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s*x n*mb*r 69 0.22%
w@@d n_mb_r 420 1.34%
Jeb! number 538 1.72%
Biden numbr 30330 96.72%
Total: 31357 votes
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1982 Subaru Brat
Feb 2, 2007

by Athanatos
If several candidates join a dogpile, I think Mayor Pete is hosed. But these are Democrats we're talking about. It may well just be Bernie and Yang supporters grouching, while the others just lay down and die because they think it's dignified.

Biden's camp is pressing the issue a little but I think they just want to confirm his result is as bad as it looks so he can drop out lol

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super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Pete Commandos, buy all our playsets and toys!

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



reignonyourparade posted:

I just... don't believe he's THAT dumb when there is actually a paper trail this time around. It's not consistent with Declaring Victory when you'll just actually win eventually anyway. It makes more sense to me that it was all a scheme to allow him to declare victory for the low info voters regardless of whether he actually won while still being deniable as jumping the gun for the commentariat.

If the app doesn't implode halfway through the real results aren't discovered until like a month later and would be squashed to protect the public opinion of the legitimacy of the whole thing

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

super sweet best pal posted:

Pete Commandos, buy all our playsets and toys!

Gresh
Jan 12, 2019


paranoid randroid posted:

what the gently caress IS GOING ON

404 error: DNC Ratfucking in progress

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




https://mobile.twitter.com/joshuakucera/status/1224372781820891137

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Epic High Five posted:

If the app doesn't implode halfway through the real results aren't discovered until like a month later and would be squashed to protect the public opinion of the legitimacy of the whole thing

Every campaign has the capacity to get their own version of the results though, if things are seriously different than what their precinct captains reported they can bring that up. If the app DOES implode there's no discrepancy to bring up.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Gresh posted:

404 error: DNC Ratfucking in progress

cant be a ratfucking. rats are intelligent and possess empathy.

Alobar
Jun 21, 2011

Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.


well, according to cnn, the REAL winner here is trump.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
well, georgian wine is really good, so at least someone had a good time

Gresh
Jan 12, 2019


Gresh
Jan 12, 2019


Alobar posted:



well, according to cnn, the REAL winner here is trump.

Well, if we don't have any numbers today, its definitely gonna be juicy material for Trump. I'm already picturing the tweets

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Alobar posted:



well, according to cnn, the REAL winner here is trump.

kind of hard to deny since this is maximal “Dems in disarray” + public incompetence + serious appearance of impropriety and no dem candidate is getting a boost/victory lap in this morning’s news cycle

it is very likely to ultimately not matter at all, but in terms of potentially exploitable long and short term political/narrative advantages the story of the Iowa primary *thus far* does favor Trump over any Dem candidate/the party as a whole

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

cnn is so happy to be trump's stenographer again

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost

Alobar posted:



well, according to cnn, the REAL winner here is trump.

they're right. today is the state of the union, he's going to be on every channel laughing that they tried to rig it for pete.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

ScrubLeague posted:

they're right. today is the state of the union, he's going to be on every channel laughing that they tried to rig it for pete.

good imo

scare the dems away from more ratfucking

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
nah the lesson they'll take from it is that they need to rig it for klobes

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

ScrubLeague posted:

nah the lesson they'll take from it is that they need to rig it for klobes

bernie survived a cia ratfucking, bring on the rats

Modus Pwnens
Dec 29, 2004
If this is some kind of rigging I'm not sure how it was supposed to work. He could've falsified the results of the reporting app to get good press today, but every caucus site has paper ballots, and the tallies are signed off by 2 volunteers from the county party and representatives by each candidate, and the latter are also supposed to report the numbers directly to their campaigns. Plus anyone there can see the tallies and the math if they want to. The real numbers will come out eventually. You can't really rig a caucus. That's like the only good thing about it.

If you've been at a caucus, everything about it is a clusterfuck. Nobody is trained right, and it's run by whoever is dumb enough to get roped into volunteering. Coincidentally, those are also the people who don't know how to use a smartphone even if they have one.

