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Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Dad clearly misses the ex husband, he should marry him to completely torpedo the relationship with his daughter

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Peaceful Anarchy
Sep 18, 2005
sXe
I am the math man.

Private Cumshoe posted:

Nothing in the post suggests she has addictive tendencies, the guy is just a freak about opiates for whatever idiosyncratic reason that shouldn't matter to anyone because he isn't her doctor or pharmacist or dom

Don't become a slave to opiates baby, become a slave to me
There's nothing in the post to suggest she doesn't have addictive tendencies either, also even without "addictive tendencies" she can still get addicted.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prescription-drug-abuse/in-depth/how-opioid-addiction-occurs/art-20360372

quote:

Anyone who takes opioids is at risk of developing addiction. Your personal history and the length of time you use opioids play a role, but it's impossible to predict who's vulnerable to eventual dependence on and abuse of these drugs.

Again, this isn't to say he's not a controlling idiot, he is. The way he dealt with this, even if she actually has become an addict, is not appropriate. But just because he's overstating the risk doesn't mean that there's no risk. It being doctor prescribed and monitored doesn't mean there's less risk, it just means that if she does get addicted someone is there to hopefully help her before it becomes a real problem.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Ok, sure sure, but what is ex-husband doing?

Peaceful Anarchy
Sep 18, 2005
sXe
I am the math man.

Smirking_Serpent posted:

AITA for telling my daughter I won’t split my investments intended for my grandson to share with his new stepsiblings because I don’t give a poo poo about them?

my grandsons father in 2018 who by all accounts is a hard working, humble man.

she took off and left my grandson with me and my wife.

He has lost weight, misses his mother and father,
Daughter sounds like trash, but where's hard working humble dad in all of this?

Edit:
I guess I wasn't the only one thinking this. OP replied to someone:

quote:

My grandsons father is in the picture, he is struggling financially and consequently the poor bastard is a living corpse always at work but he makes an effort to come and drive 2 hours each way a couple days a week to see my grandson. Which is more than I can say for his mother. He also makes sure to call, FaceTime, etc, pay for my sons clothing, school supplies and trips etc.

Peaceful Anarchy fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Feb 4, 2020

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

Peaceful Anarchy posted:

There's nothing in the post to suggest she doesn't have addictive tendencies either, also even without "addictive tendencies" she can still get addicted.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prescription-drug-abuse/in-depth/how-opioid-addiction-occurs/art-20360372


Again, this isn't to say he's not a controlling idiot, he is. The way he dealt with this, even if she actually has become an addict, is not appropriate. But just because he's overstating the risk doesn't mean that there's no risk. It being doctor prescribed and monitored doesn't mean there's less risk, it just means that if she does get addicted someone is there to hopefully help her before it becomes a real problem.

Well I hope this hypothetical future addict might get the help she may need if it comes to that, I guess.

People who want to control others' opiate habits are the direct cause of the spike in overdoses in recent years btw

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Smirking_Serpent posted:

My wife and I have purchased some property with the intention of gifting it to my grandson when he turns 18. We have also gifted from our savings into a new bank account (in my wife’s name for the moment) a helpful amount that he will be able to use for college.

If you can outright gift people property hire a financial advisor. Gifting the property ensures the grandson will retain the grandfather's cost basis. Meaning that unless he plans to live there for life he will have to pay capital gains based on the difference in purchase price between what the grandfather paid and what the grandson will eventually sell it for.

Better to place it in a trust or something with instructions that the home pass to the grandson on the death of both grandparents. This will include it in the surviving spouse's estate but unless the grandparents plan to be worth more than ~$11.2 million plus inflation adjustments + annual gifts beyond the exclusion amount it will allow the grandson to save a lot of money on capital gains taxes down the line. This is unlikely; our current estate tax exclusion/Unified Credit means that less than 0.1% of all estates pay estate taxes.

