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It all makes sense now. Isaac Newton is the Robot King!
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Feb 3, 2020 10:32
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CJacobs posted:I dunno Zimmy, Some Guy allegedly proved some pretty hard to un-prove things whether we can see em or not...
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Feb 3, 2020 10:37
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Splicer posted:I dunno, Loup pretty conclusively showed that guy to be full of poo poo. Jones was probably the one that dropped the apple on some guy's head in the first place.
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Feb 3, 2020 10:51
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If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to see it is it magic The answer may surprise you
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Feb 3, 2020 14:40
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Kind of sad some guy doesn't look like Gotlib's Newton.
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Feb 3, 2020 14:46
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Kantesu posted:So just this, then: That's exactly what I was thinking of when I posted that.
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Feb 3, 2020 15:26
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When everyone left in a hurry, the only thing they left behind was a copy of The God Delusion. which Zimmy didn't read because she isn't a loving nerd, magic is just bullshit
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Samuringa posted:When everyone left in a hurry, the only thing they left behind was a copy of The God Delusion. Nah, it was an article on the Michelson–Morley experiment.
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Cat Mattress posted:Kind of sad some guy doesn't look like Gotlib's Newton. Didn't expect a Rubrique-a-Brac ref here.
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Feb 3, 2020 20:51
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Where Zimmy's going, we won't need eyes to see.
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Feb 5, 2020 05:12
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Zimmy can see the gutters of the comic, can't she? Or maybe the HTML of the website like Neo!
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Feb 5, 2020 09:17
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Semantics.
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Feb 5, 2020 10:07
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i read zimmy's dialogue in a chain-smoker voice in my head
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Feb 5, 2020 10:16
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zimmy sounds like she's got knives in her throat and probably does
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Feb 5, 2020 10:25
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I'm not fond of this comic's seeming definition of science sometimes, to be honest.
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Feb 5, 2020 11:38
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"And boy just wait till you hear about that santa claus guy!!"MikeJF posted:I'm not fond of this comic's seeming definition of science sometimes, to be honest. Yeah I agree sorta.
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Feb 5, 2020 13:40
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It's really just an inverse of that old Arthur C. Clarke line, saying that magic and ether and all that is just a form of energy and/or matter that hasn't been sufficiently analyzed.
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I mean I feel like that's sorta where Zimmy's going. Science is just working out how the works. Defining poo poo that absolutely exists as nonscientific magic just because it breaks all the rules and you can't directly observe it is kind of horseshit. But it makes sense that magic people would go along with it when their main exposure to science is The Courts science cult.
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Feb 5, 2020 14:56
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This could go a couple of ways. One not terrible way would be that she's saying that the court shoves a lot of observable, testable, repeatable phenomena into the category of "eh, it's magic" instead of properly scienceing at it, which is legitimately bad science. The use of Isaac Newton in that category of scientist is a bad fit because it implies he was a bad scientist, and also because he was super religious and believed the heck out of things he couldn't see.
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Feb 5, 2020 15:10
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Have we seen a Court adult, even once, refer to magic?
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Potato Salad posted:Have we seen a Court adult, even once, refer to magic? Anja explains the Court position. With further explanation here. The Court views "magic" as etheric science, a legitimate pursuit. But rejects technology that doesn't have an explanation. The way it shakes out to me is that there is a clear gap between what can be explained through traditional science and how the ether works, and while the latter can be studied it can't be - or at least hasn't been - reduced to a pure rational theory. Tenebrais fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Tenebrais posted:Anja explain's the Court position. With further explanation here. Holy crap the second link! Last three panels is Kat deciding to become a Techno-god.
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Donkringel posted:Holy crap the second link! Last three panels is Kat deciding to become a Techno-god. Yeah that jumped out at me too, like "Oh, that was the moment when..."
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Feb 5, 2020 15:48
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Tenebrais posted:Anja explain's the Court position. With further explanation here. Even if you can't understand it theoretically, not using the ether because of that is really poor science. Real scientists take advantage of things they don't understand all the time. The comic has this really weird definition of science behind it which comes off poorly. I'd love to ask the author about it sometime.
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https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=517 If the animated series actually happens, I hope they will keep this exact dialogue in the last row here.
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There Bias Two posted:Even if you can't understand it theoretically, not using the ether because of that is really poor science. Real scientists take advantage of things they don't understand all the time. I mean I don't think it's the comic/Tom's sincere position. I think it's meant to be a bad definition and one of the things hosed up about the Court culture wise.
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Besides, for once having a story where the researchers do not mess with poo poo well beyond their ken instead of going full DOOM on it is not bad.
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Cat Mattress posted:https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=517 Same but: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=995
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Feb 5, 2020 17:17
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This, especially the last panels remains my favourite page.
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I think 'science' as it appears and is referred to in the comic has always been a distinct thing from real life science and shouldn't be mistaken for it
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Feb 5, 2020 19:40
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Also good to keep in mind that the scientist that is available for most of the history is literally unable to perceive supernatural occurences.
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She Blinded Me
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Feb 5, 2020 20:41
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Samuringa posted:Also good to keep in mind that the scientist that is available for most of the history is literally unable to perceive supernatural occurences. Honestly, the way Kat sees ether stuff kind of seems to confirm what Zimmy's saying. She tends to see things as what they do, rather than what they present themselves as. It's less that she can't see ether stuff as she forces it to be something understandable, despite its own best efforts.
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Iceclaw posted:This, especially the last panels remains my favourite page. I've just realized that Annie isn't merely being naive here; since she's been raised in a hospital, and by Tony specifically, she probably doesn't have much concept of things not being done in a very sterile way.
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Feb 5, 2020 22:35
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Iceclaw posted:Besides, for once having a story where the researchers do not mess with poo poo well beyond their ken instead of going full DOOM on it is not bad.
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"Don't worry Annie, I've been working on an invention that'll get rid of that pesky Loup!" "That's great, Kat, what is it?" "Oh it's nothing special." 
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