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
Gotta say a resurgence of Epstein Brain is the last thing I expected but I guess that's my naivete showing

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
writing my news headline:
- weekend at bernies
- joe biden more like joe bined

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006
I'm the Ratman
Ski-bi-dibby-dib yo-da-dub-dub, yo-da-dub-dub

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

reignonyourparade posted:

His political career is dead if he can't somehow jump out of indiana, the DNC chair attempt didn't work so jumping straight to the presidency is literally all he has. That's the sort of place for desperate hail marys if you're the sort with Ambitions.
i gotta say that reignonyourparade ^ has had the best posts of the night

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
permaban every account supporting the rat for being a CIA mole

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
exclusive audio from the mayor peter after party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEffAINE2kQ

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I tried to do a summary of what happened, both against the caucus in general and specifically with regards to Buttigieg and Shadow and ACRONYM, for the purposes of anyone who wants to explain to people what just happened and also wants to be able to post some sourcing to the claims.

___

On Monday night, Iowa had its caucus for the Presidential primaries, the first in the nation.

No vote tallies were released by the official Democratic National Committee, because the new app that was being used to tabulate results crashed and was generally unusable for most of the night.

As it became clear that the app would not be capable of providing results, the DNC held a press conference at 1 AM Central to announce that they would have to resort to looking up the paper records that were taken by each caucus precinct and tallying the results manually, which may delay the results until Tuesday or Wednesday.

That same night, the Sanders campaign released their own internal tracking of the vote count based on 40% of precincts, which showed

Senator Sanders with 29% of the vote
former Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in second place with 24%
Senator Elizabeth Warren with 21%
former Vice President Joe Biden with 12%
Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar with 11%
and everyone else at sub-1% (House Representative Tulsi Gabbard, billionaire Tom Steyer, businessman Andrew Yang)

The next primary is slated for Tuesday, February 11, in New Hampshire, where Sanders is generally also expected to win big according to polling and past performance (he won NH by 22 points in the 2016 primaries against former Secretary Hillary Clinton).

https://twitter.com/brianneDMR/status/1224586981851746304
https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1224578194948468739

___

The other story that's coming out of the caucus was Pete Buttigeig declaring victory in Iowa at 11:24 PM Central Standard Time, which was odd because the official results were still at 0 precincts reporting at the time.

As journalists started digging into the company that developed the caucus app, not only was it identified to be a company named "Shadow", records show that the Buttigeig campaign had paid Shadow some 42,500.00 USD in July of 2019.

The CEO of Shadow was identified to be Gerard Niemira, who previously held a leadership position at Hillary for America.

Shadow's product manager, COO, and CTO were also identified via linkedIn and found to also have previously worked at Hillary for America.

Greta Carnes, who has been the Buttigieg campaign's National Organizing Director since April of 2019, was found to have previously worked at Hillary for America from May 2016 to November 2016, and then later worked at ACRONYM from January 2018 to April 2019. ACRONYM is significant in that it is the company that owns Shadow.

ACRONYM itself is headed by one Tara McGowan, who expressed support for the Buttigieg campaign back in January of 2019.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224564353040625665
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iowa-caucus-app-shadow_n_5e390191c5b687dacc722824
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224572119549267968
https://twitter.com/taraemcg/status/1088071074468642818
https://twitter.com/WhereIsLawrence/status/1224572032781778945
https://twitter.com/WhereIsLawrence/status/1224572569401155584
https://twitter.com/StudioSpicy/status/1224585793152270336

mythicknight
Jan 28, 2009

my thick night

I cant believe the CIA Pete angle was loving real

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
Can I arzy yet

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

Fabricated posted:

Can I arzy yet

If you're really into President Biden, then yes.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Modus Pwnens posted:

If this is some kind of rigging I'm not sure how it was supposed to work. He could've falsified the results of the reporting app to get good press today, but every caucus site has paper ballots, and the tallies are signed off by 2 volunteers from the county party and representatives by each candidate, and the latter are also supposed to report the numbers directly to their campaigns. Plus anyone there can see the tallies and the math if they want to. The real numbers will come out eventually. You can't really rig a caucus. That's like the only good thing about it.