There's other things to consider and each person's financial situation is unique. Such as whether or not an 18 year old can cover property taxes and whether or not allowing the grandson to live there rent free while the grandparents retain ownership will constitute a gift beyond the annual $15,000 exclusion. But that's why you visit your local business hole at your nearest gay bar, where I am always inexplicably present at every hole whenever rich people are in their hour of greatest need like a Bagger Vance who sucks your dick.

cumshitter fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Feb 4, 2020

SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...
Hey!

That's useful advice!

What the gently caress

Do you even know where you are?

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

SomeJazzyRat posted:

Hey!

That's useful advice!

What the gently caress

Do you even know where you are?

Cumshitter is an incredible expert in two fields (or one combined) and generously shares his expertise with some regularity.

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

AITA for getting my friend a strap on as a birthday gift?

Uh I know this sounds weird, but hear me out.

I’m (M20) friends with this guy (M21) as well as a group of others. He’s moved into our area about a year or so ago. So we were all chilling, and I asked him what he wanted for his birthday.

So he told us he’d like a strap.

We asked him if he was serious, and if he actually was into that, and he was like yeah yeah of course. The morning after, after the hangovers had calmed him down, and asked him if he was serious about wanting a strap. He said yes, and then basically went if you don’t get me one it’s fine just lmk.

So I was like gently caress it, if my friend wants a strap on, he’s getting one.

So I got him the strap-on, and he opened it in front of us, and we were giggling a little bit, and he goes what the gently caress is this?

And I was like it’s the strap you asked for, and he loses it. He tells me he meant strap as in a gun and i’m an rear end in a top hat for embarrassing him in front of all our friends, and i should’ve gotten it. trying to salvage me, another friend mentions that we all thought he meant a strap on and he gets angrier.

so reddit, aita for getting my friend a strap-on instead of a gun??

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013
Nap Ghost

cumshitter posted:

If you can outright gift people property hire a financial advisor. Gifting the property ensures the grandson will retain the grandfather's cost basis. Meaning that unless he plans to live there for life he will have to pay capital gains based on the difference in purchase price between what the grandfather paid and what the grandson will eventually sell it for.

Better to place it in a trust or something with instructions that the home pass to the grandson on the death of both grandparents. This will include it in the surviving spouse's estate but unless the grandparents plan to be worth more than ~$11.2 million plus inflation adjustments + annual gifts beyond the exclusion amount it will allow the grandson to save a lot of money on capital gains taxes down the line. This is unlikely; our current estate tax exclusion/Unified Credit means that less than 0.1% of all estates pay estate taxes.

There's other things to consider and each person's financial situation is unique. Such as whether or not an 18 year old can cover property taxes and whether or not allowing the grandson to live there rent free while the grandparents retain ownership will constitute a gift beyond the annual $15,000 exclusion. But that's why you visit your local business hole at your nearest gay bar, where I am always inexplicably present at every hole whenever rich people are in their hour of greatest need like a Bagger Vance who sucks your dick.

Now I’m imagining you as Nightvale’s premiere financial advisor and I can’t get it out of my head.

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
I am personally insulted when I see capital mismanaged by other people. All capital that is not under management is simply capital waiting to be managed. Once all capital is managed the country will be brought under management. Once the country is brought under management all sovereign banks will print money directly into CUM's coffers. Then only the cosmos remains to be managed, and any non-human species that have not developed a conception of currency will be taught how to create capital for management.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Smirking_Serpent posted:

AITA for getting my friend a strap on as a birthday gift?

Uh I know this sounds weird, but hear me out.

I’m (M20) friends with this guy (M21) as well as a group of others. He’s moved into our area about a year or so ago. So we were all chilling, and I asked him what he wanted for his birthday.

So he told us he’d like a strap.

We asked him if he was serious, and if he actually was into that, and he was like yeah yeah of course. The morning after, after the hangovers had calmed him down, and asked him if he was serious about wanting a strap. He said yes, and then basically went if you don’t get me one it’s fine just lmk.

