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The software was developed by a company named shadow owned by parent company acronym. The CEO of the company is married to one of Pete’s top staff and has made a bunch of public statements in support of Pete. Pete, Biden, and Klob all gave large chunks of cash to shadow for it consulting in the lead up to iowa.
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Acronym was founded and is staffed by a bunch of Hillary 2016 people. I know all of this reads like conspiracy theory nonsense. I can’t believe the world we live in is so dumb.
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Feb 4, 2020 10:58
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It turns out that sufficiently incompetent crime is not crime.
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Feb 4, 2020 11:07
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Platystemon posted:It turns out that sufficiently incompetent crime is not crime. Stealing plays from the Republican's
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Feb 4, 2020 11:19
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if you're going to fix an election you don't do it in fuckin Iowa where there is a literal paper trail with names also gently caress Iowa their stupid little gym meetings are forgotten by super tuesday. its a jobs program for media pundits.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Guys, I’m starting to think that maybe there shouldn’t always be an App For That. Yep. I hope that the app model dies just like the jello-mold of the mid-1900s after home refrigeration started to become widespread. Yes, you can suspend pretty much everything in aspic and force people to eat it. It's not necessary or good, just novel. Raise your hand if you hate the website you occasionally visit constantly demanding you download it's app, via pop-up
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Feb 4, 2020 12:28
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good explainer megapost for those just joining us:gradenko_2000 posted:I tried to do a summary of what happened, both against the caucus in general and specifically with regards to Buttigieg and Shadow and ACRONYM, for the purposes of anyone who wants to explain to people what just happened and also wants to be able to post some sourcing to the claims.
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Smiling Jack posted:if you're going to fix an election you don't do it in fuckin Iowa where there is a literal paper trail with names Basically 100% right. It's not a fix, it's not anything planned, the Iowa Democratic Party just hosed it. They relied on techies from previous campaigns to develop a complex app, for a complex (dumb) caucus system, didn't test it, and now everything is hosed. Simple, really.
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facialimpediment posted:Basically 100% right. It's not a fix, it's not anything planned, the Iowa Democratic Party just hosed it. They relied on techies from previous campaigns to develop a complex app, for a complex (dumb) caucus system, didn't test it, and now everything is hosed. Simple, really. Yeah, but also: https://twitter.com/megslay27/status/1224580548435140608
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Feb 4, 2020 13:56
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I don't have a problem with Iowa having their weird regional tradition, but letting the Rhode Island of the midwest go first and pretend it's a bellwether for the nation is dumb as poo poo.
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Feb 4, 2020 14:02
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oh look unsubstantiated bullshit with no verification from an anonymous source
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While I am fully capable that Pete is a shitweasel, I'm gonna lean away from believing random twitter posts. In any case, Pete declaring victory and then loving off to New Hampshire seems like a dumb as hell move. Every other campaign is going to be unbelievably pissed at him, and it also gives them a "This idiot jumped the gun and isn't ready to lead" narrative to attack him on.
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Feb 4, 2020 14:04
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I'd be a lot less conspiratorial about this shitshow if the DNC hadn't hosed Bernie in 2016.
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Feb 4, 2020 14:05
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Acebuckeye13 posted:In any case, Pete declaring victory and then loving off to New Hampshire seems like a dumb as hell move. Every other campaign is going to be unbelievably pissed at him, and it also gives them a "This idiot jumped the gun and isn't ready to lead" narrative to attack him on. Platystemon posted:Buttigieg is the Democratic Rubio.
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LongDarkNight posted:I don't have a problem with Iowa having their weird regional tradition, but letting the Rhode Island of the midwest go first and pretend it's a bellwether for the nation is dumb as poo poo. "Nation thinks its smarter than it actually is, relies on an unsecure untested app to support an arcane, archaic methodology for deciding leadership with incomprehensible results that make no one happy" is a pretty good bellwether of America tho...
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Like... Biden I'm sure is being Managed to high hell and was probably more an insurance policy in case Butt didn't poll well. He's probably completely oblivious that he didn't just win the drat thing. But in what world, was the Warren camp expected to just go along with the wholesale theft of the primary right out the gate?? And loving with the Klobuchar camp in such a blatant and obvious way seems like a great way to get a bomb under your car. Edit: Either this is a total bullshit claim, or Team Pete are really loving dumb, basically. Don Dongington fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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There's a reason that there are millions of Pete is a rat memes this morning, and it's not just because of unsubstantiated tweets. Pete's people were up to some shady poo poo, got caught, and results have been delayed while a paper count goes down. Only numbers so far were bernie's numbers released last night with 40% of precincts. It projected him winning Iowa with around 30% of the vote. It also projected Pete in 2nd. Pete released numbers from 75% of reporting precincts this morning that match Bernie's projections from last night. Bernie won, and idiocy and skullduggery delay the results. Also biden ate poo poo so hard that he's threatening legal action if the numbers get released before he sees them.
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Feb 4, 2020 14:24
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I’d stay away from conspiracies until results come out. Sowing doubt and conspiracies is 100% Trump campaign’s playbook and they will boost or provide unsubstantiated claims to that effect.
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Feb 4, 2020 14:27
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Shadow and acronym aren’t conspiracy theories. That part is 100% accurate. The only part that is unsubstantiated at the moment is that the pete campaign deliberately hosed with numbers and was caught by warren and klob people.