If you've been at a caucus, everything about it is a clusterfuck. Nobody is trained right, and it's run by whoever is dumb enough to get roped into volunteering. Coincidentally, those are also the people who don't know how to use a smartphone even if they have one.

gently caress up the app into uselessness.
Declare victory without any results.
Hope that actual results come out late enough none of the low info people ever learn you didn't actually win.

Muscle Wizard
Jul 28, 2011

by sebmojo
feeling like dems are gonna seize on team berndawg's report only having 40% of precincts and put their thumb on the scale for mayo in the other 60%

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Fabricated posted:

Can I arzy yet

on the contrary, we must be rigid and vigilant in our proclamations that Bernie Probably Won, as demonstrated by the data released by his campaign last night, which is (to my knowledge) the only data there is.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



mythicknight posted:

I cant believe the CIA Pete angle was loving real

You thought the multilingual Harvard grad just drove trucks for a year in the army, or that he actually went on vacation to Somaliland?

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

gradenko_2000 posted:

I tried to do a summary of what happened, both against the caucus in general and specifically with regards to Buttigieg and Shadow and ACRONYM, for the purposes of anyone who wants to explain to people what just happened and also wants to be able to post some sourcing to the claims.

___

On Monday night, Iowa had its caucus for the Presidential primaries, the first in the nation.

No vote tallies were released by the official Democratic National Committee, because the new app that was being used to tabulate results crashed and was generally unusable for most of the night.

As it became clear that the app would not be capable of providing results, the DNC held a press conference at 1 AM Central to announce that they would have to resort to looking up the paper records that were taken by each caucus precinct and tallying the results manually, which may delay the results until Tuesday or Wednesday.

That same night, the Sanders campaign released their own internal tracking of the vote count based on 40% of precincts, which showed

Senator Sanders with 29% of the vote
former Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in second place with 24%
Senator Elizabeth Warren with 21%
former Vice President Joe Biden with 12%
Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar with 11%
and everyone else at sub-1% (House Representative Tulsi Gabbard, billionaire Tom Steyer, businessman Andrew Yang)

The next primary is slated for Tuesday, February 11, in New Hampshire, where Sanders is generally also expected to win big according to polling and past performance (he won NH by 22 points in the 2016 primaries against former Secretary Hillary Clinton).

https://twitter.com/brianneDMR/status/1224586981851746304
https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1224578194948468739

___

The other story that's coming out of the caucus was Pete Buttigeig declaring victory in Iowa at 11:24 PM Central Standard Time, which was odd because the official results were still at 0 precincts reporting at the time.

As journalists started digging into the company that developed the caucus app, not only was it identified to be a company named "Shadow", records show that the Buttigeig campaign had paid Shadow some 42,500.00 USD in July of 2019.

The CEO of Shadow was identified to be Gerard Niemira, who previously held a leadership position at Hillary for America.

Shadow's product manager, COO, and CTO were also identified via linkedIn and found to also have previously worked at Hillary for America.

Greta Carnes, who has been the Buttigieg campaign's National Organizing Director since April of 2019, was found to have previously worked at Hillary for America from May 2016 to November 2016, and then later worked at ACRONYM from January 2018 to April 2019. ACRONYM is significant in that it is the company that owns Shadow.

ACRONYM itself is headed by one Tara McGowan, who expressed support for the Buttigieg campaign back in January of 2019.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224564353040625665
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iowa-caucus-app-shadow_n_5e390191c5b687dacc722824
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224572119549267968
https://twitter.com/taraemcg/status/1088071074468642818
https://twitter.com/WhereIsLawrence/status/1224572032781778945
https://twitter.com/WhereIsLawrence/status/1224572569401155584
https://twitter.com/StudioSpicy/status/1224585793152270336



Wait wait so

The new metal gear, Arsenal gear, was designed to control information?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

reignonyourparade posted:

gently caress up the app into uselessness.
Declare victory without any results.
Hope that actual results come out late enough none of the low info people ever learn you didn't actually win.
and the app only needed to send some numbers from a few thousand people. easy peasy.

