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maffew buildings posted:They're going to have a contested convention or whatever it's called, do everything to ensure bernie doesn't get nominated, lose to trump again and then go haywire doing everything to prevent any more progressives/getting rid of the ones there. Everyone under 40 will be told this is our fault. They havent even hid it https://twitter.com/donnabrazile/status/1033442716380803072?s=20
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Acebuckeye13 posted:also as an aside I get really annoyed when I see people throwing around the term ratfucking these days because comparing the extremely mild poo poo the DNC has maybe done or is doing to the insane poo poo the Nixon campaign and CREEP were getting up to is like comparing a middle school play to loving Hamilton. Subversion of democracy doesn't meet your high standards for "political sabotage or dirty tricks?"
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Acebuckeye13 posted:also as an aside I get really annoyed when I see people throwing around the term ratfucking these days because comparing the extremely mild poo poo the DNC has maybe done or is doing to the insane poo poo the Nixon campaign and CREEP were getting up to is like comparing a middle school play to loving Hamilton. Sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks
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is this bullshit or nah https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224561674679488513
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McNally posted:Subversion of democracy doesn't meet your high standards for "political sabotage or dirty tricks?" What in the world do you think the DNC has done that is on the same level as forgery, wiretapping, burglary, or loving: Platystemon posted:Sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks
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Buttigieg has declared himself victor. No results have been announced. He can go gently caress himself.
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Patware posted:is this bullshit or nah Looks legit. Ready for the cherry? https://twitter.com/timtakestime/status/1224568968981237762?s=20
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Acebuckeye13 posted:What in the world do you think the DNC has done that is on the same level as forgery, wiretapping, burglary, or loving: It doesn't have to be as bad as Nixon to still be really loving bad.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:What in the world do you think the DNC has done that is on the same level as forgery, wiretapping, burglary, or loving: this post has already potentially aged extremely badly
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people only live in iowa to matter 1 time every 4 years
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ded posted:people only live in iowa to matter 1 time every 4 years Hey. Some of them really like corn.
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Fister Roboto posted:It doesn't have to be as bad as Nixon to still be really loving bad. hmm yes, all the things the DNC has done like... changing some debate rules to let the guy no one likes anyway on stage. a miscarriage of democracy, for sure. gently caress I hate all this conspiratorial poo poo. Like tonight, old people who don't understand technology placed their faith in an app and didn't properly vet it or test it. This isn't hard to understand, but loving everyone is jumping at the bit to declare the DNC (an organization that isn't even running this election!) is somehow rigging results in one of the only loving elections where you can see how people voted. e: https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/1224570775719632897?s=19
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Also: Sanders' internal numbers: https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1224578978767347713?s=19
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I'm skeptical that Iowa even exists. WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS PEOPLE
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Hannibal Rex posted:Speaking as an Unamerican, what would happen if Bernie decided to ditch the Democrats and run as an Independent? He'd lose and take the Democratic nominee with him. See also 1992 (Clinton, Bush, and Perot), and 1912 (Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson. Probably the most relevant example - Taft was the incumbent but Roosevelt wanted a third term and walked out of the convention when the party decided to nominate Taft in spite of Roosevelt's popular support, and then Roosevelt and Taft ended up splitting the Republican and Progressive votes, allowing Wilson to win a plurality in enough states to take the Electoral College).
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Hannibal Rex posted:Speaking as an Unamerican, what would happen if Bernie decided to ditch the Democrats and run as an Independent? There are Sore Loser laws that would keep him off the ballot in many states.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:What in the world do you think the DNC has done that is on the same level as forgery, wiretapping, burglary, or loving: Don't put words in my mouth. "Ratfucking" is a big loving circle and both fall under it.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I'm skeptical that Iowa even exists. If this singlehandedly kills the Iowa caucus, which it's looking like it will, then it may very well have been worth it.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:shame Abbie Hoffman isn't still around, he'd show you folks what a real contested convention looks like. Good. gently caress the Iowa caucus, gently caress caucusing in general, it's literally one of the stupidest ways to primary that I've ever loving heard of.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If this singlehandedly kills the Iowa caucus, which it's looking like it will, then it may very well have been worth it. Hmmmm...yes worth it for sure
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McNally posted:Don't put words in my mouth. "Ratfucking" is a big loving circle and both fall under it. I mean the problem here is that, while I understand what you're saying, if the definition of Ratfucking has become so large that it encompasses everything to "mildly objectionable actions by a political body" to "federal crimes that have been undertaken to undermine or discredit a candidate," it's a worthless definition.
