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Insanite posted:It’s funny how bureaucratic incompetence only ever seems to punch left. Hilary's bureaucratic incompetence cost her the 2016 election.
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Poque posted:lmao I just got an email from the Bernie campaign that started with "Like you, we are disappointed with what happened last night in Iowa." why the gently caress would you lead like that, casuals are gonna think he lost hard now Well, that assumes casuals read campaign emails.
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Hell yes this tweet. You don't ensure security by keeping your software in a black box, that just ensures that every black hat and their cousin gets in on the action of breaking it for their own gain. This is unconscionably incompetent.
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Nonsense posted:
What the actual gently caress is this.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:44
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Main Paineframe posted:Also, I'm gonna say two things this. i want to hear other perspectives too. I often find I have tunnel vision when it comes to politics because I only really know my own lived experience. I honestly don't think there was any elaborate conspiracy to rig the election. At most they are just slow rolling because they know Bernie won and they don't want him in the news but even this is a stretch.
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Rampant Dwickery posted:Hell yes this tweet. You don't ensure security by keeping your software in a black box, that just ensures that every black hat and their cousin gets in on the action of breaking it for their own gain. It's negligence to the level that is inexcusable. Perez and every official in IA should resign.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:44
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Djarum posted:Sanders campaign is likely keeping quiet because it is the smartest idea to do so right now. They are going to likely win Iowa and anything they would do will be turned around on them. They released their internal numbers after Buttgieg did his victory speech. Better to sit back let him hang himself now.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:44
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It would be funny if Pete's lie about winning turns a story about overperforming in 2nd place into a story about underperforming in 2nd place.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:44
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mr whistler posted:Are you trying to self-own here? She's clairvoyant, she's a firsthand source for all precincts
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Feb 4, 2020 16:45
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SKULL.GIF posted:What the actual gently caress is this. that's how iowa caucus math works (the precinct is done correctly) the precinct elects 8 delegates. the formula only awarded 7. in these cases, the person closest to earning another delegate (which means they are closest to a .5 decimal) gets a delegate. if there is still another delegate that needs to be awarded, the next closest gets another and so on
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Feb 4, 2020 16:45
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Main Paineframe posted:It's the kind of low-content posting you see when people are liveposting and live-reacting about currently ongoing events; mostly people just posting their raw thoughts rather than trying to have a discussion. Aka “to democratic primary thread” a thread.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:46
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oxsnard posted:Where is this depressed turnout narrative coming from? Butt and Bernie numbers seem to point to 200k votes. 2008 was crazy partly because of Bush and partly because of Obama. The US economy was collapsing too which was kind of a big deal back then I also think there are probably a lot of anti-Trump democrats who don't have strong feelings about who the Dem nominee should be.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:47
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:I also think there are probably a lot of anti-Trump democrats who don't have strong feelings about who the Dem nominee should be. Also impeachment taking up a lot of media time that would otherwise be devoted to Iowa
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Feb 4, 2020 16:48
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oxsnard posted:Where is this depressed turnout narrative coming from? Butt and Bernie numbers seem to point to 200k votes. 2008 was crazy partly because of Bush and partly because of Obama. The US economy was collapsing too which was kind of a big deal back then literally one source said PREDICTED numbers were low, then like three posters here spent twelve hours going 'OH gently caress OH poo poo OH gently caress'
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Feb 4, 2020 16:49
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oxsnard posted:Where is this depressed turnout narrative coming from? Butt and Bernie numbers seem to point to 200k votes. 2008 was crazy partly because of Bush and partly because of Obama. The US economy was collapsing too which was kind of a big deal back then The economy was not collapsing in February of 2008.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:50
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:I also think there are probably a lot of anti-Trump democrats who don't have strong feelings about who the Dem nominee should be.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:50
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Concerned Citizen posted:that's how iowa caucus math works (the precinct is done correctly) More importantly, thought, that image contains the pin code to enter the results on the app.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:51
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It's smoke because we don't actually know the turnout numbers yet. It's downplaying a clear Bernie win. There's been some claims to try and play down the youth turnout while the only thing I've seen so far indicates that it's mostly olds that didn't turn out (i.e. Biden's base)
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Feb 4, 2020 16:52
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joepinetree posted:More importantly, thought, that image contains the pin code to enter the results on the app. sounds like someone should call the result in
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Concerned Citizen posted:that's how iowa caucus math works (the precinct is done correctly) I could instantly see that the math contradicts the instructions twice. First, they're using a form for where AT LEAST FOUR candidates are awarded, and second the rounding conventions described on the sheet are ignored. E: mb, i misread delegates on the first point moths fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/rubycramer/status/1224721844927897602 I've got to get on that grift train
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joepinetree posted:More importantly, thought, that image contains the pin code to enter the results on the app. The people screaming the loudest about "Russia hacking our elections" are the same people who have all of their passwords in a sticky note on their monitor.