*poo poo breaks totally for no apparent reason*

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Over Easy posted:

Wait wait so

The new metal gear, Arsenal gear, was designed to control information?

this is more if arsenal gear immediately capsized

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

I tried to do a summary of what happened, both against the caucus in general and specifically with regards to Buttigieg and Shadow and ACRONYM, for the purposes of anyone who wants to explain to people what just happened and also wants to be able to post some sourcing to the claims.

___

On Monday night, Iowa had its caucus for the Presidential primaries, the first in the nation.

No vote tallies were released by the official Democratic National Committee, because the new app that was being used to tabulate results crashed and was generally unusable for most of the night.

As it became clear that the app would not be capable of providing results, the DNC held a press conference at 1 AM Central to announce that they would have to resort to looking up the paper records that were taken by each caucus precinct and tallying the results manually, which may delay the results until Tuesday or Wednesday.

That same night, the Sanders campaign released their own internal tracking of the vote count based on 40% of precincts, which showed

Senator Sanders with 29% of the vote
former Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in second place with 24%
Senator Elizabeth Warren with 21%
former Vice President Joe Biden with 12%
Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar with 11%
and everyone else at sub-1% (House Representative Tulsi Gabbard, billionaire Tom Steyer, businessman Andrew Yang)

The next primary is slated for Tuesday, February 11, in New Hampshire, where Sanders is generally also expected to win big according to polling and past performance (he won NH by 22 points in the 2016 primaries against former Secretary Hillary Clinton).

https://twitter.com/brianneDMR/status/1224586981851746304
https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1224578194948468739

___

The other story that's coming out of the caucus was Pete Buttigeig declaring victory in Iowa at 11:24 PM Central Standard Time, which was odd because the official results were still at 0 precincts reporting at the time.

As journalists started digging into the company that developed the caucus app, not only was it identified to be a company named "Shadow", records show that the Buttigeig campaign had paid Shadow some 42,500.00 USD in July of 2019.

The CEO of Shadow was identified to be Gerard Niemira, who previously held a leadership position at Hillary for America.

Shadow's product manager, COO, and CTO were also identified via linkedIn and found to also have previously worked at Hillary for America.

Greta Carnes, who has been the Buttigieg campaign's National Organizing Director since April of 2019, was found to have previously worked at Hillary for America from May 2016 to November 2016, and then later worked at ACRONYM from January 2018 to April 2019. ACRONYM is significant in that it is the company that owns Shadow.

ACRONYM itself is headed by one Tara McGowan, who expressed support for the Buttigieg campaign back in January of 2019.

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1224564353040625665
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iowa-caucus-app-shadow_n_5e390191c5b687dacc722824
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1224572119549267968
https://twitter.com/taraemcg/status/1088071074468642818
https://twitter.com/WhereIsLawrence/status/1224572032781778945
https://twitter.com/WhereIsLawrence/status/1224572569401155584
https://twitter.com/StudioSpicy/status/1224585793152270336

The one thing I would include is that Bernie released his count in response to the Butt victory proclamation. He wasn't just jumping ahead of the official results without prompting, he was refuting the guy who WAS jumping ahead of the official results without prompting.

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

2012

you dont understand, Obama is playing 12th dimensional chess...

2016

you dont understand, Hillary is playing 48th dimension chess...

2020

you dont undertand, Pete is playing blah blah blah

these people are incompetent boobs that constantly gently caress up and they out think themselves every time

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Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

Modus Pwnens posted:

If this is some kind of rigging I'm not sure how it was supposed to work. He could've falsified the results of the reporting app to get good press today, but every caucus site has paper ballots, and the tallies are signed off by 2 volunteers from the county party and representatives by each candidate, and the latter are also supposed to report the numbers directly to their campaigns. Plus anyone there can see the tallies and the math if they want to. The real numbers will come out eventually. You can't really rig a caucus. That's like the only good thing about it.

If you've been at a caucus, everything about it is a clusterfuck. Nobody is trained right, and it's run by whoever is dumb enough to get roped into volunteering. Coincidentally, those are also the people who don't know how to use a smartphone even if they have one.

Iowa is a momentum setter and facts and delegates don't matter

the point of the fix is to claim victory, to control the news cycle, not to actually win. hence wanting to suppress the final poll too. dumbasses hear Pete won and want to vote for the winner so they win too

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