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the point is not to affect the outcome, the objective is to cast doubt on institutions
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Mr. Nice! posted:The only part that is unsubstantiated at the moment is that the pete campaign deliberately hosed with numbers and was caught by warren and klob people. Yeah, that being unsubstantiated is a big deal. That a bunch of politically connected made a lovely app to deal with a dumb, ancient form of primary in a small state is just kind of “whatever,” and something we knew days/weeks ago.
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Feb 4, 2020 14:32
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mlmp08 posted:Yeah, that being unsubstantiated is a big deal. The fact that shadow made the app did not come out until a few hours ago. Both nevada and iowa DNCs were silent about it. All of this was first discovered overnight.
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Smiling Jack posted:the point is not to affect the outcome, the objective is to cast doubt on institutions If you don't have doubt in the DNC by now, you're a moron.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The fact that shadow made the app did not come out until a few hours ago. Both nevada and iowa DNCs were silent about it. All of this was first discovered overnight. Unknown to you, probably not to whatever private Intel services are working for Bernie and Warren.
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Smiling Jack posted:Unknown to you, probably not to whatever private Intel services are working for Bernie and Warren. Unknown publicly. News last night when poo poo started going sideways discussed how no one knew who the app developer was. Bernie has a separate tracking system in place.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Shadow and acronym aren’t conspiracy theories. That part is 100% accurate. Does Glenn Beck know you've taken his chalk board?
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Other key point: the Iowa Democratic Party told caucus leaders that using the app is optional. This means some never used it, others got annoyed by app shortcomings, etc, and so there are some (large) number of officials who aren’t using the app and instead were trying to call the woefully inadequate phone bank center to report results manually. Some of those people said “gently caress it,” and went to sleep because they’re not legally mandated to stay awake until the reporting is fixed. They can just call in the next day. Sometimes the easy answer of incompetence and tired humans makes more sense than the Trump narrative or the narrative of highly motivated but overly emotionally invested rando democratic primary campaign staffers.
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Buttgieg declaring victory based on nothing public is very suspicious though.
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For fucks sake, this isn't Diebold voting machines in Ohio. This is a reporting app for the Iowa cacuses which have a loving paper trail. What's the working theory here, CIA Pete colluded with the DNC in order to rig votes for a primary that means almost nothing in the long term and managed to gently caress it all up, or is it more likely that the  social media brigade is posting dumb poo poo for clicks?
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shame on an IGA posted:good explainer megapost for those just joining us: Wow, looks like a bunch of connected people are helping each other fail upwards Mr. Nice! posted:The only part that is unsubstantiated at the moment is that the pete campaign deliberately hosed with numbers and was caught by warren and klob people. Suicide Watch fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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Fortunately, it doesn't have to be black or white. There's most definitely rank incompetence at work, and it is also extremely likely that there's at least a degree of shady opportunism, if not outright corruption going on.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Shadow and acronym aren’t conspiracy theories. That part is 100% accurate. The most telling evidence against a direct attempt to change the on-the-ground results is that I haven't seen any journalists or people connected to the campaigns say anything to this effect - just randos on Twitter. If it were true, campaign staffers and volunteers would be screaming to the high heavens, but instead the target of ire is focused entirely on the Iowa Democratic Party for loving literally everything up. While the sheer name of the Shadow company and Pete throwing money at it obviously look sketchy as hell, given everything else it's much easier for me to believe this shitshow is the result of incompetence rather than malice.
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hobbesmaster posted:Buttgieg declaring victory based on nothing public is very suspicious though. it's not suspicious at all. he's a deft enough politician that he's learned the lesson of the last five years, which is that you can lie very publicly and there are no consequences at all
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hobbesmaster posted:Buttgieg declaring victory based on nothing public is very suspicious though. It’s probably not based on “nothing,” but maybe Buttigieg allies are using the app whereas others were using the phone bank? Also it could just be a cynical move to generate buzz or momentum right now and assume that if, in 1-5 days or whatever, he has to say “Oops, we got 2nd/3rd, oh well, onward supporters and donors,” that correction won’t really matter much. He needed a big night more than some, so claiming one in the confusion probablu isn’t terribly stupid even if it’s opportunistic. OTOH, Biden can better afford to say “hun, weird, let’s keep going” because he wasnt going to do well in IA but is projected to do far better in places like NC.
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Don Dongington posted:There's most definitely rank incompetence at work, and it is also extremely likely that there's at least a degree of shady opportunism, if not outright corruption going on. Redundant this is the DNC.
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That Works posted:Redundant this is the DNC. It's the Iowa Democratic Party thank you, which is an entirely distinct circus to the DNC's big top 
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hobbesmaster posted:Buttgieg declaring victory based on nothing public is very suspicious though. Butt was supposed to be 3rd or 4th according to polling, looks like he came out to second. Unless he declared total victory, outperforming expectations could be considered a victory
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's the Iowa Democratic Party thank you, which is an entirely distinct circus to the DNC's big top Ohh, cool thanks.
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I am willing to believe crazy conspiracy theories about election tampering by Buttigieg based on the crazy conspiracy theories of him being a CIA spook. It's one of their core "competencies" and given the kind of news about the IC (American and otherwise) we've heard since 2016, we should expect their heavy involvement in this election cycle. Call me crazy if you gotta. Welcome to 2020.
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