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kidkissinger posted:The people screaming the loudest about "Russia hacking our elections" are the same people who have all of their passwords in a sticky not on their monitor. This is more accurate than you can possibly imagine.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:53
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It appears that whole turnout was flat, within that turnout first time caucusgoers and youth turnout was way up and Boomer turnout was down. The latter data point boosts Sanders argument. I think boomer turnout might have been down because with the polls suggesting a Bernie win and them not particularly feeling passionate about Buttigieg or Biden in a "eh either one" way they just stayed home. The increase in youth is great though.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:54
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moths posted:I could instantly see that the math contradicts the instructions twice. no, they follow it correctly. it's at least four DELEGATES (it elects 8). the shot cuts off the instructions on what to do if not all the delegates are awarded by the formula. (since the rounding conventions only awarded 7 out of 8 delegates, the next delegate goes to the candidate closest to earning another delegate)
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Mahoning posted:The economy was not collapsing in February of 2008. It sure as hell was for most Americans. The CS housing index was down 20% and unemployment spiked 2% from November to February. Things were looking really grim
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mr whistler posted:It's useful to review how we got here. Iowa caucuses have always been shady af with record keeping and Bernieland was mad at how it went down in 2016. In the reforms afterwards, the DNC proposed making it a primary instead of a caucus. Bernieland said no, they wanted a caucus (because he tends to do better in caucuses). As a compromise, the two sides agreed to a lot of increased record keeping and reporting from every precinct. I don't see why we don't have a ranked choice primary in every state and for every election. The main strength of the caucus, in my view, is the ability to go to a second or third choice. It makes sure that candidates get a fair shake and vote by fear isn't the primary driver of the dialogue. Primaries do NOT allow this, and I think hurt a lot of outside-the-norm candidates, which is bad. Caucuses do. But the whole "stand here for an hour thing" is not very popular for the obvious reasons here. I think the documentation thing is smart, I actually like having things written down on cards and I'd be willing to bet that if they didn't have an app this wouldn't have been an issue at all. joepinetree posted:More importantly, thought, that image contains the pin code to enter the results on the app. Doesn't matter, you can't do anything with just the PIN. moths posted:I could instantly see that the math contradicts the instructions twice. No its actually done correctly. See this is what i'm talking about ya'll.
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Concerned Citizen posted:no, they follow it correctly. it's at least four DELEGATES (it elects 8). the shot cuts off the instructions on what to do if not all the delegates are awarded by the formula. (since the rounding conventions only awarded 7 out of 8 delegates, the next delegate goes to the candidate closest to earning another delegate) That's fair, I misread one for the other.
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Djarum posted:They released their internal numbers after Buttgieg did his victory speech. Better to sit back let him hang himself now.
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joepinetree posted:
Is there a source for this? I have tried to find it but haven't. If true this is kind of the whole crux of the matter.
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Feb 4, 2020 16:59
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John Wick of Dogs posted:It appears that whole turnout was flat, within that turnout first time caucusgoers and youth turnout was way up and Boomer turnout was down. The latter data point boosts Sanders argument. Source?
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Midgetskydiver posted:Is there a source for this? I have tried to find it but haven't. If true this is kind of the whole crux of the matter. the app was having problems hours before they were publishing the worksheets (which was just a handful of the 1700 or whatever), and the pin alone is not really very useful without having the app or the other info needed to report results
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https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/1224719772434214912?s=20 pete knows they lost
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Midgetskydiver posted:Is there a source for this? I have tried to find it but haven't. If true this is kind of the whole crux of the matter. Nonsense posted:
That image, and many others like it were tweeted out by the Pete campaign guy
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So it's a bad thing that Bernie's missing out on good press and Trump gets to paint Democrats as incompetent, but: now Buttigieg, Biden, and Bloomberg are running in the same lane without a clear choice for the centrists to rally around. Another possible silver lining.
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Feb 4, 2020 17:05
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I work in the software cryptology field and this is the dumbest loving thing I've ever read in my life
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:So it's a bad thing that Bernie's missing out on good press and Trump gets to paint Democrats as incompetent, but: now Buttigieg, Biden, and Bloomberg are running in the same lane without a clear choice for the centrists to rally around. Another possible silver lining. in the long term this is probably meaningless, or even good for sanders on the whole, just because it's made the sanders campaign even more passionate going into a primary they're leading polls in that happens in just a week, while the rest of the field eats eachother. It's still pretty infuriating, though
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kidkissinger posted:are we even going to get these results today at this point? it seems like they've completely hosed this up now, probably worse than they are admitting.
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