So I was like gently caress it, if my friend wants a strap on, he’s getting one.

So I got him the strap-on, and he opened it in front of us, and we were giggling a little bit, and he goes what the gently caress is this?

And I was like it’s the strap you asked for, and he loses it. He tells me he meant strap as in a gun and i’m an rear end in a top hat for embarrassing him in front of all our friends, and i should’ve gotten it. trying to salvage me, another friend mentions that we all thought he meant a strap on and he gets angrier.

so reddit, aita for getting my friend a strap-on instead of a gun??

what an incredibly thoughtful friend group

Fuck Your Website
Nov 29, 2003
FUCK YOU, AND FUCK YOUR WEBSITE
Cumshitter for president, unironically

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

AITA for blowing up at a coworker and calling her a "stupid bitch"?

So I have been at this work for a little over a year, there was this girl that came in about 5 months ago. She did not like me off the bat, literally the second day she asked me to do something that was against company policy and basically illegal. When I told her no she lost it and hated me ever since. She made the 5 months she was at my work living hell.

Calling HR on me any chance she got just to waste my time, yell at me in my office knowing that cause she was friends with the boss nothing was gonna happen to her. She also one time stole my pack of cigarettes and stomped on them saying that they are "bad for me". After that the boss had enough of her and gave her a 2 week notice to leave.

Today was her final day and she decided to have her last go around at me. I was just talking on the phone with my buddy when she comes in and starts yelling at me saying how I'm not "doing my job". At this point I had enough and said "Listen here you stupid bitch, you have made my work life lovely for 5 months and I've done nothing to you. So how about you get your laid off rear end out of my loving office". She started yelling and had to be escorted out of my office.

Me, her and everyone who heard the whole commotion have to write our side of the events to the boss. Everyone is on my side and she's just crazy, and have my back on this. My buddies (that aren't coworkers) say that I was a bit too harsh but they just don't know how she made 5 months at work lovely

AITA?

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

gently caress Your Website posted:

Cumshitter for president, unironically

Good news, he's currently tied for the lead in official Iowa caucus results.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Smirking_Serpent posted:

AITA for blowing up at a coworker and calling her a "stupid bitch"?

AITA?

OP is a drat fool.

Only had to hold his tongue for a few more hours and he would have been in the clear.

cumshitter
Sep 27, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
All will know the Cosmos Under Management flag and its armada of high frequency trading starships to be the bringers of peace and securities price stabilization that they are. Once freed from the concerns of material wealth all living creatures will be free to endeavor in the highest and most spiritual of pursuits: Being gay.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


cumshitter posted:

All will know the Cosmos Under Management flag and its armada of high frequency trading starships to be the bringers of peace and securities price stabilization that they are. Once freed from the concerns of material wealth all living creatures will be free to endeavor in the highest and most spiritual of pursuits: Being gay.

you have my vote o7

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

WIBTA for missing my daughter’s wedding to prepare for the bar exam?

I’m a non-traditional 3L attending a law school on the East Coast. Previously, I spent about two decades working in a separate but related field, and becoming an attorney has been a long-desired career change for me. My ex and I had our daughter when I was in my late teens, and while I was able to finish my undergraduate degree, I found it incredibly challenging to juggle being a parent and a full-time student, and I opted to postpone all further education until my daughter was an adult and I could devote my full attention to my studies.

My daughter and her fiance live in California, where they plan to get married, and recently announced that they’ve set their wedding date for Sunday, July 26, and put a deposit down on their venue. Unfortunately, this falls two days before I’m scheduled to take my state’s bar exam. I was not consulted about the date in advance. I asked if the date could be moved to a different weekend and was told no because it coincides with the availability of a big chunk of her fiancé’s extended family, who are traveling from out of the country, and the venue was already booked for Friday and Saturday that weekend.