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the hits start coming and they don't stop coming https://twitter.com/varun_mathur/status/1224564143497322496
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Patware posted:the hits start coming and they don't stop coming Whatever this was, it's gone now. Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean the problem here is that, while I understand what you're saying, if the definition of Ratfucking has become so large that it encompasses everything to "mildly objectionable actions by a political body" to "federal crimes that have been undertaken to undermine or discredit a candidate," it's a worthless definition. I get your point, but it sure as poo poo looks like the DNC is trying to deny Sanders the nomination despite what primary voters want. That's definitely ratfucking.
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“Ratfucking” was first used in student elections. I can’t say I know exactly how cutthroat elections were at the University of Southern California, but I think it’s safe to say that they were less serious than the things Nixon got up to.
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The Iowa caucus being an absolute shitshow for the democrats is one of the most mundane things that I had expected in 2020 so good show! Also Bernie would of/could of/should of won/win
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McNally posted:Whatever this was, it's gone now. it looked like screenshots of the app that caused the whole mess, which looked horrific and glitchy, but current word is nobody was actually able to source it so it was probably misinformation i got too excited by
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Platystemon posted:“Ratfucking” was first used in student elections. It comes from those student elections because the participants of those elections are the ones who went on to run Nixon's campaign. McNally posted:Whatever this was, it's gone now. The tweet was a screenshot claiming to be the app used, but from what I've seen on Twitter tonight I think they accidentally posted a screenshot of the app Sanders used. As to the DNC... look, I honestly don't think they are. I think that Tom Perez et al are trying to play a balancing act between donors angry they aren't shutting down Sanders, and Sanders supporters who are convinced the DNC is trying to shut them down. It's a thankless task made more difficult by the many different organizations that actually make up the Democratic Party, who all have different leadership, agendas, and levels of competency (see: what the Iowa Democratic Party managed to do tonight). It's also made more difficult by people influential in the party who are desperate to stay relevant (see: the superdelegates who got mad they couldn't vote on the first ballot anymore) and the insane, out-of-touch idiots and donors who think they know best for the party. Like, the poo poo with Mike Bloomberg getting a spot on the debate stage? I honestly think it's more likely that there's a greater chance that decision was made not to hurt Bernie (because remember, it hurts every other candidate on that stage as well), but to sooth Bloomberg and deter him from deciding to mount a third party run if he doesn't win (Which would absolutely hurt the Democratic Party up and down the ticket). I dunno. I don't usually see conspiracies. I see people and organizations with goals and agendas that are often confused and self-defeating, where any attempt to mount a conspiracy in the first place would easily be defeated by their many, many weak links. basically, I think it's more likely that people are morons as opposed to malicious (or both, in which case they will often just straight up tell you how malicious they are). There are times that I'm wrong. But I don't think this is one of those times.
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Platystemon posted:“Ratfucking” was first used in student elections. I think acebuckeye13 is becoming frustrated about something real (the exaggerative nature of literally everything so much so OED had to add new meaning for the word literally), even if those frustrations were lexically misdirected. Edit: beated by the 13th Ohioan themself.
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the bloomberg stuff, i think there's a component where they might think ti'll ding bernie, but what it actually is is handing bernie a billionaire with weak policies to wall bounce and do OTG bionic arms to
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Guys, I’m starting to think that maybe there shouldn’t always be an App For That. Or that our primary/electoral system is in need of a massive, massive overhaul.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Or that our primary/electoral system is in need of a massive, massive overhaul. Nope, sorry, this is What the Founding Fathers Intended™.
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Hey remember when the machines taking over in the matrix was A Bad Thing? Would it really be tho?
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Stravag posted:Hey remember when the machines taking over in the matrix was A Bad Thing? Would it really be tho? Depends if they're coded by a bunch of college grads in a WeWork under conditions that would probably constitute labor violations in most countries while the billionaire angel investor says "No time for QC get it out!"
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Don Dongington posted:Depends if they're coded by a bunch of college grads in a WeWork under conditions that would probably constitute labor violations in most countries while the billionaire angel investor says "No time for QC get it out!" The only weakness of Asimov's Three Laws
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Don Dongington posted:Depends if they're coded by a bunch of college grads in a WeWork under conditions that would probably constitute labor violations in most countries while the billionaire angel investor says "No time for QC get it out!" Yeah but the machines took over the coding and cut humans out of the loop which is where their advancement came from. Atleast the newcomers took care of the wealth gap* *Wealth gap being taken of may not being noticeable to humans
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