Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/ShadowIncHQ/status/1214230144447111169?s=20

dead gay comedy forums posted:

genuine thanks for replying, so I am going to add my own quips to your considerations

- Brazil is larger than the US when discounted Alaska, and sure, there are many loving problems in terms of electoral systems and the breadth of territory involved, but I don't think even a few of those can be attributed to conventions such as national voting in one day

- I meant that there would be an electoral day with proper periods of preparation that would be as culturally appropriate as possible, like, if a candidate would require one year to go across the country, then sure, give them a year

- About party affiliation, yeah, I don't understand how that works for you, but that doesn't mean that Republicans can vote for Democrat candidates and vice-versa? Like, here and in other countries that I am a bit familiar with, most parties have a general membership that votes on what candidates they want to stand for election, and that doesn't seem controversial at all, at least that is my impression

joepinetree posted:

Yeah. The campaign that killed the last poll that had him third also has extensive ties to the app developer that hosed up the results this badly, and then, to compound the issue, it is the same campaign that comes out and flat out declares victory.

So:

1- If this had happened in any other country, or if this had happened in the republican primaries, everyone would have been absolutely certain that wrongdoing was involved.

2- More importantly, let's think of the counterfactual here. Let's say it wasn't Buttigieg's campaign doing this, but one of the outsider ones. If Bernie, or Yang, or Tulsi had ties to the app maker, had killed a poll, and had declared victory. Would the media have passively accepted it as they have with Buttigieg? Would Perez or the DNC be going just "oops?"

It doesn't matter if this was done intentionally or just incompetence. It doesn't matter if vote totals have been changed or not. It doesn't matter if this just means a delay in getting the vote totals out instead. There was a campaign that had ties to the vote compiling app and we didn't know about it until this massive gently caress up. The fact that the Buttigieg campaign isn't under intense scrutiny by the party given all of this IS the rigging. They may not change a single vote, but the fact that he doesn't pay any price is per se evidence of the rigging.

Also, let's all thank Obama for going out of his way to make sure Perez was the DNC chair.

Sanguinia posted:

I'm not going to lie, this disaster has me really afraid. This could rip open every wound in the Dem party base, and if Pete or anyone else tries to stoke that for an edge it could lead to the kind of primary that leaves the losers so bitter they ACTUALLY stay home.

joepinetree posted:

Yeah. The campaign that killed the last poll that had him third also has extensive ties to the app developer that hosed up the results this badly, and then, to compound the issue, it is the same campaign that comes out and flat out declares victory.

So:

1- If this had happened in any other country, or if this had happened in the republican primaries, everyone would have been absolutely certain that wrongdoing was involved.

2- More importantly, let's think of the counterfactual here. Let's say it wasn't Buttigieg's campaign doing this, but one of the outsider ones. If Bernie, or Yang, or Tulsi had ties to the app maker, had killed a poll, and had declared victory. Would the media have passively accepted it as they have with Buttigieg? Would Perez or the DNC be going just "oops?"

It doesn't matter if this was done intentionally or just incompetence. It doesn't matter if vote totals have been changed or not. It doesn't matter if this just means a delay in getting the vote totals out instead. There was a campaign that had ties to the vote compiling app and we didn't know about it until this massive gently caress up. The fact that the Buttigieg campaign isn't under intense scrutiny by the party given all of this IS the rigging. They may not change a single vote, but the fact that he doesn't pay any price is per se evidence of the rigging.

Also, let's all thank Obama for going out of his way to make sure Perez was the DNC chair.

Nonsense posted:

oh na sorry, that pic was just because pete staffer posted the loving PIN numbers on twitter lol

that text tweet might have gotten the idea off it tho

Josh Lyman posted:

If Pete comes in 2nd by a non-trivial amount, any chance people will compare his victory declaration to the Dean Scream?

Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1224585636839141383?s=20

Boom.