This creates a huge problem, because I really need to dedicate the last few days prior to the exam to studying, and I’m concerned that if I spend that Monday traveling, I’ll go into the exam the next day exhausted and run the risk of failing. I tried to explain this to my daughter, but she became very angry and upset and said if I really cared about her, I would be there. I do care about her! I do want to be there! And if it were any other weekend, I absolutely would be there.

I feel absolutely terrible about the timing, and I’ve tried to come up with some compromises — I offered to fly out a few weeks beforehand to assist her with wedding planning, fly out and spend time with the two of them when they get back from their honeymoon, and Skype or FaceTime in to the rehearsal dinner, ceremony, and reception. She rejected all of these options and said I need to find a way to be physically present. But given the circumstances, I just don’t see how I can. WIBTA?

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Smirking_Serpent posted:

AITA for blowing up at a coworker and calling her a "stupid bitch"?

Reddit I decided to risk my livelihood to tell off a workplace rival on her literal last day on the job in a way that will professionally undermine every interaction I have with my coworkers going forward, AITA?

Seriously - the person sounds awful, but taking the high road here only makes you look better. You have an office with a door, be a loving grown up.

Entorwellian
Jun 30, 2006

Northern Flicker
Anna's Hummingbird

Sorry, but the people have spoken.



DemoneeHo posted:

AITA for telling my friend he might be bisexual?


Is he a member of Wicked Sceptre?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxC17VaTtUE

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Smirking_Serpent posted:

WIBTA for missing my daughter’s wedding to prepare for the bar exam?

If you're gonna be a lawyer, might as well get a head start.


Seriously, can't you study really hard and be solid enough to not cram the weekend before?

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Flights right before a big exam loving suck

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Smirking_Serpent posted:

AITA for getting my friend a strap on as a birthday gift?

Strap on friend seems to have no sense of humor.

Also I'm not going to pretend to know anything about US gun laws, but isn't buying a gun for someone else really illegal? Or is that a state by state thing?

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

HardDiskD posted:

Strap on friend seems to have no sense of humor.

Also I'm not going to pretend to know anything about US gun laws, but isn't buying a gun for someone else really illegal? Or is that a state by state thing?

Buying a gun for someone else because they couldn’t buy one themselves (as in they’re a felon or underage) is super illegal, but giving guns as gifts is permitted. However, if someone asks you to buy them a gun, you are obligated to say “you’ll shoot your eye out, kid!”

PancakeTransmission
May 27, 2007

You gotta improvise, Lisa: cloves, Tom Collins mix, frozen pie crust...


Plaster Town Cop

Smirking_Serpent posted:

AITA for getting my friend a strap on as a birthday gift?
Deserves it for saying "strap" instead of like "gun" or "shooty pew pew"

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

PancakeTransmission posted:

Deserves it for saying "strap" instead of like "replacement penis"

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


avoid doorways
Jun 6, 2010

'twas brillig
Gun Saliva
:emptyquote:

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Peaceful Anarchy posted:

There's nothing in the post to suggest she doesn't have addictive tendencies either, also even without "addictive tendencies" she can still get addicted.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prescription-drug-abuse/in-depth/how-opioid-addiction-occurs/art-20360372


Again, this isn't to say he's not a controlling idiot, he is. The way he dealt with this, even if she actually has become an addict, is not appropriate. But just because he's overstating the risk doesn't mean that there's no risk. It being doctor prescribed and monitored doesn't mean there's less risk, it just means that if she does get addicted someone is there to hopefully help her before it becomes a real problem.

Nobody was saying there's no risk to using opiods.

Suggesting that she needs to prove a total negative to justify taking medications as prescribed by her physician kinda messed up. Like, its something I'd expect the medication-stealing boyfriend to say. "I can't give you these pain pills that you need until you prove you don't have an addiction to them (by not needing them)."

