just now tried to discount Bernie doing well tonight because �Socialists like meetings and this a meeting�.

chris have you seen the dsa, i can safely say that socialists only hate the rich more than meetings

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:56

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

Imagine how much Bernie would be dominating tonight (and how loving smug his stans would be) if Warren had dropped out last month and endorsed him. Thank g*d she stuck with it through Iowa at least. Some humility would do the Bernie crowd a lot of good.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:56

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA

https://twitter.com/LHGarrett/status/467704199883399168

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:56

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Firos posted:

https://twitter.com/crulge/status/1224473273548902400?s=20

Politics is back baby. It's good again awouuuuu

https://twitter.com/EricThurm/status/1224479155863085056

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:57

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

Not like every candidate who gets the nomination also wins the Iowa caucus

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:57

punishedkissinger: Sep 20, 2017

trying to get a read on bernie's power levels right now and

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:58

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Eminai posted:

Opinion: Why you should ignore President Sanders' inauguration

i hope we get a continuation of that period where paul ryan refused to ever admit donald trump existed

chuck schumer: i have never heard of a president in my entire life

# ? Feb 4, 2020 00:58

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