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Ginger Beer Belly posted:And this is also why Iowa still has a caucus system. If Iowa were to change from a caucus to a primary, New Hampshire's law would kick in to make them pursue going before Iowa. As long as Iowa's system is not a primary, they can continue to be "first in the nation". maybe not after tonight!
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Grouchio posted:Do you think this clusterfuck will negatively impact future turnout in the remainder of the primaries? Nah, just that Iowa gave pundits ammo to write it off as too incompetent to trust electorally.
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Nonsense posted:The caucus is dead folks. Congrats.
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Feb 4, 2020 08:15
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Oh wow has the CIA seen this screenshot of a text message yet
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so turnout was low, which is bad but based on the google sheet and bernie's (and to an extent pete's) own numbers, bernie killed it and biden imploded, which is good did all the lovely people just not turn up?
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Nobody steals from Klob and lives to talk about it
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smoobles posted:Oh wow has the CIA seen this screenshot of a text message yet No, but my uncle who works at Nintendo has, and he confirms.
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This is going to be a long loving year.
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The media message will focus on the Iowa polls themselves being a shambles and an unexpectedly strong showing from Buttigieg.
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Looks like Pete’s campaign manager is a big fan of Scandal (I don’t think Pete himself would tell the app devs to steal votes but I can imagine staffers doing it)
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so goddamn glad i live in real state where i will just send in my mail in ballot like a normal person.Clipperton posted:so turnout was low, which is bad olds didn't show up as much as expected. they're a large amount of the electorate, so even a slight dip in their participation means turnout goes down. the trillion dollar question, of course, is whether this was just weird iowa poo poo or indicative of broader trends.
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Feb 4, 2020 08:18
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empty whippet box posted:Sounds like fanfiction I think it was this pic from about 6 pages back where the delegate math was hosed up by a caucus chair. Nonsense posted:
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I just can’t emphasize enough how absolutely insane it is that some 4-5 hours later, we don’t have a SINGLE piece of data out of the Iowa Democratic Party. They haven’t verified the results of a SINGLE caucus site yet? And if they have and they’re just not releasing it, that’s somehow even worse. When people are accusing you of not being transparent, you should, you know, be as transparent as possible.
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Feb 4, 2020 08:19
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This is the funniest thing imaginable, lmao
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logger posted:I think it was this pic from about 6 pages back where the delegate math was hosed up by a caucus chair. oh na sorry, that pic was just because pete staffer posted the loving PIN numbers on twitter lol that text tweet might have gotten the idea off it tho
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Feb 4, 2020 08:19
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Gonna try to inflame Biden supporters about this poo poo without mentioning Bernie, try to get #mayorcheat trending and have libs talking about the Shadow bullshit
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yeah, I believe it 100%, every non-Sanders candidate had a ace up the ol sleeve to cheat the results and now they're pissed that Butty's tactic won. ok, good.
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Djarum posted:Even if his campaign did absolutely nothing wrong the coincidences are a little too hard for a lot of people to overlook, the optics look like poo poo and it is going to make everything he does going forward suspect at best. He would have been better off being third or forth now. His campaign is now going to be poisoned for the rest of it's life. Yeah. The campaign that killed the last poll that had him third also has extensive ties to the app developer that hosed up the results this badly, and then, to compound the issue, it is the same campaign that comes out and flat out declares victory. So: 1- If this had happened in any other country, or if this had happened in the republican primaries, everyone would have been absolutely certain that wrongdoing was involved. 2- More importantly, let's think of the counterfactual here. Let's say it wasn't Buttigieg's campaign doing this, but one of the outsider ones. If Bernie, or Yang, or Tulsi had ties to the app maker, had killed a poll, and had declared victory. Would the media have passively accepted it as they have with Buttigieg? Would Perez or the DNC be going just "oops?" It doesn't matter if this was done intentionally or just incompetence. It doesn't matter if vote totals have been changed or not. It doesn't matter if this just means a delay in getting the vote totals out instead. There was a campaign that had ties to the vote compiling app and we didn't know about it until this massive gently caress up. The fact that the Buttigieg campaign isn't under intense scrutiny by the party given all of this IS the rigging. They may not change a single vote, but the fact that he doesn't pay any price is per se evidence of the rigging. Also, let's all thank Obama for going out of his way to make sure Perez was the DNC chair.
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quote:Troy Price is an American political strategist and LGBT rights advocate who has served as the Chair of the Iowa Democratic Party since his election in July 2017. Price worked in the administration of Iowa Governor Chet Culver, and later served as a press aide for Tom Vilsack.[2] Price served as Iowa Director for the Barack Obama 2012 presidential campaign and the Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign.[3]
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empty whippet box posted:Sounds like fanfiction seriously. can we not do this? if something like that really happened it'll explode soon enough, we don't have to rely on text screenshots from @420_bern_it of whoever.
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Kill Bristol posted:olds didn't show up as much as expected. they're a large amount of the electorate, so even a slight dip in their participation means turnout goes down. the trillion dollar question, of course, is whether this was just weird iowa poo poo or indicative of broader trends. depending on what websites they read they may have been afraid of catching coronavirus from yang
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Has NH ever been taken to court over that law? I’d kind of like to see a state do the same thing just to make a court invalidate both of them.
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Nonsense posted:that text tweet might have gotten the idea off it tho That is what I am thinking as well, that's why I brought it up.
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Mahoning posted:I just can’t emphasize enough how absolutely insane it is that some 4-5 hours later, we don’t have a SINGLE piece of data out of the Iowa Democratic Party. They haven’t verified the results of a SINGLE caucus site yet? At the beginning of our caucus session, the chair announced that the Polk county Dems had printed 30,000 voter registration forms, and that all of them had been used, necessitating printing of new ones on the fly. It seemed to be a pretty apt representation of both unprecedented demand, and failure to prepare by the party.
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Mahoning posted:I just can’t emphasize enough how absolutely insane it is that some 4-5 hours later, we don’t have a SINGLE piece of data out of the Iowa Democratic Party. They haven’t verified the results of a SINGLE caucus site yet? Presumably whatever exactly has gone wrong has really made them poo poo bricks, and they want to ensure that all ducks are in a row before they talk, but god drat.
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I'm not going to lie, this disaster has me really afraid. This could rip open every wound in the Dem party base, and if Pete or anyone else tries to stoke that for an edge it could lead to the kind of primary that leaves the losers so bitter they ACTUALLY stay home.
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quote:It's weird that you're posting things like this when the results aren't in yet, but whatever. Anyway, unrelated, do you have any comment on your campaign reportedly paying the firm that developed the app that caused the results to not be available yet?
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Sanguinia posted:I'm not going to lie, this disaster has me really afraid. This could rip open every wound in the Dem party base, and if Pete or anyone else tries to stoke that for an edge it could lead to the kind of primary that leaves the losers so bitter they ACTUALLY stay home. The prize is seeing the right wing destroy the planet.
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1stGear posted:This is going to be a long loving year. welcome to the worst year ever we're gonna make it through together or not
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Why are they all so open about their secret ratfucking operation
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These Iowa polling sites are really something else.
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My Pete sits in the back of the limousine My Pete comes in a wrapper of cellophane My Pete pouts on the cover of the magazine My Pete's a shallow little bitch trying to make the scene I have arrived and this time you should believe the hype I listened to everyone now I know that everyone was right I'll be there for you as long as it works for me I play a game It's called insincerity Ratfuckers
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