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
AITA for yelling at my wife for being unhelpful while I took our son to the ER for a broken arm?

quote:

My wife (33F) is a SAHM with our son (4M) and we also have a daughter (6F) in school. Last Friday I get a frantic call from my wife around noon that our son fell off the top bunk while she wasn’t looking and now his arm looks really really swollen.

So I find him crying and holding an incredibly swollen, red arm sitting on the ground and refuses to let anyone touch it. My wife is sitting on the couch crying and saying how his arm looks so bad. I pick him up to go to the emergency room. I try to dress him since he can’t open his arms and ask her to get the car seat ready. She doesn’t move and keeps crying. I give up and do the best I can and call for my wife to get in...she just sobs and shakes her head saying “I can’t I can’t.” So I drive off without her.

I got really annoyed at my wife at this point. We get to the hospital and they want to run him through some X-rays and he’s screaming bloody murder. Around 3pm I get a call from my daughter’s school saying that no one’s picked her up (my wife’s job) so I call my wife. No one picks up. I call 3-4 more times before I rush out to the school. My son was inconsolable at me leaving him. Even the doctors were confused why I had to leave so soon.

I get home with my daughter and rush in to find my wife STILL CRYING on the phone to her sister. I absolutely let loose and yelled “where the gently caress were you??? Why didn’t you answer my calls?” She’s shocked and just screams at me back that she’s overwhelmed and can’t handle all this right now. I get our daughter out and tell my wife to look after her. My daughter is crying because mom’s crying and hangs on to my legs wanting to go with me. My wife makes no move to help me so I just ended up bringing our daughter with me to the hospital.

The next day while our kids were both sleeping I couldn’t hold back and yelled at my wife for being absolutely zero help. She got equally mad and told me I humiliated her in front of her sister (when I yelled when she was on the phone) and that I should’ve been more considerate of the fact that she is really bad in emergencies. While I know she’s not great in emergencies, this was something else and I felt like I didn’t have a partner at all.

Now she wants an emergency couples counseling session to “address my rage” but I am honestly conflicted. I’ve never yelled at her before and I do feel guilty but I also feel like these circumstances were extreme. However I did apologize for yelling and wonder if I made things worse. AITA?
Guy's been super active in the comments, which is less usual for throwaway accts:

quote:

My first post got too long and was deleted the first time but a lot more happened in between. In total I called her more than 30 times that day. She answered 4 of those calls. She was also posting on Facebook between 3-6pm when I was still in the hospital but calling her repeatedly to have her bring our daughter home because she was getting tired and hungry.

I ended up getting our teenaged babysitter to help drive my daughter home, cook, and put her to bed in the end. I was mad that a teenager was ultimately more dependable than my wife. My wife says social media and talking to her sis were her coping strategies but I feel like as a parent in an emergency you don’t have the luxury of self-soothing when your kids are still in pain.

quote:

She actually wasn’t panicking when I first left for the ER. She was standing in the doorway waving us off. Then when I came home later that night with my son and his little cast she was perfectly fine and laughing at some Netflix show even. While I felt like I just shaved a few years off my life from the stress.

So, uh, Murder? On second thought & looking through it again, its probably a strawman shitpost of some sort. Thread's locked, and I just can't imagine a person so cartoonishly in the wrong.

Serephina fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Feb 4, 2020

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

quote:

My (37m) girlfriend (40f) is limiting how often I can see her daughters because of my anger.
u/medical-property40m
We've been together for 6 years, and until 10 months ago we were all living together. I consider her daughters (15f, 11f) my stepdaughters.



A year ago my girlfriend caught me having an emotional affair with my administrative assistant at work. It was stupid on my part. I hated my job and she was a ray of sunshine at work. She was lonely and flirtatious and clearly into me. I was having fun (we didn't even kiss) but it meant nothing to me. I knew it was going nowhere. But she did send a couple of risqué photos which I enjoyed and used. This is what my girlfriend found and all hell broke loose.