Josh Lyman posted:

If Pete comes in 2nd by a non-trivial amount, any chance people will compare his victory declaration to the Dean Scream?

Ms Adequate posted:

Presumably whatever exactly has gone wrong has really made them poo poo bricks, and they want to ensure that all ducks are in a row before they talk, but god drat.

Ginger Beer Belly posted:

I'm going to charitably assume that this was a hot take in the midst of some wild poo poo happening, but please don't do this. Takes like this result in me and others disregarding all contributions from you.

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America, something went wrong here tonight and it wasn’t just an app. If an app goes down, there are such things as telephones. Then a moderate candidate came out and made this weird victory speech, while MSM started talking about what a good night this was for Mike Bloomberg.

Sanguinia posted:

I'm not going to lie, this disaster has me really afraid. This could rip open every wound in the Dem party base, and if Pete or anyone else tries to stoke that for an edge it could lead to the kind of primary that leaves the losers so bitter they ACTUALLY stay home.

FRINGE posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1224585636839141383

Craptacular! posted:

Has NH ever been taken to court over that law?

I’d kind of like to see a state do the same thing just to make a court invalidate both of them.

Apocalypse posted:

-It's not the physical size of the US that is the main problem (though it is part of it). Its the different media markets. The country is divided into many different media markets and the campaigns must pay to advertise in each of them, when they are trying to win a nomination / election. Some markets are more expensive than others. Usually this is proportional to how many people live within a market (as far as I can tell). Having the candidates compete in small media markets at the start. like Iowa and New Hampshire, allows for cash-poor candidates to have a shot of attracting attention. Most candidates haven't even bothered to put up an ad in 85% of the country at this point, and that's a good thing.

GonadTheBallbarian posted:

naw, he's just the figurehead. It's actually a state law that NH has to have the FITN primary, so when other states move their dates, NH by law has to go "oops, it's voting day!"

Sanguinia posted:

I'm not going to lie, this disaster has me really afraid. This could rip open every wound in the Dem party base, and if Pete or anyone else tries to stoke that for an edge it could lead to the kind of primary that leaves the losers so bitter they ACTUALLY stay home.

Honj Steak posted:

LOL America please don’t do app voting.

Honj Steak posted:

LOL America please don’t do app voting.

Atopian posted:

So... hypothetically, what would happen if another state also adopted a law like that? Would the election day instantly turn out to have been infinity days ago for both states?

Just seems weird to have a state law that implicitly binds other states.

Chimp_On_Stilts posted:

Yeah, this seems like the most likely scenario for why they are now taking their sweet time to release any results at all: the app + phone line breakdown, in the face of accusations of deliberate unfairness (esp. in 2016) has scared the everliving gently caress out of the Democratic party, so they're carefully reviewing everything by hand and will release when it's all done and verified.

From a risk management perspective, it's probably the right move. At this point, a third major breakdown where they released wrong results because they were trying to be fast would be apocalyptic - like, it might actually destroy the state party and possibly the national party. It would be a coup for disinformation peddlers and would be a horrific own-goal in the effort to beat Trump.

It makes sense that someone would demand everything be done at turtle speed, making sure to check every detail and review things before stating anything publicly.

Speculation on my part. I have zero inside info.

Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1224590742892482561?s=20

FRINGE posted:

Djarum posted:

Exactly. Thankfully it seems that most of the public are at least becoming aware of the mess likely being Buttigieg's fault. He likely sunk now.

This will leave Bernie, Warren and Klob for NH. Biden might come back a bit with a Buttigieg implosion, but I think most of those votes would go to Warren or likely Klob.

Bloomberg is hoping for a Super Tuesday win right?

eXXon posted:

This is like putting the world tiniest band-aid on the gaping festering cross-country wound that is the absurd piles of cash spent in US elections.

joepinetree posted:

1- If this had happened in any other country, or if this had happened in the republican primaries, everyone would have been absolutely certain that wrongdoing was involved.

Wiltsghost posted:

What???