She reacted as though I'd been having an affair. She stopped sleeping with me and started exploring the possibility of moving out. I was very upset and reacted poorly. She felt this woman actually meant something to me (she absolutely didn't). I was on edge and angry a lot during that time and in the end she felt it would be better if she moved out "for a while" for space. She moved into an apartment with the girls and took a "see where it goes" approach. I was heartbroken.



We still get together a lot. My girlfriend still sees me regularly. But in the 10 months since she's left, we've never slept together again. She goes to therapy. I go to therapy. We haven't started couple's therapy because (a) it's all so expensive, and (b) we are trying to work on ourselves first.



I still don't know where our relationship is going exactly. The girls still come by at least a couple of times a week. I still think of them as my family.



However, my girlfriend is limiting how often I can see them. She says my anger management issues (of which I agree are a problem sometimes, and that's what I'm working on) scare them and she no longer wants them around me if there's any chance of stress. So therefore, if I'm doing some renovations in the garage and we are all supposed to get together the day, she won't bring them because "there's a chance" I will have a tantrum over some renovation issue.



I do need to learn to control my anger better. I tend to snap easily. But is that any reason to limit how often I can be with my family? I'm not dangerous. She says I cause them anxiety. Is this relationship over? If so, why is she still seeing me every day (but not sleeping with me)?



tldr: partner limits how often I can see my step daughters because I have poor anger management

:qq: why am I being punished for my actions????

Dazerbeams
Jul 8, 2009

Lolol, I received sexy photos from a coworker and jerked it to them but I’m innocent!

sephiRoth IRA
Jun 13, 2007

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."

-Carl Sagan

Serephina posted:

AITA for yelling at my wife for being unhelpful while I took our son to the ER for a broken arm?

Guy's been super active in the comments, which is less usual for throwaway accts:



So, uh, Murder? On second thought & looking through it again, its probably a strawman shitpost of some sort. Thread's locked, and I just can't imagine a person so cartoonishly in the wrong.

We can only hope, that woman is a monster otherwise :(

avoid doorways
Jun 6, 2010

'twas brillig
Gun Saliva

Serephina posted:

AITA for yelling at my wife for being unhelpful while I took our son to the ER for a broken arm?

My wife is sitting on the couch crying and saying how his arm looks so bad. I pick him up to go to the emergency room. I try to dress him since he can’t open his arms and ask her to get the car seat ready. She doesn’t move and keeps crying. I give up and do the best I can and call for my wife to get in...she just sobs and shakes her head saying “I can’t I can’t.” So I drive off without her.

[...]


She actually wasn’t panicking when I first left for the ER. She was standing in the doorway waving us off.

:confused:

TERRIBLE SHITLORD
Oct 20, 2005


MY NIGGA HAVE
YOU TRIED LSD
loving hell

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.
It's strange to call your girlfriend's kids your stepchildren. Also, emotional affairs are never meaningless.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
Yeah, I was on that guy's side until the contradictions and the obvious after-the-fact addition of a babysitter out of nowhere. Reason being is that my sister was absolutely useless when her younger daughter fell off the top of one of those plastic houses with a slide and broke her arm on the patio. She just kept yelling and crying and trying to pull on the arm while everyone else was trying to get her into the car and to the emergency room.

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a very large fish
Oct 18, 2012

Serephina posted:

AITA for yelling at my wife for being unhelpful while I took our son to the ER for a broken arm?

So, uh, Murder? On second thought & looking through it again, its probably a strawman shitpost of some sort. Thread's locked, and I just can't imagine a person so cartoonishly in the wrong.
I can believe it. Sometimes people completely dissociate during an emergency because they're not equipped to handle the stress. It's pretty common.
It's like that nightclub fire where poo poo starts burning and people just stood there ordering drinks and poo poo until it was completely out of control. Then they stampeded to the door and crushed each other.

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